Do you support abortion as

[fredfam1]

An aborted embryo doesn't suffer psychological damage. The solution you have just stated is to increase the risk by forcing this woman not just to carry the fetus, but to increase her risk by forcing an unneccessary surgical procedure on her, and also increase the risk of problems for the fetus by inducing premature birth. So much for your humanistic views. You have just created a situation of possible harm for woman and child, rather than decreased harm in any way.

Comprehensive Study Provides Convincing Evidence of Psychological Damage


Abortion's Deleterious Effects on Women:
Comprehensive Study Provides Convincing Evidence of Psychological Damage
BY NRL News Staff

Results of the Canterbury Health and Development Study published in the December edition of the Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry and Allied Disciplines revealed that young women who aborted were at a significantly higher risk for depression, anxiety, suicidal behaviors, and substance use disorders compared to both women who carried a pregnancy to term and those who were never pregnant. This is only the latest in a string of well-documented studies that demonstrate a link between abortion and subsequent psychological and behavioral problems.

The study was lead by pro-choice researcher, David Fergusson of the Christchurch School of Medicine & Health Sciences. As noted in the New Zealand Herald, Dr. Fergusson said there is little evidence that abortion improves mental health.

 

[jillio]

Well, at least it is not a " murder ". It's a destiny that takes over woman's life. A destiny or fate is more natural than " murder ". No man on this earth can speak for its destiny or fate, if a woman should die.

It is murder. If we take away women's right to safe abortion, and they die as a result, we have murdered them.

It is not better for a woman to die that is already living and breathing than it is for an embryo to be aborted. You obviously don't value life at all if this is your view.

 

[dreama]

but they are not ready to raise a child. are you in position RIGHT NOW to raise a child? there you go. Not all women would want to raise a rapist's child. Why do you want a child to be subjected to such a very negative environment? That's even worse than abortion.

Rape victims often feel guilty anyway. The idea of committing murder on top of that would just be too much to bear.

If I ever got raped again the last thing I'd want would be to commit murder on top of everything else. I may not actually WANT the child but I'd do my best to care for baby to the best of my ability or put baby up for adoption if that wasn't possible for any reason.

 

[shel90]

You made plan to have child or just pregnant so accidently? Just wonders.

accidently..but I was married at the time. My ex hubby and I didnt plan on having kids until we were both done with college. That's life..I still managed to finish college anyway.

 

[dreama]

the keywords - child... baby... human life... that's the problem. fetus is not a child or baby. it's just a gooey little splot. It's not even fully developed yet until 8 weeks. I don't see any problem for women opting for abortion during that time period. I think it's very selfish and cruel to let all babies live if the futures are not looking good for them. Ever seen what happened to orphans/abandoned babies in other countries? Handful of them simply "disappear" into pedophile/labor rings. This happens in USA too. I don't know what's more cruel - abortion or exploitation.

You are wrong there.

Zyote: A colection of cells that have just been formed. Maybe what you pro abortion people call "a gooey little splot". You don't usually abort at this stage because most mothers don't even know that they are pregnant at that stage. Most Zyote's are killed by certain types of contracptions.

Embroyo: The baby just about starts taking a form. Although not quite developed into a human form yet. I won't pretend to know how much a baby feels at this stage of development and I don't think anyone else does either.

Fetus: A fully formed human being. Some premature babies are born from the age of 22 weeks. They just have to spend the first few months of their life in an incubator. But they have the pertential to survive. So therefore killing them at that age is much like killing a new born.

In britain you can murder your baby up until the age of 24 weeks. About 30 weeks if the baby is born is disabled. Do you think that's right, because I certainly don't!

 

[Banjo]

In britain you can murder your baby up until the age of 24 weeks. About 30 weeks if the baby is born is disabled. Do you think that's right, because I certainly don't!

Here in Canada, you can abort right up until the day of birth. Disturbing, I know.

 

[jillio]

the keywords - child... baby... human life... that's the problem. fetus is not a child or baby. it's just a gooey little splot. It's not even fully developed yet until 8 weeks. I don't see any problem for women opting for abortion during that time period. I think it's very selfish and cruel to let all babies live if the futures are not looking good for them. Ever seen what happened to orphans/abandoned babies in other countries? Handful of them simply "disappear" into pedophile/labor rings. This happens in USA too. I don't know what's more cruel - abortion or exploitation.

Eight weeks is when it moves from the embryonic stage to the fetal stage. Development continues throughout the entire 9 months of gestation. Even a prematurely born baby that can survive outside the womb with heroic medical intervention has not completely developed. It is not a baby until it has been born.

 

[jillio]

Here in Canada, you can abort right up until the day of birth. Disturbing, I know.

In that case, it is no longer an abortion, but an induced labor.

 

[Banjo]

In that case, it is no longer an abortion, but an induced labor.

I'm talking about partial-birth abortion. The baby is always killed.

 

[dreama]

That's your view...myself, I do not like the idea of abortion and wouldnt get it but I know that I would never tell another woman what to do with their bodies. That makes me pro-choice and it doesnt mean that I encourage abortion for everyone nor doesnt mean I like it. It just means that I wouldnt force my beliefs on other people.

However, once a child is born, it is a separate entity...to me, murdering it is murder.

But a premature baby can survive in an incubater as young as 22 weeks. It's legal to abort a baby FOR AMY REASON up to the age of 24 weeks or older if the child is or suspected of being disabled in any way including downs syndrome, deafness, or even cleft lip.

 

[Banjo]

But a premature baby can survive in an incubater as young as 22 weeks. It's legal to abort a baby FOR AMY REASON up to the age of 24 weeks or older if the child is or suspected of being disabled in any way including downs syndrome, deafness, or even cleft lip.

Yes, one of my nieces was born 7-8 weeks early. She had to be put into an incubator. She is doing pretty great right now though. She was due in July, but was born in May.

She was sent home within 5 weeks since she was doing great. She could had been sent home earlier, but the hospital policy prevented it from happening.

 

[jillio]

Comprehensive Study Provides Convincing Evidence of Psychological Damage


Abortion's Deleterious Effects on Women:
Comprehensive Study Provides Convincing Evidence of Psychological Damage
BY NRL News Staff

Results of the Canterbury Health and Development Study published in the December edition of the Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry and Allied Disciplines revealed that young women who aborted were at a significantly higher risk for depression, anxiety, suicidal behaviors, and substance use disorders compared to both women who carried a pregnancy to term and those who were never pregnant. This is only the latest in a string of well-documented studies that demonstrate a link between abortion and subsequent psychological and behavioral problems.

The study was lead by pro-choice researcher, David Fergusson of the Christchurch School of Medicine & Health Sciences. As noted in the New Zealand Herald, Dr. Fergusson said there is little evidence that abortion improves mental health.

Compared to those who were never pregnant? Come on. Of course the results will be different. They weren't subjected to the stressors. And those who carried a preganancy to term? Again, circumstances regarding the pregnancy were no doubt different. And research by a pro-life advocate. Extreme bias. Christchurch School? What does that tell you. Again, bringing religious values in to discuss a legal concept is fallicious. We are taqlking about the legality and constituionality of a medical procedure being a choice make by the individual. Religious values don't enter into it.

And, I stand by my original statement....an aborted fetus does not suffer psychological damage.

 

[jillio]

Rape victims often feel guilty anyway. The idea of committing murder on top of that would just be too much to bear.

If I ever got raped again the last thing I'd want would be to commit murder on top of everything else. I may not actually WANT the child but I'd do my best to care for baby to the best of my ability or put baby up for adoption if that wasn't possible for any reason.

Quite obviously, you know nothing of the psychodynamics of rape victims. I work with them on a daily basis, and can tell you that you are making assumptions that are decidedly in error.

 

[jillio]

But a premature baby can survive in an incubater as young as 22 weeks. It's legal to abort a baby FOR AMY REASON up to the age of 24 weeks or older if the child is or suspected of being disabled in any way including downs syndrome, deafness, or even cleft lip.

It can survive. How much damage is done in the process? Survival is not always the preference. And we are discussing elective abortion, which only extends to 12 weeks in gestation. Keeping a prematurely born fetus alive using heroic measures is not the same as a full gestational age baby being given birth to.

 

[jillio]

I'm talking about partial-birth abortion. The baby is always killed.

Partial birth abortion is illegal in the U.S., and it never extends into the point of vialbility.

 

[Banjo]

Partial birth abortion is illegal in the U.S., and it never extends into the point of vialbility.

I'm aware of that, President Bush signed off on that one.

However, it is not illegal here in Canada.

 

[dreama]

Then, please justify for me the logic and humanity in forcing a woman who has already been traumatized through rape or incest to carry a preganancy to term, suffer increased stigmatization, constant reminder of the trauma, and possible complications of birth. Please justify for me the logic behind forcing additional trauma on a woman who has already suffered trauma that she will be dealing with life long. Do you truly believe that is is preferable to re-traumatize a rape or incest victim that to abort a pregnancy that hasn't even reached fetal stage, much less viability? If your answer is "yes." then I suggest that your idea of what is humane does not extend over into the inclusion of those who are have actually obtained personhood.

As a rape victim myself I was ALREADY made to feel very guilty about what happened to me. How do you think I would have felt if I'd murdered the baby as well. That's what I would consider traumatic. After being raped carrying a baby to term then having adupted is no big deal.

Murdering my baby would just have pushed me right over the edge.

 

[jillio]

You are wrong there.

Zyote: A colection of cells that have just been formed. Maybe what you pro abortion people call "a gooey little splot". You don't usually abort at this stage because most mothers don't even know that they are pregnant at that stage. Most Zyote's are killed by certain types of contracptions.

Embroyo: The baby just about starts taking a form. Although not quite developed into a human form yet. I won't pretend to know how much a baby feels at this stage of development and I don't think anyone else does either.

Fetus: A fully formed human being. Some premature babies are born from the age of 22 weeks. They just have to spend the first few months of their life in an incubator. But they have the pertential to survive. So therefore killing them at that age is much like killing a new born.

Preganacy can be detected at the zygote stage. Contraception does not "kill" a zygote.
In britain you can murder your baby up until the age of 24 weeks. About 30 weeks if the baby is born is disabled. Do you think that's right, because I certainly don't!

Preganacy can be detected at the zygote stage. Contraception does not "kill" a zygote.

Again, you are using a legal term "murder" that does not apply legally to the concept of abortion. And there are restrictions, even in Great Britain, on the criteria that must be met for an abortion to be performed outside of the first trimester.

And the key word you have used is "potential". Potential to survive in no way equates to survival.

 

[jillio]

I'm aware of that, President Bush signed off on that one.

However, it is not illegal here in Canada.

True. But we are also discussing the impact of Roe V Wade. Likewise, there are restrictions on the use of partial birth abortions. They are not elective procedures, in the same way that a first trimester abortion is an elective procedure. The whole point is, abortion is a medical procedure, and the government, or the anti-choice faction, has no right to interfere in the decisions made regarding medical treatment between a woman and her physician.

 

[jillio]

As a rape victim myself I was ALREADY made to feel very guilty about what happened to me. How do you think I would have felt if I'd murdered the baby as well. That's what I would consider traumatic. After being raped carrying a baby to term then having adupted is no big deal.

Murdering my baby would just have pushed me right over the edge.

I don't know how you would have felt, and neither do you, as you never were forced to experience that. And the decision you would have made for yourself is fine, as long as you are making it for yourself and not attempting to dictate to another what they must or must not do in the same situation. You are loosing sight of the fact that you do not have the right to force your morality on anyone else. We all have the freedom to decide for outselves.

Would you want someone forcing you to subscribe to their particular religious views and not allow you to decide for yourself what beliefs you choose? It is the same thing.