Do you support abortion as

[Liebling:-)))]

You said a fetus isn't human yet that part I don't agree.. It's like saying a fetus is less a human being until a fetus is fully developed and I don't agree with that either.

When I said human development doesn't mean less human being or negative but the fact interpretation like what you explained in your previous post...

Cheri's post
"When I meant what I mean is, a human being formed by a fertilization of a human egg and sperm that everything to become a human being."

 

[Cheri]

Cheri's post
"When I meant what I mean is, a human being formed by a fertilization of a human egg and sperm that everything to become a human being."

You don't even understand what I meant, You think I meant a fetus isn't human yet until it is fully development, I never said that. I was explaining why I think a fetus is a human being, because of a human egg and a sperm that everything to become a human being.. EVERYTHING..

It doesn't matter how small the fetus is, and how big the fetus is. a fetus is still a human being.

End of the discussion, I'm not going to keep going in circles. I explained it so clear, and I don't know why you're not getting it.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

This is what you said:

And I never never never never said a fetus wasn't human yet!!!!



Yeah so?? I'm asking where exactly did I say a fetus isn't human?

Repeat: this is interpretation like Definition...

Cheri's post

"When I meant what I mean is, a human being formed by a fertilization of a human egg and sperm that everything to become a human being."

This is an interpretation: Human development which mean is the human sperm and human egg are mixed and ready for implant into development (growth). Fetus is a not human being YET but human development because fetus is STILL in mother's womb.

 

[Hermes]

If you claimed that fetus is a human being... Okay, who will custody of the fetus when the parents killed by road accident? Can the fetus inherit the parents' will? Can the fetus be adopted? and go on....

Words are confusing people. Replace the fetus with baby. Lets look at it again. If there is a car accident and doctors can save unborn baby what would happen? Yes the if the baby can be kept alive he would inherit parents will. Yes he would be adopted when there is a suitable family. Now if the baby is too young to survive premature , he would die anyway and inheriting the will and adoption wouldnt be an option naturally.

If you say that both mother and fetus would have equal right to continue life... and consider abortion as a murder... Okay, Should you also consider fetus as a murder as well because the mother is unable to defend her risk life after give the birth? (life threatening) ?

No I dont think neither mother would be considered killing the baby if baby was born dead nor the baby would be considered killing the mother if mother has a complication and dies. Do you consider surgeons murderer if somebody dies at the operation table?

That's an exactly what I am try to say that fetus is a human development BECAUSE he/she still is IN mother's womb...

I just cannot beleive that some pro-lifers think the word "human development" is a negative...

I am not pro anything, but, no , human development is not a negative word. Thinking about it, all kids keep developing until a certain age too. Development starts in the womb and doesnt end for a long time. There is nothing negative about it. Just keep in mind development process is not limited to being in mothers body.

Perhaps you are looking for the word "embryo", but then it doesnt cover the later stages in a way you want to use human development. I dont think anybody claims an embryo is a developed human being at that stage.
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[Liebling:-)))]

You don't even understand what I meant, You think I meant a fetus isn't human yet until it is fully development, I never said that. I was explaining why I think a fetus is a human being, because of a human egg and a sperm that everything to become a human being.. EVERYTHING.. Get it better now?

Is "human development" a negative word or what?

I do not need to write a long like what you wrote here... but use short "human development" mean is human eggs and sperm............................... as an interpretation...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

You said discuss the early stage but if you want to look into late stages: What is the difference between a baby two weeks before he was born and two weeks after he was born? There are premature born babies at their 7-8th month, are they not human beings? Giving them different names for making ourselves feel better just turns into words game.

The actual fact is its just going to be the same baby if he was born earlier. It all depends on at which stage of its development, it doesnt depend on if the baby is in mothers body or in Neonatal Intensive Care Unit. Once the fetus becomes a baby, it is a baby in or out of her mothers body.

Now you dont have to consider them as human beings. Some people doesnt consider other adults as humans because they dont fit their criteria. So, unfortunately, what is human is a very subjective topic on the planet we live. One would think everybody would agreed on the same thing since we all are human right ?

Well, a fetus consider as an infant, a newborn or a baby as a human being, no matter either earlier than 9 months IF fetus is out of mother's womb.

Yes, I use the word "my baby" during 2 pregnancies with no thinking "fetus" or "human being".... just my baby... but we know the fact that the word of "fetus" in the mother's womb is correct. A fetus is a human development growth in mother's womb until fetus is out of mother's womb as a human being... and then infant, newborn or baby as a human being growth development to adult.... How could we compare a fetus with a infant, newborn, baby because fetus is in mother's womb and infant, newborn or baby is outside of mother's womb?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

You don't even understand what I meant, You think I meant a fetus isn't human yet until it is fully development, I never said that. I was explaining why I think a fetus is a human being, because of a human egg and a sperm that everything to become a human being.. EVERYTHING..

It doesn't matter how small the fetus is, and how big the fetus is. a fetus is still a human being.

End of the discussion, I'm not going to keep going in circles. I explained it so clear, and I don't know why you're not getting it.

*sigh*

Of course we know that egg and sperm is from human being. We human being man and woman create it... to make embros to fetus........ is human development

 

[Cheri]

Is "human development" a negative word or what?

Why would I think it's a negative term? It's part of a life changing cycle, just how we change over the years.

I think you just don't know the definition of life. Sperm and eggs makes a life of a human being. it doesn't matter if the fetus isn't fully growth, human life does begin at the moment of conception.

But, Scientists don't think so and I do not accepted the scientific consensus, because Scientist were not satisfacted how life begins even if the fetus has a DNA, a DNA of a human, just because a fetus isn't fully growth it doesn't make a fetus as being non-human. I go by biological facts, not science facts. You can go by science facts if that helps you sleep at night.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Words are confusing people. Replace the fetus with baby.

A fetus = in mother's womb.
A baby = outside of mother's womb.

Is it not hard to convince?

Lets look at it again. If there is a car accident and doctors can save unborn baby what would happen? Yes the if the baby can be kept alive he would inherit parents will. Yes he would be adopted when there is a suitable family. Now if the baby is too young to survive premature , he would die anyway and inheriting the will and adoption wouldnt be an option naturally.

Actually but it's not always.

No I dont think neither mother would be considered killing the baby if baby was born dead nor the baby would be considered killing the mother if mother has a complication and dies. Do you consider surgeons murderer if somebody dies at the operation table?

Well, some pro-lifers DID accuse/said the mothers as a murder if they choose to save their risk life over a fetus. If the mother force to carry a fetus to full time then end her life... would they also consider a fetus as a murder because it kill mother... ?

I am not pro anything, but, no , human development is not a negative word. Thinking about it, all kids keep developing until a certain age too. Development starts in the womb and doesnt end for a long time. There is nothing negative about it. Just keep in mind development process is not limited to being in mothers body.

Perhaps you are looking for the word "embryo", but then it doesnt cover the later stages in a way you want to use human development. I dont think anybody claims an embryo is a developed human being at that stage.

... some posters make me wondering either the word "human development" is a negative or not.

Yes, fetus is not human being yet because it's not fully development like infant, newborn and baby. I call it as a human development, no matter either fetus in mother's womb or infant to adult... This is a human development growth.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Why would I think it's a negative term? It's part of a life changing cycle, just how we change over the years.

I think you just don't know the definition of life. Sperm and eggs makes a life of a human being. it doesn't matter if the fetus isn't fully growth, human life does begin at the moment of conception.

But, Scientists don't think so and I do not accepted the scientific consensus, because Scientist were not satisfacted how life begins even if the fetus has a DNA, a DNA of a human, just because a fetus isn't fully growth it doesn't make a fetus as being non-human. I go by biological facts, not science facts. You can go by science facts if that helps you sleep at night.

I said human development, not non-human because a fetus is not create by an animal or whatever. We ALL know that a fetus are being create by human being's egg and sperm.

A fetus is not fully development like infant yet. I cannot understand why you compare fetus with infant as a human being when infant is full development and fetus is not fully development yet...

You and I interpreted the same... Yes, sperm and eggs are being create by human being that's why I said HUMAN development.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

fetus

Definition:

unborn offspring: an unborn vertebrate at a stage when all the structural features of the adult are recognizable, especially an unborn human offspring after eight weeks of development


fetus definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta

No word about "human being"... but human development


embryo

Definition:

1. human offspring in initial developmental stage: a human offspring in the early stages following conception up to the end of the eighth week, after which it is classified as a fetus


2. animal in initial developmental stage: the developing young of an animal from the earliest stages after conception up to birth or hatching


3. plant in initial developmental stage: a plant in its earliest stages of development. In seed-bearing plants, the embryo is contained within the seed.


4. early form of something: an early form or rudimentary stage of something
the embryo of an exciting new invention


[14th century. Via Latin< Greek embruon< bruein "swell, grow"]


Again, no word about human being but human development...


human being

Definition:

1. member of human species: a member of the species to which men and women belong. Latin name Homo sapiens.


2. person: a person, viewed especially as having imperfections and weaknesses

I'm a human being, not a machine.

human being definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta


There're no word about fetus or embryo as a human being.

Infant

Definition:

1. baby: a very young child that can neither walk nor talk


2. legal minor: a young person legally considered a minor


adjective

Definition:

just beginning: in an early stage of development


[14th century. Via French< Latin infant- "not speaking" < fari "speak"]


infant or baby is human being which is different as a fetus or embryo.

infant definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta

 

[Hermes]

A fetus = in mother's womb.
A baby = outside of mother's womb.

Is it not hard to convince?

No , there wouldnt be any problem if people didnt use the word fetus for hiding from the truth. You call all stages fetus but an embryo is very different than a fetus who was about to born.

Well, some pro-lifers DID accuse/said the mothers as a murder if they choose to save their risk life over a fetus. If the mother force to carry a fetus to full time then end her life... would they also consider a fetus as a murder because it kill mother... ?

You can sacrifice his life for saving yours , but come to think about it you can also do it even after he was born. If there is fire and you run out of the house for saving yourself without picking up your kid, are you murdering him? No. If you want to do it, do it. Sacrifiying another life in order to save yours is same either its a fetus or a kid or your husband. Some people choose their life, some choose their loved ones over their own..

... some posters make me wondering either the word "human development" is a negative or not.

Yes, fetus is not human being yet because it's not fully development like infant, newborn and baby. I call it as a human development, no matter either fetus in mother's womb or infant to adult... This is a human development growth.

You also said "A fetus is not fully development like infant yet. I cannot understand why you compare fetus with infant as a human being when infant is full development and fetus is not fully development yet..."

There is no difference between a 8 months old fetus and 1 months old infant. The only difference is their size. Baby keeps growing in the mother, but he keeps growing when he is out of the mother too. Thats being said you are still calling 8 months old fetus because he is still inside. I know they do not abort 8 months old fetus , but I am pointing you how we hide behind the words for feeling ourselves better. Today there are fetuses born premature as early as 23 weeks. They can be kept alive. So they are actually babies, they just need to grow further and become stronger in order to survive out of care. If baby is 23 weeks old in mothers womb you see it as a fetus, and consider not fully developed to be an infant. If he was born premature, you consider it as a baby and cherish him. They are the same thing. Words and definitions do not make them two different realities. So use any word you want to but know whats really there in real , physical world.

Thats being said if you want to act based on definations, there is all kind of them exist on this earth. I can give you text definations which doesnt consider dark skinned people human. Claims they are not mentally developed enough to be treated like humans. Should we act on it? No, we look at them, we see them they are as human as any other person, we ignore such definition only reflects its writers point of view which protects his own agenda and we act on reality.

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[Cheri]

Hermes

 

[Tousi]

At some point in this discussion, y'all are going to have to face what the law says regarding all this. Key word: Viability

 

[Cheri]

I cannot understand why you compare fetus with infant as a human being when infant is full development and fetus is not fully development yet...

Because it doesn't make no differences, an infant goes through the same human life cycle stage, the way a fetus would go through, An newborn's eyes cannot yet fully focus at close range- does that make a newborn less of a human being? when they are infants they learned how to use their body, how to express their emotions, they're still developing.

It doesn't mean after the birth of a baby-- the development is completed--they have a long way to go.

 

[webexplorer]

We buy chicken eggs at a food store. We make some scrambled eggs for a breakfast. I think that you understand this one. It could be gross, but it is our food. It's hard... but it is not a good example, however, it is the same ideal.

 

[Byrdie714]

Maybe to you, not to me. That's what makes our opinions different. It's a stupid question to me. We all know that a fetus doesn't have a voice, that's where Pro-lifers step in, we are the voice to the fetus.

Actually the fetus conveys messages to the host. It may not be, "Yo Momma, lay off the hot chili bean burrito."

Yet it does tell the host when to use the bathroom, when it's discomforted, uncomfortable, etc, etc.

The parasite can also aborted itself from the main host and vice versa in terms of miscarriage. Natural abortion.

 

[Byrdie714]

There is no difference between a 8 months old fetus and 1 months old infant. The only difference is their size. Baby keeps growing in the mother, but he keeps growing when he is out of the mother too. Thats being said you are still calling 8 months old fetus because he is still inside. I know they do not abort 8 months old fetus , but I am pointing you how we hide behind the words for feeling ourselves better. Today there are fetuses born premature as early as 23 weeks. They can be kept alive. So they are actually babies, they just need to grow further and become stronger in order to survive out of care. If baby is 23 weeks old in mothers womb you see it as a fetus, and consider not fully developed to be an infant. If he was born premature, you consider it as a baby and cherish him. They are the same thing. Words and definitions do not make them two different realities. So use any word you want to but know whats really there in real , physical world. -

Yes there is.

The 8 month old fetus is a parasite.

One month old infant that is independent from the host is a human being.


I find it interesting that people allow emotion to dictate this debate. If this is important to outlaw abortion, why don't you all that are pro-lifers--adopt these children?

Simple you can't.

 

[Cheri]

I find it interesting that people allow emotion to dictate this debate. If this is important to outlaw abortion, why don't you all that are pro-lifers--adopt these children?

Simple you can't.

Did we say anything about outlaw abortion? Isn't this an abortion thread? we are just debating. It seems to me that our answers are pissing pro-choicers off.

It's very simple, don't created no more abortion threads, then you wouldn't have to deal with Pro-lifers.

 

[Jiro]

Did we say anything about outlaw abortion? Isn't this an abortion thread? we are just debating. It seems to me that our answers are pissing pro-choicers off.

It's very simple, don't created no more abortion threads, then you wouldn't have to deal with Pro-lifers.

ha ha ha ha