Do you support abortion as

Do you support abortion as

  • a legal?

    Votes: 39 63.9%
  • an illegal?

    Votes: 22 36.1%

  • Total voters
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Agreed. It's plain wrong to force.

But, keep that mind, not all pro-lifers are like that..

I just wish *some* pro-lifers have some more common sense
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Yes, I aware that not all pro-lifers are same and use good common sense.
 
I don't agree with this: a woman has a dozen of abortions. It's just annoy me and disgust me... *shudders*

If she finally decide to keep a baby, this baby will be an abortion survivor because a woman abort many times before. Scary thought.

Yes I personally against it totally and wish it make as an illegal.
 
I will show you my save folder. Be right back.

EDIT : Here's a story. Mother tried to abort her child three times. Try imagine, if a woman abort many fetuses until she finally decide to keep a baby. This baby is so lucky to be kept and alive, that would make her/him an abortion survivor.

Here's an another one - this will explain better.


If you are interesting, visit this.


:ty: for interesting links but one of 2 links is not working "explain". It´s partial birth abortion, not early fetus removal. Yes I can see that partial birth abortion could affect mother´s life sometimes. I am against partial birth abortion totally.
 
I'm not quite sure if that's easily doable. But correct me if I'm wrong - I thought that if you perform abortion, you're increasing your chance of infertility (not by a mile). Repeated abortions will make conception of baby more difficult. Isn't that right??

Unfortunately yes.
 
wow interesting articles accord post #270. :ty: for provide powerful links, Jillos.
 
What if Abortion Became Illegal?

A lot of elected officials say they want to see Roe v. Wade repealed, clearing the way for abortion to be made illegal. But few of them go the extra step and say what they would like to see done to women who have abortions. Throw a scared 17-year-old woman in jail? For how long?

Read further in those link including video.


What if Abortion Became Illegal? - The Board - Editorials - Opinion - New York Times Blog

I can image what if abortion become illegal, would women get death penalty for murder? It´s scary thought.
 
:ty: for interesting links but one of 2 links is not working "explain". It´s partial birth abortion, not early fetus removal. Yes I can see that partial birth abortion could affect mother´s life sometimes. I am against partial birth abortion totally.

When it comes to 2nd trimester abortion done to save a mother's life, partial birth is actually safer than the more commonly used, and still legal D & X procedure.
 
What if Abortion Became Illegal?

A lot of elected officials say they want to see Roe v. Wade repealed, clearing the way for abortion to be made illegal. But few of them go the extra step and say what they would like to see done to women who have abortions. Throw a scared 17-year-old woman in jail? For how long?

Read further in those link including video.


What if Abortion Became Illegal? - The Board - Editorials - Opinion - New York Times Blog

I can image what if abortion become illegal, would women get death penalty for murder? It´s scary thought.

More disturbing still is that none of them have in place any programs to assist the mother with health care, or any social programs that would allow that child to be raised in a healthy nurturing atmosphere. Their concern seems to extend only to the fetus and not to the welfare of that child once it has been born.

And yes, if abortion is again made illegal, then those who give abortions, as well as those who have them, have broken the law.
 
Red bond is anti-abortion/pro-lifer.
Black bond is pro-abortion/pro-choice.


Human life begins at conception.

There is no scientific consensus as to when human life begins. It is a matter of philosophic opinion or religious belief. Human life is a continuum---sperm and eggs are also alive, and represent potential human beings, but virtually all sperm and eggs are wasted. Also, two-thirds of human conceptions are spontaneously aborted by nature.

Abortion is the murder of a person.

Personhood at conception is a religious belief, not a provable biological fact.

Religious communities have differing ideas on the definition of "person" or when abortion is morally justified. In the Canadian courts, however, a fetus has consistently been found not to be a person with legal rights.


Abortion is morally wrong.

Most people reject the position that abortion is always wrong. In fact, abortion often has positive benefits for women's lives and health. Many people believe that bringing an unwanted child into the world is a crime, and that forcing a woman to have a child against her will is morally wrong. Many who are opposed to abortion for religious or moral reasons believe that it is wrong to impose their values by civil law on everyone.

The fetus should have rights under the law.

If fetal rights were enshrined in law, women's bodies, rights, and health would be subordinated to the protection of embryos. The legal consequences of such a law would be catastrophic. The best way to protect the fetus is to promote the health and well-being of women.

Abortion should not be legal and must be stopped.

Laws have never stopped abortion, but only made it unsafe for women. Abortion is a universal practice that has been with us since the beginning of time, whether legal or illegal.

Most Canadians believe that abortion should be illegal. The majority rules in a democracy.

About 78% of Canadians believe that abortion is a private matter between a woman and her doctor. Human rights are guaranteed for everyone and are not subject to the whim of the electorate. Even if only a minority believed in freedom of choice, that right should be protected from the tyranny of the majority.

Pro-life is pro-family. Pro-abortionists are anti-family. Abortion destroys the family.

Legal abortion helps parents limit their families to the number of children they want and can afford. This strengthens and stabilizes the family unit. Therefore, pro-choice is pro-child and pro-family. Anti-abortion laws can cause stress and hardship for families with insufficient resources to raise unwanted children. Families with unwanted children often consist of a child and her child, living at the lowest levels of society.

The right of the unborn to live supercedes any right of a woman to "control her own body."

Margaret Sanger said, "No woman can call herself free who does not own and control her own body." This concept is fundamental for women. Bearing a child alters a woman's life more than anything else. Other women's rights are hollow if women are forced to be mothers. Being born is a gift, not a right. People don't ask to be born, and some even wish they weren't.

If a woman has sex, she has to pay the consequences. Too many women have abortions for their own convenience or on "whim."

This vindictive, self-righteous attitude stems from a belief that sex is bad and must be punished. Motherhood should never be punishment for having sex. Forcing a child to be born to punish its mother is the ultimate in child abuse. Anti-abortionists trivialize motherhood and childbirth by dismissing pregnancy as a mere inconvenience. They ignore or belittle the needs of the woman and the conflict she endures in making her decision. Guilt is inflicted when compassion is needed.

Opposition to abortion is common in all segments of society. It is not a campaign by religious groups trying to foist their beliefs on everyone else.

The Catholic Church and the "religious right" are the backbone of the anti-abortion movement. Pro-choice religious people see anti-abortion laws as a violation of religious liberty. Abortion is a religious issue, because the stated basis of opposition to abortion is the theological question of when personhood begins. Also, religious doctrines that dictate female subservience and a childbearing role for women are the real hidden agenda of opposition to abortion.

Many women are coerced into having abortions. Abortion clinics push women to have abortions, and don't inform women about alternatives to abortion.

Partners, parents, or friends may sometimes urge a woman to have an abortion, even if she is unsure or would prefer to have the baby. Therefore, abortion clinics provide compassionate counseling to all patients, to make sure the woman's own concerns and needs are dealt with. Options counselling provides women with full information on alternatives to abortion. If women seem ambivalent about abortion, or feel pressured by others, counsellors will encourage them to take more time to think about their decision.

Abortion is dangerous and medically risky. It is not as safe as natural pregnancy. Abortion increases the risk of miscarriage in future pregnancies, and infertility.

The risk of dying from childbirth is about 13 times that for early abortion, and the overall abortion complication rate is extremely low, about 25 times lower than for childbirth. First-trimester abortion has become one of the safest and simplest medical procedures of all, one that can be quickly and routinely performed even by nurses as well as doctors. Having an abortion will not adversely affect a woman's future reproduction. Legalized abortion has had a positive impact on the health of American women by providing them with a safer way to terminate their pregnancies.

Abortion increases the risk of breast cancer.

Scientific studies show there is no link between abortion and higher rates of breast cancer. This is the conclusion of major health organizations in North America, including the Canadian Cancer Society.

There are too many late abortions. Women shouldn't wait so long.

Virtually all abortions are done in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, and only a few after 16 weeks. Most late abortions are done for health reasons. Ironically, anti-choice harassment, laws, and defunding cause delays and lead to increased numbers of late abortions.

The anti-abortion movement is not opposed to contraception.

The same people who oppose legal abortion often oppose contraception as well. This position is irresponsible and hypocritical. If anti-abortionists used their well-funded organizing power to promote contraception and sex education instead of fighting legal abortion, they could likely cut the abortion rate in half within a few years.

Making contraceptives and abortion available only encourages teenagers to have sex.

Teen sex has complex societal causes, including sexually-oriented TV, movies, and ads. Studies have shown that where birth control, abortion, and comprehensive sex education are readily available (such as in the Netherlands), teenagers have less sex, not more, and abortion rates go down. Further, abstinence-based sex-ed programs in schools don't stop many teenagers from having sex; instead, they increase the likelihood of unsafe sex. Reality dictates that birth control and abortion be available to help prevent teens from becoming parents.

Minors should have their parents' consent before having abortions, and wives should have their husbands' consent.

Mandatory parental involvement laws obstruct exercise of the abortion right. Such laws are bad for several reasons: they cause girls to delay seeking medical care, and they do not exempt girls with abusive, ill, absent, or anti-abortion parents. It is not possible to legislate good family relations. The right of privacy allows women to be free of government interference in decisions about childbearing. Courts have said that when a couple disagree, only one view can prevail, and that it should be the woman's because she physically bears the child and is more directly affected by the pregnancy.

Adoption is a better alternative to abortion.

A woman should be able to decide for herself. Some women do choose adoption, but many more choose single parenthood. Adoption is a difficult route for anyone to take, and it is not fair to demand that women make such a sacrifice. For a married woman, giving a baby up for adoption is virtually impossible.

Abortion is being used as a method of population control in underdeveloped nations.

Virtually all women would rather rely on contraception than abortion, but in some countries, contraception is expensive or unavailable and women are forced to resort to abortion. Although abortion is a legitimate way to allow individuals to limit their childbearing voluntarily when a country's resources cannot support its population, pro-choice people oppose forced abortion.

Most unwanted pregnancies become wanted children. Women who have abortions regret their mistake later.

Many unwanted babies are abused and neglected, and suffer lifelong developmental and social problems. Many women make mistakes in having babies they don't want and can't love or care for. A few women may come to regret their abortion, but this should not be a reason to deny choice to all women.

Abortion causes psychological damage to women. They suffer guilt feelings all their lives.

The American Psychological Association has concluded that abortion rarely causes any long-lasting or severe psychological after-effects. Many negative feelings are related to the unwanted pregnancy, not the abortion, which usually brings feelings of relief. Psychological problems such as post-partum depression are more common in new mothers.

There is no abortion law in Canada. Women are having abortions right up until the ninth month of pregnancy.

No doctors in Canada perform abortions past 20 weeks, except for compelling health or genetic reasons. It is an insult to women to imply that they are casually aborting their 9-month old fetuses.

The baby is capable of feeling intense pain when it is killed in abortion.

The brain structures and nerve-cell connections that characterize the thinking and feeling parts of the brain are not completed until between the 7th and 8th months of gestation. Only after 30 weeks do the brain waves show patterns of waking consciousness when pain can be perceived.

Since abortions are elective procedures, they should not be paid for out of provincial health insurance plans.

Abortion is a necessary medical procedure, and one that cannot wait, unlike elective surgery. Lack of funding causes delays and increases health risks. When abortions are not covered by medical insurance, poor women can't afford them. This means one law for the rich, another for the poor. It costs taxpayers far more to pay for the pregnancy and birth of an unwanted child.

Abortion is mass murder---genocide---another Nazi holocaust. Six million abortions are the same as six million Jews; a life is a life.

Hitler used racial grounds to exterminate Jews and other "undesirables." In the reproductive rights movement, no one is out to kill all embryos. It is an insult to the memory of human beings murdered by the Nazis to equate them with embryos for anti-abortion propaganda. The anti-choice don't really believe their own propaganda---some former abortion doctors, such as Dr. Bernard Nathanson, are heroes to the anti-choice movement, despite the fact that they are guilty of "genocide" according to the movement's own definition.


The "abortion mentality" leads to infanticide, euthanasia, and killing of mentally disabled and elderly persons.


This "slippery slope" argument has no merit. In countries where abortion has been legal for years, there is no evidence that respect for life has diminished or that legal abortion leads to killing of any persons. Infanticide, however, is prevalent in countries where the overburdened poor cannot control their childbearing and abortion is illegal.

If abortion were made illegal again, women would not return to coat-hanger abortions or back-alley butchers. Safe, modern technology will be available to non-physicians, and it would be relatively easy to get an abortion.

If abortion were illegal, well-intentioned but unskilled practitioners would perforate uteruses, misjudge the length of gestation, do incomplete abortions, and otherwise botch the procedure. Women's health would suffer and the death rate soar. Further, women would once more be forced to break the law to receive necessary medical care, and their dignity would be lost in the process. Also, this argument, by admitting that abortions would continue under anti-abortion laws, exposes the real goal behind recriminalizing abortion---to punish women.

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When it comes to 2nd trimester abortion done to save a mother's life, partial birth is actually safer than the more commonly used, and still legal D & X procedure.

I mean if mother change her mind later for not want child. That´s what I am against.

Here in Germany, after 12 weeks fetus to save mother´s life.... They do is break mother´s water under drugs and let her push fetus out of her womb or C-Section, not cut fetus into pieces like the pictures, some pro-lifers posted in several threads. The doctors and mother discussed what they should do with fetus to respect mother´s decision... bury fetus or fetus go to labor. I know those experiences from a good friend of mine.

Yes I would agree that it would be safety if the doctor handle correction.
 
:ty: for interesting links but one of 2 links is not working "explain". It´s partial birth abortion, not early fetus removal. Yes I can see that partial birth abortion could affect mother´s life sometimes. I am against partial birth abortion totally.

Yeah, I know. I just pointed to that "a person who has many abortions until she finally decide to have a child" subject, that would make a child as abortion survivor. You know what I mean, right?
 
More disturbing still is that none of them have in place any programs to assist the mother with health care, or any social programs that would allow that child to be raised in a healthy nurturing atmosphere. Their concern seems to extend only to the fetus and not to the welfare of that child once it has been born.

Unfortunately yes, I notice that their concern is fetus´s life is mainly important, not child´s welfare.

And yes, if abortion is again made illegal, then those who give abortions, as well as those who have them, have broken the law.

Yes, I am scare for women and child if they make abortion law into illegal.
 
I agreed some of this #309 and I disagreed some of this #309.

Great post, Liebling. :)
 
Abotion is more than a word

A woman is more than a fetus. Though a woman might be pregnant with a child, she still is her own person and has every right to decide what she wants to do with her baby. laws against abortion kill women. Even though abortion may be illegal doesn't mean that women won't go through with the abortion. Look at the case of Becky Bell for example. She was an innocent girl that did not want her child and died because of an illegal abortion.
Legal abortion protects women's health. For tens of thousands of women with heart disease, kidney disease, severe hypertension and severe diabetes, and other illnesses that can be life-threatening, the availability of legal abortion has helped avert serious medical complications that could have resulted from childbirth. Before legal abortion, such women's choices were limited to dangerous illegal abortion or dangerous childbirth. Outlawing abortion is discriminatory. Anti abortion laws discriminate against low income women who are forced to back alley abortions, where they can become infected. Rich people can travel to anywhere they need to go to find the proper care that they need. If abortion is outlawed then more children will be having children. Abortion should not be a form of birth control, but if something does happen there should be the option of abortion there so the wrong mother doesn't have to raise a child at such a young age.

Every child should be a wanted child. If abortion is illegal then there would be a lot of children brought into this world that weren't wanted. This could cause more damage to the child than anything. Abortion should be legal for those women who are raped. Women who are raped sometimes can not even bare the thought of bringing that child into their lives and sometimes the option of abortion is the best one to chose. Abortion is one of the most heated debates in both the political and social arena. "Abortion" refers to any premature expulsion of a human fetus, whether naturally spontaneous, as in a miscarriage, or artificially induced, as in a surgical or chemical abortion. Before the Supreme Court ruling in 1973 in the Roe v. Wade case abortion was considered illegal in United States. Under Roe vs. Wade, in 1973 in United States abortion was made legal. The Supreme Court made abortions legal in all 50 states during all nine months of pregnancy, which could be for medical, social or any other reason. When abortion was made legal it received the approval of society and along with that clinics sprang up everywhere, with information being provided everywhere about places of abortion providers.

Personally I think every last person is entitled to his or her own opinions, beliefs, thoughts, and rights. And yes, women have rights too, and denying women the right to choose an abortion in the early stages is denying her rights as a U.S citizen and it is also discriminating against her. A woman should have the choice to have an abortion if she is raped, impregnated by a deranged man or by incest. It would be unfair to force a rape victim to bear an unwanted baby and give up all the dreams she ever had and be reminded of that rape for the rest of her life.

I also think a woman's life should not be sacrificed or put at risk, a woman should be able to abort if there is any complications or a threat to her life and a threat to the baby's life. It would be morally wrong to bring to this world a severely deformed, extremely handicapped, or an incompetent baby and watch him or her suffer for the rest of their lives. That would not only affect the mother's life, but that would affect the baby's life also. That child would never be normal, never be happy and would feel miserable for not being like the other children.

If the woman is not ready financially, emotionally and physically, she should have the choice, every child should be wanted. After all, there are enough children out there that are either on welfare, foster care or just plain abused, they might also feel rejected by society, by their parents who did not want them in the first place and might rebel later on in their teen years. Pro-life wants abortion to become illegal; they think that it's murder. They say the baby is innocent, did nothing to deserve being killed, did not ask to be born and has the right to live. Which is understandable and logical but the fetus has no feelings or memories, it is just a mass of tissues at first. But think about the outcome, think about the future of that baby, she or he does not deserve to live in misery, in poverty and abuse, she or he might be resented later on, might have a bad life with bad parents that do not care and can not afford raising them.

In my opinion, abortion should definitely be the mother's choice Mothers are able to make their own decisions. After all it is their constitutional right and they are the one who are going to live with the outcome or guilt. It should be between the mother, her religion, her conscious, and her God. Nobody has the right to impose his or her morals on any body. Sometimes abortion is a way out of misery not just for the mother but for the baby too. Pro-life wants to pass "human life amendment" to the constitution declaring the unborn fetus to be a full person from the moment of conception. A woman's body has the ability to abort naturally by the way of miscarriage. Natural abortions are happening everyday. Does that mean woman are going to be questioned about the circumstances of the miscarriage, are they going to be investigated or blamed or even prosecuted? Who is going to be held liable for the death of that fetus? Where do we draw the line?

Abotion is more than a word
 
I mean if mother change her mind later for not want child. That´s what I am against.

Here in Germany, after 12 weeks fetus to save mother´s life.... They do is break mother´s water under drugs and let her push fetus out of her womb or C-Section, not cut fetus into pieces like the pictures, some pro-lifers posted in several threads. The doctors and mother discussed what they should do with fetus to respect mother´s decision... bury fetus or fetus go to labor. I know those experiences from a good friend of mine.

Yes I would agree that it would be safety if the doctor handle correction.

I agree that 2nd timester should only be done to save the mother's life. Actually, there is a procedure known as mini C-section that can be done. Partial birth also allows the mother to partially deliver fetus. However, since partial birth has been outlawed in the U.S., they have to resort to D & X, which is far more dangerous to the woman because in the process of extractin, a part of the fetus could be left inside causing life threatening infection or infertility.
 
Some disagreed and one thought

Red bond is anti-abortion/pro-lifer.
Black bond is pro-abortion/pro-choice.

Human life begins at conception.

There is no scientific consensus as to when human life begins. It is a matter of philosophic opinion or religious belief. Human life is a continuum---sperm and eggs are also alive, and represent potential human beings, but virtually all sperm and eggs are wasted. Also, two-thirds of human conceptions are spontaneously aborted by nature.

Abortion is the murder of a person.

Personhood at conception is a religious belief, not a provable biological fact.

Religious communities have differing ideas on the definition of "person" or when abortion is morally justified. In the Canadian courts, however, a fetus has consistently been found not to be a person with legal rights.

I disagreed. Because of this, take a look...

Pro-life is pro-family. Pro-abortionists are anti-family. Abortion destroys the family.

Legal abortion helps parents limit their families to the number of children they want and can afford. This strengthens and stabilizes the family unit. Therefore, pro-choice is pro-child and pro-family. Anti-abortion laws can cause stress and hardship for families with insufficient resources to raise unwanted children. Families with unwanted children often consist of a child and her child, living at the lowest levels of society.

Not all unwanted children will have a horrible life forever. It's depend on their satuations are. But, if it's true, why am I alive? My mom should abort me because of my poor qaulity of life and my disablity too. I'm not that worth person to be, anyway.

A poor qaulity of lives mean to be void. My life supppose to be viod, too. :nods:


Abortion is dangerous and medically risky. It is not as safe as natural pregnancy. Abortion increases the risk of miscarriage in future pregnancies, and infertility.

The risk of dying from childbirth is about 13 times that for early abortion, and the overall abortion complication rate is extremely low, about 25 times lower than for childbirth. First-trimester abortion has become one of the safest and simplest medical procedures of all, one that can be quickly and routinely performed even by nurses as well as doctors. Having an abortion will not adversely affect a woman's future reproduction. Legalized abortion has had a positive impact on the health of American women by providing them with a safer way to terminate their pregnancies.

I disagreed. I already mentioned it before. As other part, I mostly agreed.

The baby is capable of feeling intense pain when it is killed in abortion.

The brain structures and nerve-cell connections that characterize the thinking and feeling parts of the brain are not completed until between the 7th and 8th months of gestation. Only after 30 weeks do the brain waves show patterns of waking consciousness when pain can be perceived.

I completely disagreed. A child do feel a pain in between 4th/5th to 8th months. I will find a few links to share with ya when I have a time.

If abortion were made illegal again, women would not return to coat-hanger abortions or back-alley butchers. Safe, modern technology will be available to non-physicians, and it would be relatively easy to get an abortion.

If abortion were illegal, well-intentioned but unskilled practitioners would perforate uteruses, misjudge the length of gestation, do incomplete abortions, and otherwise botch the procedure. Women's health would suffer and the death rate soar. Further, women would once more be forced to break the law to receive necessary medical care, and their dignity would be lost in the process. Also, this argument, by admitting that abortions would continue under anti-abortion laws, exposes the real goal behind recriminalizing abortion---to punish women.

(Just thought on this, not disagree with this) If you don't want illegal abortion, don't have one.

That's all.
 
Wow, I didn't realize that this had gone crazy already. I understand your point of view about Abortion. All I can say it is plain wrong, period regardless if it's women body/choice.

Why I am saying this? Because I had experience one when I had gone through and it's terrible, I am telling you. Abortions does hunt you down when women done them... It does hit men hard too that many women doesn't realize that.

That is the main reason I run a abortion site that educate everyone that abortion is very serious and it does a huge threat on women/men's health.

And where is your link to the abortion site that you run?
 
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