Do you have a contingency plan?

rockdrummer said:
In the context of a nuke being detonated in the atmosphere to generate an EMP that would wipe out the continental grid, everyone on said continent would be impacted within a very short time. Unless you are in a fallout shelter before the event, you will not survive for very long.
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you will not survive very long in fallout shelter either. Your supply will run out before the government rescues us
 
we've discussed about family members being part of contingency plan... what about pets?
 
Jiro said:
we've discussed about family members being part of contingency plan... what about pets?
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If you have room for them and enough supplies, bring them with you.
 
Reba said:
If you have room for them and enough supplies, bring them with you.
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some pets require electricity such as fish, lizard, etc. I also feel bad for out-patients and hospital patients hooked up on machines. :(
 
Jiro said:
some pets require electricity such as fish, lizard, etc. I also feel bad about out-patients and hospital patients hooked up on machines. :(
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Also, thank god I live in a temperate zone where tegus can survive outdoors-- as long... it's not winter.
 
Jiro said:
some pets require electricity such as fish, lizard, etc. I also feel bad about out-patients and hospital patients hooked up on machines. :(
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According to Rockdrummer, if you don't have a shelter, you'll be dead, too.
 
Reba said:
According to Rockdrummer, if you don't have a shelter, you'll be dead, too.
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Jiro said:
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Do you have a shelter in your condo?

When I worked at the movie theater, it was a designated bomb shelter. It was an old building, from the 20's I think. It was a large theater, originally vaudeville, so it was several stories tall and deep. It was built at the top of a hill, with the shelter area being in to side of the hill, below street level. Most of the area there was granite ledge, so very dense. They kept emergency supplies there. It was kinda creepy. We had the big yellow and black shelter signs posted on the outside (this was 1969-70 when I worked there). We also used the area for storing our bags of popcorn, so I went down there often to fetch them.

If we had to take shelter in there we would have lots of popcorn to eat. :)
 
Reba said:
Do you have a shelter in your condo?

When I worked at the movie theater, it was a designated bomb shelter. It was an old building, from the 20's I think. It was a large theater, originally vaudeville, so it was several stories tall and deep. It was built at the top of a hill, with the shelter area being in to side of the hill, below street level. Most of the area there was granite ledge, so very dense. They kept emergency supplies there. It was kinda creepy. We had the big yellow and black shelter signs posted on the outside (this was 1969-70 when I worked there). We also used the area for storing our bags of popcorn, so I went down there often to fetch them.

If we had to take shelter in there we would have lots of popcorn to eat. :)
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There are a few Mcdonald's in my area that have been around since the 60's. They have fallout shelters.

I am wondering if there is an online map showing where fallout shelters are in your area?

http://www.disastershelters.net/weapons.php



EMP Effect
Most experts agree that a full scale nuclear attack would be initiated by a high altitude (approximately 200 miles high) nuclear explosion, and that it would most probably be deployed from a satellite. A nuclear bomb detonated at that altitude will not damage living tissue, will not cause significant radiation fallout and is not a health threat to the population. The purpose of this explosion is to damage critical electrical circuitry in our retaliatory defense weapons and our military communications capabilities. This is accomplished by means of the electro magnetic pulse (EMP) associated with the explosion. One such explosion could affect an area of a thousand miles in diameter.

Terrorist nations can deploy EMP weapons from surface to air missiles detonated from a ship in our costal waters. Iran's, Shahab-3 ballistic missile, if armed with a nuclear weapon, would have this capability. North Korea, an ally of Iran, boasts that they already have nuclear weapons with ballistic missiles capable of reaching these heights.
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so you will not need a shelter for an EMP, but will need a shelter for nuclear strike.

Also, this article goes on to say that something does not need to be turned on and running for an EMP to destroy it.

Collectors, such as long runs of cable, house wiring, conduit, large antennas, overhead power and telephone lines, railroad tracks, etc., gather this energy in the form of a strong current and voltage surge. All solid state electronics is vulnerable to this energy surge. The equipment does not have to be attached directly to the collector in order to be damaged. It's possible for a collector to gather in the order of a joule of energy from a one megaton, high altitude explosion. The fact that a small fraction of a joule can cause permanent damage to electronic devices, shows that the EMP threat is a serious one. The damage to equipment could include automobile ignition systems, telephone and radio communications, airline communications, navigational aids, & computers. The power grid throughout the United States would most probably fail. It is estimated that about 95% of our radio stations would immediately loose transmission in an EMP attack.
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but ... if its an EMP ...you will need shelter for the followup nuclear strike:

If a power drop is detected, care should be taken to test telephones, radio stations, and other equipment for loss of function. Many radio stations have alternate power sources, but only about 5% of our radio stations have been hardened against the EMP. If, after checking a battery powered radio, you find that most of the radio stations are not functioning, you should take shelter immediately.
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and last but not least - no, it would not be the end of the owrld - just the end to what we have grown accustomed to:

According to the worst-case scenario forecasts prepared by the Department of Defense in 2002, the short-term casualties that would be derived from a full onslaught nuclear attack (Russia and / or China) would approximate 30% - 35% of our population with and additional 30% - 35% of our population dying over the following 6-8 weeks from starvation, dehydration, disease, inclement weather, contamination, attack, etc. In this forecasted worst case, 30% of our citizens would survive to start over and rebuild our country. At 290,000,000 people and growing, this means that almost 100,000,000 Americans would survive. Yes, we would be starting over and it would be hard at times. We would be living in a 3rd world country for a period of time. But, unlike our pioneer ancestors, we still have the knowledge and information from before, to build upon.
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Reba said:
Do you have a shelter in your condo?

When I worked at the movie theater, it was a designated bomb shelter. It was an old building, from the 20's I think. It was a large theater, originally vaudeville, so it was several stories tall and deep. It was built at the top of a hill, with the shelter area being in to side of the hill, below street level. Most of the area there was granite ledge, so very dense. They kept emergency supplies there. It was kinda creepy. We had the big yellow and black shelter signs posted on the outside (this was 1969-70 when I worked there). We also used the area for storing our bags of popcorn, so I went down there often to fetch them.

If we had to take shelter in there we would have lots of popcorn to eat. :)
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my condo was originally a massive parking garage. The mega real estate agency acquired it and built a condo on it 10 years ago. Definitely not a designated bomb shelter but this synagogue just half a block from me is.
 
Jiro said:
my condo was originally a massive parking garage. The mega real estate agency acquired it and built a condo on it 10 years ago. Definitely not a designated bomb shelter but this synagogue just half a block from me is.
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Nuclear War Fallout Shelter Survival Info for New Jersey with FEMA Target Maps

I am still searching for a state to state website that might have information on bomb shelters left over from the 60's. It would be good information to have with your contingency kit of the nearest shelters.

btw - I know this may be a crossover to thread about firearms, but I thought I would just share a picture here of what will definitely be in my kit ;) For those outside of America, Gun Owners in America are pretty much "matter of fact" and calm when we talk about our personal weapons. It has been a part of American Culture since our inception.


Here she is:

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Jiro said:
my condo was originally a massive parking garage. The mega real estate agency acquired it and built a condo on it 10 years ago. Definitely not a designated bomb shelter but this synagogue just half a block from me is.
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It has a yellow and black shelter sign?
 
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