Do you have a contingency plan?

[Jiro]

You mean you don't have a backup fishing line soup can comm system????

The SIX . will be open somehow....It's gonna take alot of line though

hope they have a team of armed security guards.... for everybody's safety. Wouldn't be surprised if a couple of shopkeepers started getting angry and started shooting.

 

[Jiro]

Even though if you were a blacksmith, gold/silver is worthless. Too soft

unless..... I have a Civil War rifle

 

[TXgolfer]

hope they have a team of armed security guards.... for everybody's safety. Wouldn't be surprised if a couple of shopkeepers started getting angry and started shooting.

Joke fail.....SIX is Swiss Stock Exchange

 

[rockdrummer]

Originally Posted by rockdrummer
That all depends on the event my friend. If the SRHTF then there would be no relief effort. You are on your own

if there's no relief effort - it would be because all super nations have collapsed. I doubt that will ever happen in our lifetime. OP's scenario is an EMP strike in USA. It is very unrealistic that entire or a major portion of USA will be disabled.

Nobody has that kind of capability to do that.

On the contrary. The capabilities are here and a real threat. And if it was successful and did take out the grid and all communications, trust me, you would be on your own for quite a while. Not to mention having to deal with the nuclear fallout.

http://www.nationalterroralert.com/...p-threat-a-single-nuke-could-destroy-america/

 

[Jiro]

On the contrary. The capabilities are here and a real threat. And if it was successful and did take out the grid and all communications, trust me, you would be on your own for quite a while. Not to mention having to deal with the nuclear fallout.

http://www.nationalterroralert.com/...p-threat-a-single-nuke-could-destroy-america/

2 things - a capability and a means of delivery. Our rogue nations have nuclear capability but they have no effective means of delivery. Beside - if you and I know about this, the American government & military are already steps ahead of us.

$800+ billion defense budget.... and there's a reason for that. (that's approximately 48% of the world military spending and the defense budget of entire European countries combined doesn't even come close to it.. which is about 20%).

btw - I had to laugh. a single nuke? it takes one nuke to destroy America? I lol'ed... mentally. It's easy to dramatize the situation just to scare them into spending more on national security. We're a military-industrial complex after all....

 

[rockdrummer]

2 things - a capability and a means of delivery. Our rogue nations have nuclear capability but they have no effective means of delivery. Beside - if you and I know about this, the American government & military are already steps ahead of us.

$800+ billion defense budget.... and there's a reason for that. (that's approximately 48% of the world military spending and the defense budget of entire European countries combined doesn't even come close to it.. which is about 20%).

btw - I had to laugh. a single nuke? it takes one nuke to destroy America? I lol'ed... mentally. It's easy to dramatize the situation just to scare them into spending more on national security. We're a military-industrial complex after all....

How is it that you posses more insight than Newt Gingrich and William Forstchen? Do you know for sure that the recommendations to mitigate the threat have been implemented? Did you read the entire article?

 

[posts from hell]

Then, tell us, how you have prepared for this, rockdrummer?

 

[Jiro]

How is it that you posses more insight than Newt Gingrich and William Forstchen?

They get paid to do fear-mongering
I get paid to do fear-dispelling

so my question for you - why is it that people tend to believe more & strongly on exaggerated threats than understated threats?

Do you know for sure that the recommendations to mitigate the threat have been implemented?

well if I do know and if Gingrich & Forstchen mentioned about it, that would defeat the purpose of having a counteractive defense capability, eh? Beside - the implementations & protocols should remain classified.

Did you read the entire article?

at first - not at all. after reading your sentence, I just did now. It confirmed my reason for not reading entire article in the first place. It's same old fear-mongering song for past couple decades - dirty bomb. nerve gas. sleeper cells. etc.

 

[Steinhauer]

Exactly. The fact he even thought up of taking over a convenience store, making a new government of his own.... It would only magnify in the dire situations..

Not to be a nitpick - but he represents the government- trains government employees and would not be establishing his own government - he would be implementing the policy of the U.S. Government.

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If moderators would allow it, and if it were acceptable, I could politely ask him to join in this discussion. I might even be able to get a member of the IDF to shed some light on the Iran situation as well.

Of course, I cannot guarantee they would participate here, but I can ask. The only reason I am suggesting this is because it might just be a "learning" opportunity for us all.

I have thoroughly enjoyed discussing this .... and again wish to genuinely say thanks for all who have contributed. It has remained a very civil discussion and I am very impressed. Usually discussions like this turn into flame wars, but it hasn't happened here.


One last thing ... I included a very specific item in my GOOD bag recommendation that would be completely useless in the event of a solar storm/EMP. I did this intentionally, yet no one has called it out.

What item would be completely useless? The handheld GPS system. Even though it would work electronically, there would be no data as satellites would have been effected and rendered useless.


This same thing applies to brand new computers stored away in warehouses. Even though they would work ... you have to have power to turn them on.

The process of replacing electronic ignition systems in your car, electronic transformers within a power grid, and the process of replacing any unprotected electrical equipment — and anything connected to electrical cables, which act as giant lightning rods or antennae — would be quite a massive project ... in other words..... things would NOT be up and running within a month.


Now, if some weird conspiracy nutbag website had made indications this was a very real threat ... I would have paid no interest in it. But when NASA comes forward and announces this as highly probable, I pay attention. At least, enough attention to prepare for something like it to happen.

Be prepared!

 

[posts from hell]

Not to be a nitpick - but he represents the government- trains government employees and would not be establishing his own government - he would be implementing the policy of the U.S. Government.

_________________________________________________________________

If moderators would allow it, and if it were acceptable, I could politely ask him to join in this discussion. I might even be able to get a member of the IDF to shed some light on the Iran situation as well.

Of course, I cannot guarantee they would participate here, but I can ask. The only reason I am suggesting this is because it might just be a "learning" opportunity for us all.

I have thoroughly enjoyed discussing this .... and again wish to genuinely say thanks for all who have contributed. It has remained a very civil discussion and I am very impressed. Usually discussions like this turn into flame wars, but it hasn't happened here.


One last thing ... I included a very specific item in my GOOD bag recommendation that would be completely useless in the event of a solar storm/EMP. I did this intentionally, yet no one has called it out.

What item would be completely useless? The handheld GPS system. Even though it would work electronically, there would be no data as satellites would have been effected and rendered useless.


This same thing applies to brand new computers stored away in warehouses. Even though they would work ... you have to have power to turn them on.

The process of replacing electronic ignition systems in your car, electronic transformers within a power grid, and the process of replacing any unprotected electrical equipment — and anything connected to electrical cables, which act as giant lightning rods or antennae — would be quite a massive project ... in other words..... things would NOT be up and running within a month.


Now, if some weird conspiracy nutbag website had made indications this was a very real threat ... I would have paid no interest in it. But when NASA comes forward and announces this as highly probable, I pay attention. At least, enough attention to prepare for something like it to happen.

Be prepared!

I bet you that Boulder will be up and running in a month, maybe more efficient than before.

And Yeah, I thought that was odd you having a gps unit... Such was the reason i said your kit was a fail.

 

[TXgolfer]

I bet you that Boulder will be up and running in a month, maybe more efficient than before.

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That's because they have a smoking ban.....Makes people more productive

 

[Jiro]

Not to be a nitpick - but he represents the government- trains government employees and would not be establishing his own government - he would be implementing the policy of the U.S. Government.

yes.... but he's training the screened professionals. It would be quite different when he would be training unorganized/unpredictable/unqualified civilians.

and plus.... from your post... you said he's bit nutty and he had dealt with sniper fire, RPG, and IED's on daily basis.... chance is very high that he has PTSD and he is prone to triggers. Furthermore - the way he worded it about what he would do in SHTF situation... he sounds like an aggressive type.

Just saying that you should exercise with caution.

If moderators would allow it, and if it were acceptable, I could politely ask him to join in this discussion. I might even be able to get a member of the IDF to shed some light on the Iran situation as well.

Of course, I cannot guarantee they would participate here, but I can ask. The only reason I am suggesting this is because it might just be a "learning" opportunity for us all.

I have thoroughly enjoyed discussing this .... and again wish to genuinely say thanks for all who have contributed. It has remained a very civil discussion and I am very impressed. Usually discussions like this turn into flame wars, but it hasn't happened here.


One last thing ... I included a very specific item in my GOOD bag recommendation that would be completely useless in the event of a solar storm/EMP. I did this intentionally, yet no one has called it out.

What item would be completely useless? The handheld GPS system. Even though it would work electronically, there would be no data as satellites would have been effected and rendered useless.

not likely. Low-Orbit satellites? yea probably but we already have dozens of satellites at medium & high-orbits. I seriously doubt a rogue EMP burst can reach that far. Beside - We have dozens of GPS satellites rotating around Earth at all the time. EMP burst lasts a few seconds so if a few satellites failed, it's not a problem. The system is already designed to compensate that. You only need at least 2-3 satellites for GPS. There are over 24 GPS satellites.

I know because my dad used to do communication business. To render our GPS satellite system completely useless... you'd have to set off multiple EMP bombs around the world and also in the space. Pretty damn unrealistic for that to happen.

Here's a thing you probably didn't know. If our communication system is down.. it can be quickly restored on temporary basis by launching dozens of high/low-attitude blimps or hot-air balloons equipped with arrays of communication systems

Boulder (YEA YOU PFH!) is part of this project. This kind of project is useful for poor country or disaster-stricken zone where communication system is non-existent.

This same thing applies to brand new computers stored away in warehouses. Even though they would work ... you have to have power to turn them on.

The process of replacing electronic ignition systems in your car, electronic transformers within a power grid, and the process of replacing any unprotected electrical equipment — and anything connected to electrical cables, which act as giant lightning rods or antennae — would be quite a massive project ... in other words..... things would NOT be up and running within a month.

Now, if some weird conspiracy nutbag website had made indications this was a very real threat ... I would have paid no interest in it. But when NASA comes forward and announces this as highly probable, I pay attention. At least, enough attention to prepare for something like it to happen.

Be prepared!

but.... I posted few articles about NASA warning about it for years... nothing happened.

 

[Steinhauer]

I see your point Jiro about EMP, but I was referencing more towards a solar storm in regards to satellites.

I did not know about the Boulder projects, but I am familiar with brilliant pebbles (cancelled in 1994 and under current re-evaluation)

"If" an EMP was ever launched successfully, I am sure more would follow. An EMP is even more dangerous as it is designed to emit the EMP upon detonation - so a brilliant pebble would be counterproductive.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCVPNQhXtq8]YouTube - SDI Brilliant Pebbles killer vehicle test #1[/ame]

 

[Jiro]

I see your point Jiro about EMP, but I was referencing more towards a solar storm in regards to satellites.

I did not know about the Boulder projects, but I am familiar with brilliant pebbles (cancelled in 1994 and under current re-evaluation)

I saw the video and I was like - what the heck is that? cool stuff! but NAH!! not really worried about solar storm. Humans have been around for thousands of years. we'll be fine

"If" an EMP was ever launched successfully, I am sure more would follow. An EMP is even more dangerous as it is designed to emit the EMP upon detonation - so a brilliant pebble would be counterproductive.

Yes quite possible that more would follow but I doubt it. Not with our Trident/Seawolf-class submarines with enough nukes to obliterate a rogue nation several times. That's why I strongly believe an attack on USA by a rogue nation is extremely unlikely... like Iran and North Korea. Nobody in their right mind would let a crazed leader to launch an attack on USA. That's the primary reason why Kim Jong-Il is still a dictator even though North Korea is in shamble. He is kept in power by a team of high-ranking senior officials on board. He turned a blind eye on their shrewd affairs as they're goading themselves with money and german cars. Bribery & Corruption are rampant in North Korean government but Kim Jong-Il does not care as long as he's kept in power with his playroom filled with American movies.

His ultimate weapon to keep people from rebelling against him is his massive prison camps housing over 200,000 prisoners. Lot of babies were born in prisons. If you defect to other country, your entire family plus extended families and even your friends will be sent to prison for life.

Now you could run up a different scenario where an attack would be carried out by a terrorist group like Al Queda with no affiliation to any nation. Recall my previous post - you need 2 things... a capability and a means of delivery. This is very difficult things to do. It requires significant training and lot of money - a very easy way to get red-flagged by the government. That's why you see the past several terrorist plots have failed like underwear terrorist... shoe bomber... They were ill-trained and hastily put together to avoid detection by government.

To severely cripple USA with 1-2 bombs? that requires a significant support by a rogue nation.... which we can quickly retaliate with missiles that will hurt them far more than it will hurt us.

 

[Reba]

For the most part, it appears individuals have contingency plans of varying degrees and components.

However, you aren't considering the plans (or lack of them) for your extended families, local communities, states, and nation.

What is the point of you surviving alone on a mountain top? Is that what you really want?

Do we want to survive as a scattering of random mountain men while the rest of the country disintegrates? Or do we have a responsibility to help others thru the struggle?

Do we have a Darwinian "every man for himself, survival of the fittest" outlook, or a Christian "what can I do to help, trusting God" perspective?

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

For the most part, it appears individuals have contingency plans of varying degrees and components.

However, you aren't considering the plans (or lack of them) for your extended families, local communities, states, and nation.

What is the point of you surviving alone on a mountain top? Is that what you really want?

Do we want to survive as a scattering of random mountain men while the rest of the country disintegrates? Or do we have a responsibility to help others thru the struggle?

Do we have a Darwinian "every man for himself, survival of the fittest" outlook, or a Christian "what can I do to help, trusting God" perspective?

Look at 28 Days Later.

That man and his daughter holed themselves in a condo pretty well on their own. At least before they decided to travel to another city...

 

[Reba]

Look at 28 Days Later.

That man and his daughter holed themselves in a condo pretty well on their own. At least before they decided to travel to another city...

I haven't seen that movie. I don't base my life decisions on movies.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

I haven't seen that movie. I don't base my life decisions on movies.

Ah, my apologies.

What I was trying to say... in that case, it would be better to stay put and defend your home until the riots are over.

 

[deafskeptic]

For the most part, it appears individuals have contingency plans of varying degrees and components.

However, you aren't considering the plans (or lack of them) for your extended families, local communities, states, and nation.

What is the point of you surviving alone on a mountain top? Is that what you really want?

Do we want to survive as a scattering of random mountain men while the rest of the country disintegrates? Or do we have a responsibility to help others thru the struggle?

Do we have a Darwinian "every man for himself, survival of the fittest" outlook, or a Christian "what can I do to help, trusting God" perspective?

You raise an excellent point here. While I don't hold with the Christian view, I do hold that it is better for us to help others than to be be alone with a pile of canned meat and beans. People have always done better as a group (ie. families, townships, etc..) because we are social beings.

 

[rockdrummer]

Then, tell us, how you have prepared for this, rockdrummer?

How does one prepare for death. Make your peace with whatever you believe in and kiss your ass goodbye. there is not much else you can do unless you have access to a fallout shelter and even then it's questionable how long life can be sustained.