Do you support abortion as

[jillio]

Actually she asked the two lawyers to help her find a place she could legally obtain an abortion. She said they would not do that because they wanted her to be pregnant during the trial. Is that looking after her best interests? Or do you think the end justifies the means?

That makes absolutely no sense. They would not help her locate a doctor to do a legal abortion, but she could have easily located one herself, as at that time, abortion was a state decided issue.

In addition, the statement that "they wanted her to be pregnant during the rial" is absurd. There is no trial until a lawsuit has been filed. The lawyers certainly could not file a lawsuit on her behalf without her knowledge and participation. She either went in looking for a lawsuit or she didn't. Can't have it both ways. If she wasn't requesting a lawsuit, then there would have been no mention of a trial. If all she wanted was assistance in finding a doctor, go to a medical facility.

Sounds more like a woman that "got reborn" and is now trying to blame others for the decisions that she made, but doesn't want to take responsibility for.

And all of that still has no bearing on the constitutionality of the law, or of the attempt to use a moral, religious basis to influence it.

Give me something other than hearsay to support the position that constitutional law should be reversed based on a religious belief.

 

[jillio]

You don't have to be on an advisary board to read comments by people on the advisory board or to read comments by contributing authors.

CONCLUSIONS

The DSM-V research agenda is ambitious and will embrace the whole of the present classification. The somatoform disorders section was introduced as being speculative, has been much criticized, and lacks a substantial evidence base. It has, however, become a major focus of consultation-liaison psychiatry. It refers to clinical problems in which there is an interaction of physiology, pathology, and psychological factors, factors for which consultation-liaison psychiatrists are arguably better placed to understand than any of their colleagues. We call for further research and debate about our basic concepts and terminology and also for active involvement in the political process that is the inevitable and fundamental part of revising a classification. We should at least contemplate the more radical solutions, such as abolition, even if in the end we opt for caution. At the same time, we need to much more effectively assert our clinical expertise. This should depend on saying and demonstrating what we can do rather than clinging to a terminology and classification that we ourselves know to be unsatisfactory, poorly understood by others, and unlikely to be acceptable to our patients.

We suggest that consultation-liaison psychiatrists should set out the ways in which the program for DSM-V might most usefully deal with a major developing area of their clinical expertise. Whether the outcome is major revision of the present category or abolition, this is an opportunity for fundamental discussion and further research. It is an opportunity to try and ensure that the issues that are not well understood within psychiatry, or in medicine as a whole, are given the attention they deserve. We hope that Psychosomatics will be a major forum for the debate.

The bolded are the goals of any revision, and the very reason that the DSM is periodically updated and revised. This is a good thing, not a bad thing.

Also, please, please cite your source. I would also like confirmation that the individual writing this position statement is actually on the advisory committee.

Your reference also states that, in relation to the Somatoform Disorders, psychiatry is best equipped to understand and deal with these disorders, a point that you have disputed, but is supported right here in your own post.

 

[fredfam1]

Gee perhaps I read the interview wrong. I'll go back and reread it. It was her own words after all. Why don't you try reading it? Or does a persons own testimony about a pivotal legal decision in this country, not interest you?

That makes absolutely no sense. They would not help her locate a doctor to do a legal abortion, but she could have easily located one herself, as at that time, abortion was a state decided issue.

In addition, the statement that "they wanted her to be pregnant during the rial" is absurd. There is no trial until a lawsuit has been filed. The lawyers certainly could not file a lawsuit on her behalf without her knowledge and participation. She either went in looking for a lawsuit or she didn't. Can't have it both ways. If she wasn't requesting a lawsuit, then there would have been no mention of a trial. If all she wanted was assistance in finding a doctor, go to a medical facility.

Sounds more like a woman that "got reborn" and is now trying to blame others for the decisions that she made, but doesn't want to take responsibility for.


And all of that still has no bearing on the constitutionality of the law, or of the attempt to use a moral, religious basis to influence it.

Give me something other than hearsay to support the position that constitutional law should be reversed based on a religious belief.

 

[jillio]

So are you blame me for that, just because what I believe, huh?

Well... there are very rare that pro-lifers, like I do, who not favor illegal abortion. So I don't support abortion as illegal or legal. I don't care if you call me pro-choice cos you want me to be.

So if you really don't care about unborn sprongs, then you don't have any feeling for those descendants of little unborn trolls too. =/

I don't blame you for anything.

What do trolls and sprongs have to do with constitutional law?

 

[fredfam1]

The bolded are the goals of any revision, and the very reason that the DSM is periodically updated and revised. This is a good thing, not a bad thing.

Also, please, please cite your source. I would also like confirmation that the individual writing this position statement is actually on the advisory committee.

Your reference also states that, in relation to the Somatoform Disorders, psychiatry is best equipped to understand and deal with these disorders, a point that you have disputed, but is supported right here in your own post.

Yes I dispute it in certain circumstances. I said I read the article, not that I agreed with it. I don't just listen to the choir. I do try to look at all sides of an issue.

 

[jillio]

Gee perhaps I read the interview wrong. I'll go back and reread it. It was her own words after all. Why don't you try reading it? Or does a persons own testimony about a pivotal legal decision in this country, not interest you?

I did read it. And her recant statement has nothing to do with the consitutionality of the law that provides choice to each and every woman within the U.S.

So she changed her mind. Doesn't have anything to do with anything, but is nothing more than the anti-choice factions attempt to argue a legal issue on emotion.

 

[jillio]

Yes I dispute it in certain circumstances. I said I read the article, not that I agreed with it. I don't just listen to the choir. I do try to look at all sides of an issue.

Citation, please. If you are truly interested in looking at all sides of an issue, you will stop trying to play one emotional side of an issue, and look at it from all sides. Likewise, if you are interested in learning more about DSM diagnosis, you will stop pulling random, uncited position papers from unknown sources, and actually read the manual.

Liewise, no clinician relies on the DSM IV TR as a sole diagnostic tool, but as an adjunct to numerous texts and assessments.

If you want to discuss psychiatric diagnosis, I suggest you go back to the thread where the discussion took place. I believe there are still several unanswered questions there.

 

[fredfam1]

Citation, please. If you are truly interested in looking at all sides of an issue, you will stop trying to play one emotional side of an issue, and look at it from all sides. Likewise, if you are interested in learning more about DSM diagnosis, you will stop pulling random, uncited position papers from unknown sources, and actually read the manual.

I am actually reading the manual. Its not a comic book you know. It will take a little while. Why comment untill I've at least gotten a feel for the overall thing?

 

[jillio]

I am actually reading the manual. Its not a comic book you know. It will take a little while. Why comment untill I've at least gotten a feel for the overall thing?

Because you felt the need to comment before you even had a basic understanding. And you will also need to have a basic understanding of the numerous assessments and other texts that are used in conjunction with the DSM to have a complete grasp of the topic.

But, as I stated, if you wish to discuss psychiatric diagnosis, please return to the thread devoted to such. We can continue the discussion there.

And, I still need the citation for your previous post. When you copy and paste from an article on the internet, it is a simple matter to copy and paste the link while you are at it. In fact, it is a requirement of this forum.

 

[fredfam1]

Because you felt the need to comment before you even had a basic understanding. And you will also need to have a basic understanding of the numerous assessments and other texts that are used in conjunction with the DSM to have a complete grasp of the topic.

But, as I stated, if you wish to discuss psychiatric diagnosis, please return to the thread devoted to such. We can continue the discussion there.

And, I still need the citation for your previous post. When you copy and paste from an article on the internet, it is a simple matter to copy and paste the link while you are at it. In fact, it is a requirement of this forum.

OK, that I did not know. Now is there a way to post the link and make a copy of what I want to post, with out having to bookmark everything each time? Reba, you helped me before with doing the quotes thing. How about this?

 

[jillio]

OK, that I did not know. Now is there a way to post the link and make a copy of what I want to post, with out having to bookmark everything each time? Reba, you helped me before with doing the quotes thing. How about this?

For the time being, just go back to where ever you pulled the opinion paper, and copy and paste the link from your browser here.

 

[Bottesini]

NIMH · Borderline Personality Disorder


Borderline Personality Disorder
A woman looking at her distorted reflection.
Raising questions, finding answers

Borderline personality disorder (BPD) is a serious mental illness characterized by pervasive instability in moods, interpersonal relationships, self-image, and behavior. This instability often disrupts family and work life, long-term planning, and the individual's sense of self-identity. Originally thought to be at the "borderline" of psychosis, people with BPD suffer from a disorder of emotion regulation. While less well known than schizophrenia or bipolar disorder (manic-depressive illness), BPD is more common, affecting 2 percent of adults, mostly young women.1 There is a high rate of self-injury without suicide intent, as well as a significant rate of suicide attempts and completed suicide in severe cases.2,3 Patients often need extensive mental health services, and account for 20 percent of psychiatric hospitalizations.4 Yet, with help, many improve over time and are eventually able to lead productive lives."

Above are link and quote. To do this open a new tab and go back and forth from AD to the place you want to quote. Quick easy and no bookmarks needed.

 

[jillio]

NIMH · Borderline Personality Disorder


Borderline Personality Disorder
A woman looking at her distorted reflection.
Raising questions, finding answers

Borderline personality disorder (BPD) is a serious mental illness characterized by pervasive instability in moods, interpersonal relationships, self-image, and behavior. This instability often disrupts family and work life, long-term planning, and the individual's sense of self-identity. Originally thought to be at the "borderline" of psychosis, people with BPD suffer from a disorder of emotion regulation. While less well known than schizophrenia or bipolar disorder (manic-depressive illness), BPD is more common, affecting 2 percent of adults, mostly young women.1 There is a high rate of self-injury without suicide intent, as well as a significant rate of suicide attempts and completed suicide in severe cases.2,3 Patients often need extensive mental health services, and account for 20 percent of psychiatric hospitalizations.4 Yet, with help, many improve over time and are eventually able to lead productive lives."

Above are link and quote. To do this open a new tab and go back and forth from AD to the place you want to quote. Quick easy and no bookmarks needed.

Thanks for the concise example and explanation, Bott.

 

[Foxrac]

nevermind

 

[Foxrac]

If you support a candidate that states he is in favor of overturning Roe V Wade, then you are supporting a man that refuses to allow all women to make that choice for themselves. Why? Because they don't believe the same as him. That, in no uncertain terms, is force. If you are in favor of overturning Roe v Wade, it is an attempt to take choice away and force others to adhere to your value system.

If Roe v. Wade is overturn then we would go back to 50's, 60's and very early 70's when illegal abortions went skyrocket, that what I got experienced from my dad and overturn the law would not lessen the abortion but getting more worse, illegal abortion is more health hazard than legal abortion. I'm really doubt that law will overturn, also if overturn then more women would use pills to kill fetus or newborn, how is worse.

 

[fredfam1]

NIMH · Borderline Personality Disorder


Borderline Personality Disorder
A woman looking at her distorted reflection.
Raising questions, finding answers

Borderline personality disorder (BPD) is a serious mental illness characterized by pervasive instability in moods, interpersonal relationships, self-image, and behavior. This instability often disrupts family and work life, long-term planning, and the individual's sense of self-identity. Originally thought to be at the "borderline" of psychosis, people with BPD suffer from a disorder of emotion regulation. While less well known than schizophrenia or bipolar disorder (manic-depressive illness), BPD is more common, affecting 2 percent of adults, mostly young women.1 There is a high rate of self-injury without suicide intent, as well as a significant rate of suicide attempts and completed suicide in severe cases.2,3 Patients often need extensive mental health services, and account for 20 percent of psychiatric hospitalizations.4 Yet, with help, many improve over time and are eventually able to lead productive lives."

Above are link and quote. To do this open a new tab and go back and forth from AD to the place you want to quote. Quick easy and no bookmarks needed.

Thanks Botts. Excellent explanation.

 

[fredfam1]

No, you were referring to Bott's claim that she could feel the vibration of her small dog barking through the window. She described an action, your replied to it as being "cute". You did not say her small dog was cute.

And again you are mistaken. The new edition will not be out until 2012. Unless you are on the advisory board, or a contributing author, you will not have access to a copy until it is published in 2012.

If you have a problem with being corrected when you are posting innaccuracies, perhaps you should make sure they are accurate statements prior to posting them.

http://www.dialogix.org:8080/Demos/...EB-INF/schedules/SCID-I-P.jar&DIRECTIVE=START

SCID I/P (v. 2.0) - Structured Clinical Interview for DSM-IV (Draft/Subset)
I'm going to be asking you about problems or difficulties you may have had, and I'll be making some notes as we go along. Do you have any questions before we begin?
P123 What is your sex?
P124 What's your date of birth? (e.g. 09/03/2008)
P125 How old are you?
What is your marital status?
Do you have any children?

How interesting. This is an example of a proposed Stuctured Clinical Interview for the new DSM-IV

more stuff coming later as I find it.

 

[KarissaMann05]

I don't blame you for
anything.

I don't buy it...
What do trolls and sprongs have to do with constitutional law?

Oh? I'm completely surprise that you don't know what I mean. Well, I was refered to those unborn children...

 

[fredfam1]

http://www.dialogix.org:8080/Demos/...EB-INF/schedules/SCID-I-P.jar&DIRECTIVE=START

SCID I/P (v. 2.0) - Structured Clinical Interview for DSM-IV (Draft/Subset)
I'm going to be asking you about problems or difficulties you may have had, and I'll be making some notes as we go along. Do you have any questions before we begin?
P123 What is your sex?
P124 What's your date of birth? (e.g. 09/03/2008)
P125 How old are you?
What is your marital status?
Do you have any children?

How interesting. This is an example of a proposed Stuctured Clinical Interview for the new DSM-IV

more stuff coming later as I find it.

Since that was DMS-IV stuff, ( which will probably be used with some revisions in the DMS-V due to be officially released in 2012, Here is a sneak preview of some new stuff actually going into the DMS-V

American Psychiatric Publishing, Inc. - Age and Gender Considerations in Psychiatric Diagnosis

 

[dreama]

We debated in several abortion threads in the past. I noticed that some pro-lifers posted many pictures of partial birth abortion to any threads when they know partial birth abortion is banned? Why should we continue debate over late abortion when we know it is ALREADY banned then?

Unfortunately late abortions for the disabled are NOT banned. In England a disabled fetus can be aborted up until over 30 weeks when they are almost ready to come out. I think that is very wrong and unethnical. So while ANY late abortions are legal then we should talk about it.

The problem with this debate I think is precisely the fact that those who are pro abortion always dwell on abortions that happen at a stage when the baby is only a few cells but since abortion is still legal at 24 weeks when some babies are actually capable of serviving outside the womb the arguement that the unborn baby is 'just a few cells' is invalid.

I refuse to talk just about early abortions until the abortions of ANY Fetusus become illigal.

Why can't pro abortion people talk about LEGAL late abortions of the 'disabled' babies for a change. As it DOES happen. At least in England anyway. And no this does not include just severe disability. It also includes deaf, spina bifida and downs babies too who could live productive live styles. As well as mistakes where they think the baby is disabled but sometimes this turns out not to be the case. As the tests for disabilties are not always reliable.

Another thing. I'm not a christian. I am against abortion purely for secular reasons.