Do you support abortion as

[Liebling:-)))]

Originally Posted by KarissaMann05
Whoa whoa I never said souls or spirits... I didn't bring it up religions...

Right, I never said that either and I don't know why some people intend to make things up.

We have no reason to make things up but the fact they did mentioned souls or spirits in their posts here and Dreama´s thread last week to few days ago.

All I have said was a fetus is a human being...

Yes I know you said a fetus is a human being yesterday.

where the heck did I say soul or spirit?

Nobody accused you for say this but we know someone´s view over fetus´s soul or spirits here and Dreama´s thread last week to few days ago.

When I meant what I mean is, a human being formed by a fertilization of a human egg and sperm that everything to become a human being.

This is an interpretation: Human development. You should agree with me yesterday. *shrug*

Just because a fetus isn't fully development it doesn't make it less a human being.

No, we are not saying that human development doesn´t make less a human being but correct word... human development like what you interpreted how a human develop by a fertilization of human egg and sperm.... is HUMAN DEVELOPMENT.

We were all babies once, we were all toddlers once, we were all teens once, we are now an adult. That's the stage of the human life cycle, we change, it's the same as a fetus--The human life cycle begins at fertilization.

Yes, you should agree with me yesterday... Yes, that´s human development into human being.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Definitely agreed! I just like I said, a stage of human development has labels for growth, from fertilization to the death of human being at old age.

Exactly human development, that´s what I said yesterday.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Pro-lifers have the right to be against abortion, believe that the fetus has a soul or spirit, that it can feel pain, and choose not to get an abortion for themselves. Only thing pro-lifers cant do is to impose their beliefs about this issue on everyone else. Simple as that.

Yes, that´s right.

 

[Byrdie714]

another thing that puzzles me... when it comes to deciding on abortion - did a fetus tell you that he/she wants to live? ever consider that he/she does not want to live with incapacitating disability? You automatically assume all fetus have rights and want to live so you listen to their "request".... but when the fetus becomes a young child - you ignore his/her rights and requests because you are in charge and you get to dictate everything for him/her.

Strange.... I am deeply mystified at such reasoning...

If you are going to ask a stupid question, you'll as well will get a stupid question too, Does a living baby tell you that he/she wants to live when a baby is being abuse?

It is a valid question....

 

[Byrdie714]

We were all babies once, we were all toddlers once, we were all teens once, we are now an adult. That's the stage of the human life cycle, we change, it's the same as a fetus--The human life cycle begins at fertilization.

Good point and good argument.

 

[KarissaMann05]

Exactly human development, that´s what I said yesterday.

Did you? I might miss something.


EDIT: No, you never said that. Take a look, here.

Originally Posted by Liebling))
No, fetus in a womb is a human development, not human being until 9 months then get out of womb as a human being. A living child is a human being.

We actually said a fetus is a human being while the fetus is developed and grow of the human development. That's our pro-life POVs.

I meant, if a fetus is not a human or person, then what is it?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Did you? I might miss something.


EDIT: No, you never said that. Take a look, here.

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We actually said a fetus is a human being while the fetus is developed and grow of the human development. That's our pro-life POVs.

I meant, if a fetus is not a human or person, then what is it?

What I stand is correction. Fetus in womb is HUMAN DEVELOPMENT, not human being YET until Fetus is out of womb to the world as HUMAN BEING. It´s an exactly what you and Cheri interpreted in previous posts is human development growth!!!!!!, not human being yet..

 

[KarissaMann05]

What I stand is correction. Fetus in womb is HUMAN DEVELOPMENT, not human being YET until Fetus is out of womb to the world as HUMAN BEING. It´s an exactly what you and Cheri interpreted in previous posts is human development growth!!!!!!, not human being yet..

No, I don't say that.

I said a fetus is a human being and I believed a fetus is a part of human development. ^_^;;

 

[shel90]

We have no reason to make things up but the fact they did mentioned souls or spirits in their posts here and Dreama´s thread last week to few days ago.



Yes I know you said a fetus is a human being yesterday.



Nobody accused you for say this but we know someone´s view over fetus´s soul or spirits here and Dreama´s thread last week to few days ago.




This is an interpretation: Human development. You should agree with me yesterday. *shrug*



No, we are not saying that human development doesn´t make less a human being but correct word... human development like what you interpreted how a human develop by a fertilization of human egg and sperm.... is HUMAN DEVELOPMENT.



Yes, you should agree with me yesterday... Yes, that´s human development into human being.

Right, nobody is accusing anyone of anything..sometimes people make general statements which arent targeted at anyone here. I think that's where a lot of misunderstanding stem from.


Point is, there are always going to be different views on abortion and nobody can change each other's views.

Like my mom told me..three topics that SHOULD not be brought up at the dinner table...religion, abortion, and politics. She learned that from her dad so I guess there has been ongoing heated debates regarding those three topics for decades.

It just only becomes ugly when people try to impose their views on any of those 3 topics on others and that is what Palin is doing. (Sorry for offtopic).

 

[Cheri]

No, I don't say that.

I said a fetus is a human being and I believed a fetus is a part of human development. ^_^;;

Right!!

 

[Cheri]

What I stand is correction. Fetus in womb is HUMAN DEVELOPMENT, not human being YET until Fetus is out of womb to the world as HUMAN BEING. It´s an exactly what you and Cheri interpreted in previous posts is human development growth!!!!!!, not human being yet..

I have never said a fetus wasn't a human yet. please don't twisted my words around. Show me where I stated that a fetus wasn't a human yet? a fetus has a compete human DNA.. that makes a fetus HUMAN...

 

[Cheri]

We have no reason to make things up but the fact they did mentioned souls or spirits in their posts here and Dreama´s thread last week to few days ago.

If someone is gonna make a statement about Pro-lifers, that makes it all Pro-lifers.

Nobody accused you for say this but we know someone´s view over fetus´s soul or spirits here and Dreama´s thread last week to few days ago.

Then why is Dreama's thread being discuss here? That's a whole different thread.

 

[Cheri]

It is a valid question....

Maybe to you, not to me. That's what makes our opinions different. It's a stupid question to me. We all know that a fetus doesn't have a voice, that's where Pro-lifers step in, we are the voice to the fetus.

No, we are not saying that human development doesn´t make less a human being but correct word... human development like what you interpreted how a human develop by a fertilization of human egg and sperm.... is HUMAN DEVELOPMENT.



Yes, you should agree with me yesterday... Yes, that´s human development into human being.

You said a fetus isn't human yet that part I don't agree.. It's like saying a fetus is less a human being until a fetus is fully developed and I don't agree with that either.

 

[Hermes]

What I stand is correction. Fetus in womb is HUMAN DEVELOPMENT, not human being YET until Fetus is out of womb to the world as HUMAN BEING. It´s an exactly what you and Cheri interpreted in previous posts is human development growth!!!!!!, not human being yet..

You said discuss the early stage but if you want to look into late stages: What is the difference between a baby two weeks before he was born and two weeks after he was born? There are premature born babies at their 7-8th month, are they not human beings? Giving them different names for making ourselves feel better just turns into words game. The actual fact is its just going to be the same baby if he was born earlier. It all depends on at which stage of its development, it doesnt depend on if the baby is in mothers body or in Neonatal Intensive Care Unit. Once the fetus becomes a baby, it is a baby in or out of her mothers body.

Now you dont have to consider them as human beings. Some people doesnt consider other adults as humans because they dont fit their criteria. So, unfortunately, what is human is a very subjective topic on the planet we live. One would think everybody would agreed on the same thing since we all are human right ?

 

[Cheri]

Good point and good argument.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

No, I don't say that.

I said a fetus is a human being and I believed a fetus is a part of human development. ^_^;;

Your own word.

Originally Posted by KarissaMann05
Definitely agreed! I just like I said, a stage of human development has labels for growth, from fertilization to the death of human being at old age.

Human development is an interpretation word = The human sperm and human egg are mixed and ready for implant.

If you claimed that fetus is a human being... Okay, who will custody of the fetus when the parents killed by road accident? Can the fetus inherit the parents' will? Can the fetus be adopted? and go on....

If you say that both mother and fetus would have equal right to continue life... and consider abortion as a murder... Okay, Should you also consider fetus as a murder as well because the mother is unable to defend her risk life after give the birth? (life threatening) ?


That's an exactly what I am try to say that fetus is a human development BECAUSE he/she still is IN mother's womb...



I just cannot beleive that some pro-lifers think the word "human development" is a negative...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I have never said a fetus wasn't a human yet. please don't twisted my words around. Show me where I stated that a fetus wasn't a human yet? a fetus has a compete human DNA.. that makes a fetus HUMAN...

Did I said YOU? I do not see anything that I said that you said.....

Please go back and re-read my response post # 681 to your post carefully...

Your own word..."When I meant what I mean is, a human being formed by a fertilization of a human egg and sperm that everything to become a human being."

This is an interpretation: Human development.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Right, nobody is accusing anyone of anything..sometimes people make general statements which arent targeted at anyone here. I think that's where a lot of misunderstanding stem from.


Point is, there are always going to be different views on abortion and nobody can change each other's views.

Like my mom told me..three topics that SHOULD not be brought up at the dinner table...religion, abortion, and politics. She learned that from her dad so I guess there has been ongoing heated debates regarding those three topics for decades.

It just only becomes ugly when people try to impose their views on any of those 3 topics on others and that is what Palin is doing. (Sorry for offtopic).

Yeah, the people don't understand/convince what "general" statements is about...

 

[Liebling:-)))]

If someone is gonna make a statement about Pro-lifers, that makes it all Pro-lifers.


Then why is Dreama's thread being discuss here? That's a whole different thread.

I SAID the subject "soul" and "spirits" had been brought up HERE(my thread) and DREAMA's thread at last week to few days ago.

 

[Cheri]

Did I said YOU? I do not see anything that I said that you said.....

This is what you said:

"It´s an exactly what you and Cheri interpreted in previous posts is human development growth!!!!!!, not human being yet.."

And I never never never never said a fetus wasn't human yet!!!!

Please go back and re-read my response post # 681 to your post...

Your own word...[/COLOR]

"When I meant what I mean is, a human being formed by a fertilization of a human egg and sperm that everything to become a human being."

This is an interpretation: Human development.

Yeah so?? I'm asking where exactly did I say a fetus isn't human?