Do you support abortion as

[shel90]

It's interestin' note that we don't see the same. I see that a girl don't want to save this child's life by dumping in the trash bin...hopin' to end its life. If, it is not for the town she is in, she could dump the baby in the river to end its life as well. Same thing with a vacuum thing to cut its life in mother's womb. That's a " murder " to the eye.

That's your view...myself, I do not like the idea of abortion and wouldnt get it but I know that I would never tell another woman what to do with their bodies. That makes me pro-choice and it doesnt mean that I encourage abortion for everyone nor doesnt mean I like it. It just means that I wouldnt force my beliefs on other people.

However, once a child is born, it is a separate entity...to me, murdering it is murder.

 

[Maria]

I AGREE!!! Nobody has the right to tell me what I should do with my body just like I dont have any right to tell them what to do with their bodies.

What do you mean by that ? Care to clarify that for us, the ADers ?

 

[shel90]

What do you mean by that ? Care to clarify that for us, the ADers ?

Like nobody cant tell me what I should do with my pregnancy just like I cant tell others what they should do with their pregnancies. That's why I am pro-choice.

When I got pregnant with my daughter at 24 years old, I was still a college student...I had people telling me to get abortions or not to get abortions. I told these people "Excuse me..whose body is it? Back off and do not impose your beliefs on me and on my decision on what I should do." I really resent people telling me what I should do with my own body. Just like I wouldnt tell other women what to do.

 

[Maria]

Like nobody cant tell me what I should do with my pregnancy just like I cant tell others what they should do with their pregnancies. That's why I am pro-choice.

When I got pregnant with my daughter at 24 years old, I was still a college student...I had people telling me to get abortions or not to get abortions. I told these people "Excuse me..whose body is it? Back off and do not impose your beliefs on me and on my decision on what I should do." I really resent people telling me what I should do with my own body. Just like I wouldnt tell other women what to do.

Ah, alright. Thanks for clarifying this for us. Blessed your heart for keeping your children! They are beautiful!

 

[Liza]

That's your view...myself, I do not like the idea of abortion and wouldnt get it but I know that I would never tell another woman what to do with their bodies. That makes me pro-choice and it doesnt mean that I encourage abortion for everyone nor doesnt mean I like it. It just means that I wouldnt force my beliefs on other people.

However, once a child is born, it is a separate entity...to me, murdering it is murder.

Making the choice to abort a fetus is an extremely unpleasant one, but it still has to be up to each woman. The burden is on every woman. The point of making a pro-choice law is to empower each woman. Taking that choice away disempowers each American woman.

 

[shel90]

Making the choice to abort a fetus is an extremely unpleasant one, but it still has to be up to each woman. The burden is on every woman. The point of making a pro-choice law is to empower each woman. Taking that choice away disempowers each American woman.

Right...I know some women who have had abortions and I know for them, they didnt take it lightly and still live with the burden but they knew it was the right decision for them at the time. I would never call them murderers becausee they dont need people telling them ugly things about their own personal and private decisions.

 

[shel90]

Ah, alright. Thanks for clarifying this for us. Blessed your heart for keeping your children! They are beautiful!

Thanks... Yea, I knew abortion wasnt an option for me cuz I know I do not believe in it for myself. I knew that if I did it, I would live with the burden for the rest of my life.

 

[Foxrac]

Thanks... Yea, I knew abortion wasnt an option for me cuz I know I do not believe in it for myself. I knew that if I did it, I would live with the burden for the rest of my life.

You made plan to have child or just pregnant so accidently? Just wonders.

 

[jillio]

If Roe v. Wade is overturn then we would go back to 50's, 60's and very early 70's when illegal abortions went skyrocket, that what I got experienced from my dad and overturn the law would not lessen the abortion but getting more worse, illegal abortion is more health hazard than legal abortion. I'm really doubt that law will overturn, also if overturn then more women would use pills to kill fetus or newborn, how is worse.

Exactly Pacman. We won't have fewer abortions, we will have more dead women.

 

[jillio]

http://www.dialogix.org:8080/Demos/...EB-INF/schedules/SCID-I-P.jar&DIRECTIVE=START

SCID I/P (v. 2.0) - Structured Clinical Interview for DSM-IV (Draft/Subset)
I'm going to be asking you about problems or difficulties you may have had, and I'll be making some notes as we go along. Do you have any questions before we begin?
P123 What is your sex?
P124 What's your date of birth? (e.g. 09/03/2008)
P125 How old are you?
What is your marital status?
Do you have any children?

How interesting. This is an example of a proposed Stuctured Clinical Interview for the new DSM-IV

more stuff coming later as I find it.

Quite obviously, you have no idea whatsoever of how a structured interview is done, or how the assessment tools are used. Leave it to say that you are attempting to pronounce judgement on a topic on which you have virtually not useful information, and one that is totally our of your scope.

Again, I'm going to ask that you limit these posts to the thread for which they are inteneded. You are combining topics, and it is very confusing to other posters.

 

[jillio]

Since that was DMS-IV stuff, ( which will probably be used with some revisions in the DMS-V due to be officially released in 2012, Here is a sneak preview of some new stuff actually going into the DMS-V

American Psychiatric Publishing, Inc. - Age and Gender Considerations in Psychiatric Diagnosis

Age and Gender considerations are already included in the DSM IV TR. What you have linked to is suggestions for the direction of the research to revise current information. It is not an explanation of new information being put in the 2012 edition, but a suggestion for research to contribute to current information. As I have stated several times, the 2012 issue of the DSM is not yet compiled, and research has just begun to add to the revision.

You really are far outside your scope of understanding on this, as you evidently don't even comprehend the items you are pulling off the net. If you want to have an intelligent discussion regarding such, you are going to have to take the time to actually learn something about the topic in order to discuss it. As it stands, you are simply pulling things out of the air.

And again, we are discussing abortion in this thread. Mental illness discussions are in another thread. Please keep them separate.

 

[Maria]

Exactly Pacman. We won't have fewer abortions, we will have more dead women.

Well, at least it is not a " murder ". It's a destiny that takes over woman's life. A destiny or fate is more natural than " murder ". No man on this earth can speak for its destiny or fate, if a woman should die.

 

[Tousi]

I keep seeing the words, "bond font" and "sprongs". What are those?

 

[Bottesini]

Age and Gender considerations are already included in the DSM IV TR. What you have linked to is suggestions for the direction of the research to revise current information. It is not an explanation of new information being put in the 2012 edition, but a suggestion for research to contribute to current information. As I have stated several times, the 2012 issue of the DSM is not yet compiled, and research has just begun to add to the revision.

You really are far outside your scope of understanding on this, as you evidently don't even comprehend the items you are pulling off the net. If you want to have an intelligent discussion regarding such, you are going to have to take the time to actually learn something about the topic in order to discuss it. As it stands, you are simply pulling things out of the air.

And again, we are discussing abortion in this thread. Mental illness discussions are in another thread. Please keep them separate.

In that poster, they are very obviously closely linked.

 

[jillio]

Yes. What does the unborn baby have to do with rape or incest. They shouldn't be murdered because of sins their father committed so abortion of embroyo/fetus is wrong in all cases.

Then, please justify for me the logic and humanity in forcing a woman who has already been traumatized through rape or incest to carry a preganancy to term, suffer increased stigmatization, constant reminder of the trauma, and possible complications of birth. Please justify for me the logic behind forcing additional trauma on a woman who has already suffered trauma that she will be dealing with life long. Do you truly believe that is is preferable to re-traumatize a rape or incest victim that to abort a pregnancy that hasn't even reached fetal stage, much less viability? If your answer is "yes." then I suggest that your idea of what is humane does not extend over into the inclusion of those who are have actually obtained personhood.

 

[jillio]

You are wrong there. They can do Csection to remove multiple births before the woman is ready to deliver. They just place the baby in an incubator afterwards.

Show me a link that indicates that this is actually being done. The fetus would still have to have reached the point of viability for such a procedure to be successful. It would be the same as a premature birth, which is a totally different subject.

 

[Bottesini]

I keep seeing the words, "bond font" and "sprongs". What are those?

Bond font means "bold font" Sprongs I don't understand.

 

[jillio]

Yes I would because it would cause the child even MORE PSYCOlOGICAL damage to commit murder. I wouldn't expect to keep it though. She can have a Ceserian birth at 7 or 8 months then have it put up for adoption after that.

An aborted embryo doesn't suffer psychological damage. The solution you have just stated is to increase the risk by forcing this woman not just to carry the fetus, but to increase her risk by forcing an unneccessary surgical procedure on her, and also increase the risk of problems for the fetus by inducing premature birth. So much for your humanistic views. You have just created a situation of possible harm for woman and child, rather than decreased harm in any way.

 

[fredfam1]

Age and Gender considerations are already included in the DSM IV TR. What you have linked to is suggestions for the direction of the research to revise current information. It is not an explanation of new information being put in the 2012 edition, but a suggestion for research to contribute to current information. As I have stated several times, the 2012 issue of the DSM is not yet compiled, and research has just begun to add to the revision.

You really are far outside your scope of understanding on this, as you evidently don't even comprehend the items you are pulling off the net. If you want to have an intelligent discussion regarding such, you are going to have to take the time to actually learn something about the topic in order to discuss it. As it stands, you are simply pulling things out of the air.

And again, we are discussing abortion in this thread. Mental illness discussions are in another thread. Please keep them separate.

I thought you said there was no access to the information. And I stated this was being considered. Which is what I was studying. My point is you can find information being considered for publication without having to pay for it or be on some board. And the previous post was simply to show that something that the general public doesn't normally have access to can be pulled up. And sorry about posting on the wrong area. I was having problems with the board not working correctly. That happened once when we were playing the Sleight of Hand game too. I will try to be more careful. I 'm not certain I was doing anything incorrectly and there was something odd happening when I tried to post.

 

[jillio]

That's not necessary either. If mother can't or will not care for her baby the baby can be put up for adoption so nobody need suffer a slow death. Yes, I am aware that some parents mistreat their children but that is going to carry on happening wether you permit abortion or not.

Infact legalising murder gives people the clear message that life isn't precious after all. If you are giving them the right to mistreat their baby before birth they are just as likely to mistreat it afterwards by abusing it.

FYI As I've already stated I'm pro life entirely for secular reasons. I'm infavor of people having choice to do what they want with their lives (which includes promiscuse sex, polygamy, removing body parts etc etc...) just as long as it doesn't involve killing anybody.

You keep talking about adoption. How about the many thousands of children who are already waiting to be adopted, and instead, are forced to spend their childhoods being shuttled from one foster home to another without ever having achieved security and love. How about we worry about providing for the living, breathing, suffering children that are already on this earth before we become so overly concerned with an embryo? Once you have made some effort to correct the ills suffered by the children that are alive and suffering, your argument re: using force to make women bring more children into this world will have some credibility. Until then, it is total nonsense.