Do you support abortion as

[dreama]

Before this thread gets going again, let's all keep in mind that the question is whether you support abortion remaining a legal medical procedure. It is not about whether you trust doctors, and it is not about personal experience. It is about whether you believe women should keep the right to terminate a pregnancy.

Well the answer to that would always be NO. But I can't vote since the poll is worded in such a way that suggested that abortion would be done anyway. I mean would you vote in a thread asking if you supported burgulary as legal or illigal. Since hopefully you don't support burgulary at all it would make such a poll impossible to answer. The same here. Since abortion is murder then it is obviously unethnical. I don't support late abortions at all. If the woman couldn't even be bothered to check the condom for holes and take the morning after pill if there were any, why should her life be more important then that of the baby.

In my view after the baby develops a soul after the embryo/fetus state it is will always be considered as murder to kill it.

 

[dreama]

So your answer would be "no, I don't support a woman's right to choose in any situation, including rape and incest." Is this correct?

Yes. What does the unborn baby have to do with rape or incest. They shouldn't be murdered because of sins their father committed so abortion of embroyo/fetus is wrong in all cases.

 

[dreama]

I don't get what you're saying here. You don't perform csections unless the woman is ready to deliver. Abortion wouldn't come into play in that case.

You are wrong there. They can do Csection to remove multiple births before the woman is ready to deliver. They just place the baby in an incubator afterwards.

 

[dreama]

I see. And suppose you had a beautiful baby girl who at the age of 14 was violently raped, and became pregnant as the result of thvat rape? You would force her to carry the pregnancy to term no matter how much psychological damage it caused?

Yes I would because it would cause the child even MORE PSYCOlOGICAL damage to commit murder. I wouldn't expect to keep it though. She can have a Ceserian birth at 7 or 8 months then have it put up for adoption after that.

 

[Jiro]

Yes. What does the unborn baby have to do with rape or incest. They shouldn't be murdered because of sins their father committed so abortion of embroyo/fetus is wrong in all cases.

but they are not ready to raise a child. are you in position RIGHT NOW to raise a child? there you go. Not all women would want to raise a rapist's child. Why do you want a child to be subjected to such a very negative environment? That's even worse than abortion.

 

[KarissaMann05]

Hmm... My opinion blend in my thought...

A problem is numerous and common in our society today... It always will have a tragedy to be raped, I'd aware of that... A several of my friends have been through this trauma too. Besides, I know the demons they face and it is an extreme psychologoical trauma to have a reminder in any child. Nevertheless, is really that child's life worth ending in the attempt to make another's life much easier? Maybe you may think so... but the crime was committed and the child is an effect. A child should not be the crime's second victim...

 

[dreama]

You would rather a baby to die a long, slow death rather than prevent it?

That's the greater evil and, certainly, not Christian.

That's not necessary either. If mother can't or will not care for her baby the baby can be put up for adoption so nobody need suffer a slow death. Yes, I am aware that some parents mistreat their children but that is going to carry on happening wether you permit abortion or not.

Infact legalising murder gives people the clear message that life isn't precious after all. If you are giving them the right to mistreat their baby before birth they are just as likely to mistreat it afterwards by abusing it.

FYI As I've already stated I'm pro life entirely for secular reasons. I'm infavor of people having choice to do what they want with their lives (which includes promiscuse sex, polygamy, removing body parts etc etc...) just as long as it doesn't involve killing anybody.

 

[Jiro]

but it is not a child if it's some gooey inside the belly... barely a fetus. When it comes to abortion where the fetus is fully developed, then we've got a problem.

 

[KarissaMann05]

Oh please... Not all pro-lifers are Christians. Sighs.

 

[Jiro]

I don't know why people think just giving baby up for adoption is all peachy and convenient. We both know adoption/foster system are a mess and not always an adopted child would fare well in life.

 

[KarissaMann05]

I don't know why people think just giving baby up for adoption is all peachy and convenient. We both know adoption/foster system are a mess and not always an adopted child would fare well in life.

If it is a "broken", fix it! I don't think it's really a logic where it comes up and go like this: "adoption/foster system is so horrible, we need more abortions!"

I meant, what's a kind of logic like that?

 

[Jiro]

If it is a "broken", fix it! I don't think it's really a logic where it comes up and go like this: "adoption/foster system is so horrible, we need more abortions!"

I meant, what's a kind of logic like that?

not MORE abortions but to ALLOW women to have that kind of choice. If we BAN/tightly-restrict abortions, the system would be OVERWHELMED with many babies. The system is already underfunded and overwhelmed with many abandoned/surrendered children. By banning abortions, not only that this would endanger children's life but this could cause irrevocable damages to children in long term - that is grossly irresponsible of anti-abortionists to blindly think of sanctity of life than the repercussions.

 

[KarissaMann05]

not MORE abortions but to ALLOW women to have that kind of choice. If we BAN/tightly-restrict abortions, the system would be OVERWHELMED with many babies. The system is already underfunded and overwhelmed with many abandoned/surrendered children. By banning abortions, not only that this would endanger children's life but this could cause irrevocable damages to children in long term - that is grossly irresponsible of anti-abortionists to blindly think of sanctity of life than the repercussions.

And, there are already some another optionals in a case... I don't think you get what I mean. But, never mind.

As for bond font, I'd seen common "adoption/foster system is messed up (or horrible or wacko or whatever it is)" comments on anywhere else (not only AllDeaf) and then some people tend to say "we need more abortions; a loss of humans is necessary; adoption sucks, a child should not be here; etc".

If you think there are so many sprongs, why not let people killing or eatting those bastard children so it will sovle a problem. It seems much easier, don't you think so? Some people think so...

In the note - not all pro-lifers are irresponsible...

 

[Jiro]

the keywords - child... baby... human life... that's the problem. fetus is not a child or baby. it's just a gooey little splot. It's not even fully developed yet until 8 weeks. I don't see any problem for women opting for abortion during that time period. I think it's very selfish and cruel to let all babies live if the futures are not looking good for them. Ever seen what happened to orphans/abandoned babies in other countries? Handful of them simply "disappear" into pedophile/labor rings. This happens in USA too. I don't know what's more cruel - abortion or exploitation.

 

[KarissaMann05]

the keywords - child... human life... that's the problem. fetus is not a child. It's not even fully developed yet until 8 weeks. I don't see any problem for women opting for abortion during that time period. I think it's very selfish and cruel to let all babies live if the futures are not looking good for them. Ever seen what happened to orphans/abandoned babies in other countries? Handful of them simply "disappear" into pedophile/labor rings. This happens in USA too. I don't know what's more cruel - abortion or exploitation.

Bond font - Hey! I think the same thing, too. Well, I still believe this fetus is a human being, however, I personally believe that child is not completely alive because of heart beating after four weeks of pregnancy. I know I did say a fetus is living thing... AFTER the fourth week (I guess I should edit my pervious posts in anywere else for more clear). I think it would be nice to allow a woman or girl to have an abortion less than four (or five, probably) weeks instead of three months. I also think abortionist should just suck a whole of her womb in order to make sure there is nothing inside. H/she don't have to search for a fetus, so he/she just should suck a whole of her womb.

Of course, I want to see a tool, for suck a fetus out of womb, is safe and legal.

(Don't me wrong - I'm still pro-life with a different view)

 

[Jiro]

Bond font - Hey! I think the same thing, too. Well, I still believe this fetus is a human being, however, I personally believe that child is not completely alive because of heart beating after four weeks of pregnancy. I know I did say a fetus is living thing... AFTER the fourth week (I guess I should edit my pervious posts in anywere else for more clear). I think it would be nice to allow a woman or girl to have an abortion less than four (or five, probably) weeks instead of three months. I also think abortionist should just suck a whole of her womb in order to make sure there is nothing inside. H/she don't have to search for a fetus, so he/she just should suck a whole of her womb.

Of course, I want to see a tool, for suck a fetus out of womb, is safe and legal.

(Don't me wrong - I'm still pro-life with a different view)

now we're getting clearer here. The whole complicated abortion belies on 2 separate issues (something that anti-abortionists want to combine it) - the early abortion and the late abortion. Most anti-abortionists conveniently choose to ignore the early term of pregnancy. Personally - I don't support late abortion (except for dire medical reason) because it is unethical... and a violation of Hippocratic Oath. 8 weeks is a lot of time for women to decide on the fate of her fetus inside her.

Abortion should remain legal and the government should NOT be involved in any such matter - SAME for pro-lifers. Other woman's business is NONE of their business. It's still a win-win for all. Pro-lifers can choose not to have abortion and pro-choicer can choose to have abortion or not.

 

[KarissaMann05]

now we're getting clearer here. The whole complicated abortion belies on 2 separate issues (something that anti-abortionists want to combine it) - the early abortion and the late abortion. Most anti-abortionists conveniently choose to ignore the early term of pregnancy. Personally - I don't support late abortion (except for dire medical reason) because it is unethical... and a violation of Hippocratic Oath. 8 weeks is a lot of time for women to decide on the fate of her fetus inside her.

Abortion should remain legal and the government should NOT be involved in any such matter - SAME for pro-lifers. Other woman's business is NONE of their business. It's still a win-win for all. Pro-lifers can choose not to have abortion and pro-choicer can choose to have abortion or not.

Yeah, that's why I don't trust pro-life misinformations for some same reasons. I just don't agree that is okay to end a life of fetus/child after the heart is beating, because I believe it is already living thing... Well, one main concern is a descendant of unborn child is really worries me... Oh, well.

I think it will be cool if a new and advance tools & medical potions for less than four or five weeks of prenancy at abortion clinic or at store if a future goes fly by time to time. (hint- look at the past and present. Yeah, times goes fast and change a lottt)

 

[Maria]

In your opinion its wrong. That is the whole point. Wrong is a moral judgement, and you cannot force another to comply with your moral stance. Legally, abortion is not wrong. Therefore, whether to have one is an individual decision, and each individual has the right to choose according to their own beliefs. No one is trying to change your mind about it. If you don't agree with abortion, then don't have one. You are perfectly free to believe what you will about abortion, and make your decisions based on that. But guess what? Everyone else is entitled to the same thing. You have the freedom to decide for yourself, and every other woman has the right to that same freedom.

Since you say it's in my opinion ? I didn't say it is in my opinion, it's the way I SEE it and think it is morally wrong. The word " killing " is wrong by taking a fetus' tiny life away. I am NOT trying to tell a woman or mother NOT to abort her unborn child/fetus, but I DO have the right to say that it's wrong to KILL. It's a " murder " to me by the hands of a woman/mother, not doctor's, because of its decision is made by a woman/mother who don't want to KEEP the child's life AND, if she don't want to keep this child, then she CAN give this child up for an adoption.
IF, it is about life threatening - she can give up herself and save this child's life instead. That will show love by giving this child a chance to have life. Let's not be soo selfish for one self. That word " selfish " shows not caring for fetus. The woman/mother will show " no feelings " if, not at all. If, she happens sees a child die on the street by war or murderer by shot - will she protest about this ?

Supposely, if a girl happens gives birth in the bathroom or some where and she decides not wanting to keep her child and, then DUMP this child in the trash bin... WHAT would your response be ? Are you going to disagree with that by disposing the baby in the trash bin ?

 

[shel90]

Since you say it's in my opinion ? I didn't say it is in my opinion, it's the way I SEE it and think it is morally wrong. The word " killing " is wrong by taking a fetus' tiny life away. I am NOT trying to tell a woman or mother NOT to abort her unborn child/fetus, but I DO have the right to say that it's wrong to KILL. It's a " murder " to me by the hands of a woman/mother, not doctor's, because of its decision is made by a woman/mother who don't want to KEEP the child's life AND, if she don't want to keep this child, then she CAN give this child up for an adoption.
IF, it is about life threatening - she can give up herself and save this child's life instead. That will show love by giving this child a chance to have life. Let's not be soo selfish for one self. That word " selfish " shows not caring for fetus. The woman/mother will show " no feelings " if, not at all. If, she happens sees a child die on the street by war or murderer by shot - will she protest about this ?

Supposely, if a girl happens gives birth in the bathroom or some where and she decides not wanting to keep her child and, then DUMP this child in the trash bin... WHAT would your response be ? Are you going to disagree with that by disposing the baby in the trash bin ?

That is different from abortion....

 

[Maria]

That is different from abortion....

It's interestin' note that we don't see the same. I see that a girl don't want to save this child's life by dumping in the trash bin...hopin' to end its life. If, it is not for the town she is in, she could dump the baby in the river to end its life as well. Same thing with a vacuum thing to cut its life in mother's womb. That's a " murder " to the eye.