Do you believe in God?

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**takes deep breath** lets not make this heated, since I have great respect for your intelegence, and your ability to raise intelegent questions and debate well. Please don't brush off my response with WTF. If you don't agree, I am assuming there is a better reason than you just refuse to agree with me. (although it's probably because of how the church treats women, a lot of Christians are bad examples of Christianity)

There were several great women of faith, both in the Old Testement and in the New. Why would God have them great leaders, but then have them keep quiet. Understand that most of the new testement were letters to Churches, True fact. Many of the stuff in those letters were to help those churches to deal with certain problems, also well known true fact.

Wether it meant "whole world" or just the "whole land" is up to you to believe. I can't translate hebrew. that's what the translations are for. People study this for years, debate it over and over again. I am hoping that many Christians do not take their NIV, or NKJV, or NASB, to be true word for word (although I know a few who believe the KJV is the only true translation). I don't. It's a translation from an ancient language, Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. The Bible is true word for word in it's original language. Same can be said for any historical document in an ancient language. "Actual Meaning" verses "Actual word", which is true? the original text and meaning.

I am impressed with the fact that you are not afraid to open the Bible.

Mathew 15:13 He (Jesus) replied, "Every plant that my heavenly Father has not planted will be pulled up by the roots. (14) Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.

Not that all religious teachers are blind guides, but some. In fact, this was in response to how the Pharisees reacted to Jesus' teaching, meaning that some of them were blind guides, cause they were closed to what Jesus was saying.

I do not wish to sound like a pushy Christian, just wish to answer why I believe, not to change anyones opinion, but just to show that I understand most of my belief and do not follow as blindly as many assume I do.
 
Wow! I can see some heat in here. But to tell u the truth every one of you posts all make sense. Believe me I don't understand the bible sometimes cuz honestly I don't read the Bible but that does not make me a bad person. I learn from this thread a lot. I just wanted to thank you all for teaching me. Nobody can say it better than you all can. DreamSlayer, Well said Hon! Angel, Cyberred, VampyroX.. everyone else well said! We all can't always agree on everything each one of you said in here but I don't have a disagreement on anything of any one of you all said in here. I just read and learn in a way keeping an open mind of all the statement you all said in here. *Smile*
 
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Wow! I can see some heat in here. But to tell u the truth every one of you posts all make sense. Believe me I don't understand the bible sometimes cuz honestly I don't read the Bible but that does not make me a bad person. I learn from this thread a lot. I just wanted to thank you all for teaching me. Nobody can say it better than you all can. DreamSlayer, Well said Hon! Angel, Cyberred, VampyroX.. everyone else well said! We all can't always agree on everything each one of you said in here but I don't have a disagreement on anything of any one of you all said in here. I just read and learn in a way keeping an open mind of all the statement you all said in here. *Smile*
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*Smile* I am glad that you learn from this thread. I would suggest you and your sister to try www.chick.com They have many good comics with scriptures in them. I know many deaf people loves to read comics (with cartoon pictures), because deaf people depends on "visual" to help them to understand clear. It also helps them to grow. You may use them along with your bible to read at the same time. I have my own many comic books/regular books/tracts in the past, but I gave them all to my children. Your and Angel's children are welcome to read comics as well. Enjoy to explore at www.chick.com (At that website, they have a free catalog order). :thumb:
 
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i believe there aint no Judgement Day.
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God is all loving, never judgmental.
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No one escapes the judgment.
II Corinthians 5:10, NIV. "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad."

Nothing can be kept hidden in the judgment.
Ecclesiastes 12:14, NIV. "For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil."


You may wonder, 'If life is for learning, why is it so hard at times?' Simply put, through adversity we can test the strength of our soul. The pain of life allows us to really know what it means to be a good and spiritual person.
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Testing gives us a clear opportunity to grow, with God's help. It's in the Bible, Psalm 11:5, TLB. "He puts the righteous and the wicked to the test; He hates those loving violence."


Life on Earth is for our learning, to overcome the old, control-oriented concepts of guilt, sin and fear. Because Mother and Father God love us, we are given many opportunities to live.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, you are talking about reincarnation, right?

As far as I know,we only get one chance.
"Just as man is destined to die once, and after that face judgment"
(Hebrews 9:27)

Why are so many people drawn to reincarnation?
Reincarnation offers hope to many. If we don't get it right in this life, we have another chance the next time around. Yet, even those who believe in reincarnation admit that the vast majority of humans do not remember their previous lives. How can we learn from our past mistakes if we cannot remember them? We seem to make the same mistakes over and over again. Given the moral failure rate of human history, do we have any reason to hope that we will get it right in a future lifetime?
Jesus taught that no one can keep the moral law. The human heart is impure, given to wrong attitudes and actions which are offenses against a loving and absolutely good God. Jesus said he offers us forgiveness as our savior, himself paying for our offenses against God. Jesus spoke of people receiving either eternal reward or eternal punishment according to whether they accept his forgiveness during their ONE lifetime on earth.
Jesus showed his forgiving love even while being executed on a cross. A thief on a cross next to Jesus confessed his sin and asked Jesus to remember him. Jesus responded, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:43).
Only faith in Jesus was required for paradise, not lifetime after lifetime of working off bad karma and building up good karma. As Jesus announced: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).
If the Bible is correct, then why doesn't God allow for reincarnation? Consider that the idea of reincarnation may be flawed at its core.

Mother God? This is new to me. Could you explain your beliefs on her, and what her purpose is? I enjoy learning about what other people believe.
 
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I brought a movie called ' Stigmate '.....One of the BEST movie I ever seen....

It's about a lost soul has just received the wounds of Christ....a shocking message that will after history....The girl who play Frankie Paige is a bold free-spirit with no cares, no worries and absolutely no faith in God...All of that changes when she suddenly begins to suffer the Stigmata---( living wounds of the crucifield Christ )....Bleeding from those miraculous wounds and speaking in an ancident Biblical tongue...But, when a corrupot church official discovers that Frankie is actually channeling an extraoridinary and earth-shattering message that could destroy the Church ...He must silenced her..... Kiernan is another Father who trying to help Frankie risks his life to save her and the message that will rock not only the Roman Catholic Church but the destin of mankind forever.....

' The Kingdom of God is inside you and all around you , not in a building of wood & stone, split a piece of wood, I am Thee, Lift a stone and you will find Me '....
 
Mother God? This is new to me. Could you explain your beliefs on her, and what her purpose is? I enjoy learning about what other people believe.
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The Society of Novus Spiritus is my church to promote a community of people who seek to be guided by the Light and dedicated to living a spiritual life. We encourage everyone to seek the perfection of their soul, meet God on their own terms, and activate their own unique inner spark of divinity. This requires bonding the intellect to the emotion, a process which naturally occurs as we replace centuries of social, cultural, and religious ignorance with knowledge and Light.

Novus Spiritus regards understanding as more important than faith. We find that people today need to satisfy their intellect, in addition to their beliefs, where traditional religions do not address this issue. A lack of understanding can impede one's spiritual growth, for without a solid reason for life, many people will merely say:

"There cannot be a loving God, as evidenced by the pain and suffering in our world."

El - Hebrew for "to be strong"
Elohim - Plural of El
Adonai - "My Lord"
Shaddai - "Almighty"
Elyon - "Most High"
Qadosh - "the Holy One"
Jehovah - mixed form of YHWH and Adonai
OM - Sanskrit word for supreme entity
Brahma - Hindu term for supreme entity
Allah - Islamic term for supreme entity

The bottom line is that God has many names, and it is not very important which language is used. The important fact is to know that He is addressable, however you choose. Novus Spiritus likes to use "OM" as His formal name, and "Father" as an endearment.

>>>Mother God?<<<

Her Name
Does it startle you even to think of a Female God? It should, because our society has been misled (for about 2000 years) and taught that God is only male. How ridiculous! Why would a single, male god make everything in creation as a paired male/female? It is much more sensible that God's creation mirrors Their own image, both male and female.

Does the Bible offer any support for a female counterpart to God? Yes indeed! In fact, a very interesting statement was left in the Bible (Genesis 1:26, The New Jerusalem Bible, 1985) which supports a dualistic nature for God, namely:

"Let us make man in our own image,
in the likeness of ourselves ...."

Pay heed that the above quote uses a plural reference to God. Naturally one wants to know about these other gods. Could it have been a mistake in the Bible? (Even this has not been proposed by the established church.) Or is this a reference to the doctrine of a "triune" God, i.e., the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? No, it cannot be the Trinity either, for that was developed in the New Testament many thousands of years later!

The most simplistic explanation is the obvious one, that there are multiple gods. The exact number of gods is uncertain, but Novus accepts at least two: Om - the Father God, and Azna - the Mother God. We believe that the Gods are paired male/female just like all of creation, and just like the Bible tells us in Genesis.

>>>The Bible<<<
Novus views the Bible as a marvelous book of learning and hope for a (then) tired world. The message of hope is the New Testament, with wonderful truths from a Master. And the Old Testament provides a diary of the path to perfection that awaits every person.

Is the Bible the unaltered word of God? No. It simply cannot be, due to the centuries of social, political, language, and geographical changes. In fact, the current Bible is not even complete. Many books have been deleted in order to preserve the church's power. The most glaring purge was at the Ecumenical Council at Nicaea in 325 ce.
 
Cheri said:
Wow! I can see some heat in here. But to tell u the truth every one of you posts all make sense. Believe me I don't understand the bible sometimes cuz honestly I don't read the Bible but that does not make me a bad person. I learn from this thread a lot. I just wanted to thank you all for teaching me. Nobody can say it better than you all can. DreamSlayer, Well said Hon! Angel, Cyberred, VampyroX.. everyone else well said! We all can't always agree on everything each one of you said in here but I don't have a disagreement on anything of any one of you all said in here. I just read and learn in a way keeping an open mind of all the statement you all said in here. *Smile*
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yeah, i'd say same thing. everyone has different view of point based on this issue, but enjoyed learned to debate with the people. Every person, indeed every sentient being, is like a newspaper reporter. And the main Editor for them all is God. This is the reason for life: to witness for God all of His knowledge. Along the way, we must learn the meaning of being good and to perfect our soul in the process.
 
Wether it meant "whole world" or just the "whole land" is up to you to believe. I can't translate hebrew. that's what the translations are for. People study this for years, debate it over and over again. I am hoping that many Christians do not take their NIV, or NKJV, or NASB, to be true word for word (although I know a few who believe the KJV is the only true translation). I don't. It's a translation from an ancient language, Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. The Bible is true word for word in it's original language. Same can be said for any historical document in an ancient language. "Actual Meaning" verses "Actual word", which is true? the original text and meaning.
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im very Gnostics [meaning "Seeker of Truth"], not Agnostics [meaning "Ignoring Truth"].

It does not matter if people do not believe in God.
One woman came in one day and said, "I do not believe in God." I said, "That's okay, He believes in you." i dont believe GOD would say "it's up to you believe or not". God is love. im children of God.

Only in the New Testament does the word "father" become a proper name for God. This was consistent with Christ's message to the world of a loving God, not the God of wrath as depicted in the Old Testament. Some other names used for God are:

El - Hebrew for "to be strong"
Elohim - Plural of El
Adonai - "My Lord"
Shaddai - "Almighty"
Elyon - "Most High"
Qadosh - "the Holy One"
Jehovah - mixed form of YHWH and Adonai
OM - Sanskrit word for supreme entity
Brahma - Hindu term for supreme entity
Allah - Islamic term for supreme entity

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Novus views the Bible as a marvelous book of learning and hope for a (then) tired world. The message of hope is the New Testament, with wonderful truths from a Master. And the Old Testament provides a diary of the path to perfection that awaits every person.

Is the Bible the unaltered word of God? No. It simply cannot be, due to the centuries of social, political, language, and geographical changes. In fact, the current Bible is not even complete. Many books have been deleted in order to preserve the church's power. The most glaring purge was at the Ecumenical Council at Nicaea in 325 ce.

I always said the Bible is the biggest child’s story ever written by man.
Over the centuries, those in power manipulated the god-fearing masses with the Bible.

by the way, im sorry for saying WTF

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Sometimes, i think It is sad to think that the first few people on earth needed no books, movies, games or music to inspire cold-blooded murder. The day that Cain bashed his brother Abel's brains in, the only motivation he needed was his own human arrange to violence. Whether you interpret the Bible as literature or as the final word of whatever God may be, Christianity has given us an image of death and sexuality that we have based our culture around. A half-naked dead man hangs in most homes and around our necks, and we have just taken that for granted all our lives. Is it a symbol of hope or hopelessness?
 
Elohim! right... that was the hebrew word I was trying to think of. I agree that it does not reffer to the trinity, although a lot of Christians seem to like that idea. Plural yes, because there is more than one? no. Hebrew has a very common practice of taking a singular and making it plural to emphisize the meaning of the word. The fact that the plural is used does not mean there was more than one God. The Jews had no contridictions over howmany Gods there were. It's in their language, I think they would know best. John Calvin recognizes this, as well as several Hebrew students that I know. However, I don't know Hebrew, so I have to rely on the information shown to me.

Is the Bible the unaltered word of God? Your answer was no.
Then my question to you is: Could it be the altered word of God?

Many dates, places and events are supported by history. Which makes it more than just fiction. What if most of it was true, and just some of it was changed by the Church. Should you ignore the truth contained within?

But now I am more curious as to your belief. The pursuit of understanding. The pursuit of understanding what? Your God is pure love, which means even if I continue to believe in the Bible, and my Christian God, I will end up in the same place as you after death? What if I don't want to? Then I would be forced to? or what if I didn't end up in the same place as you? just because I disagreed with you? does that seem fair?

Just curious honest questions. I don't know anything about your church, so I would like to find out more. Peace.
 
Christianity, hope, or hopelessness?
That's an easy one. I find it hard to look around at society and believe that anyone is good enough to say "I deserve to go to heaven. I deserve to be with the Creator. I deserve it." I find it comforting to know that someone paid the price for me. That what I truely deserve has already been dealt out to someone else, out of love for me. That it's not based on deeds, or looks, or how perfect you can live your life, but just the simple fact of saying, I couldn't do it on my own and needed him to do it for me.
That's the hope the cross offers. That no matter how bad things get, no matter what you have done in your past or will do in the future, the simple understanding and belief that He paid for you is what gets you in.
 
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Elohim! right... that was the hebrew word I was trying to think of. I agree that it does not reffer to the trinity, although a lot of Christians seem to like that idea. Plural yes, because there is more than one? no. Hebrew has a very common practice of taking a singular and making it plural to emphisize the meaning of the word. The fact that the plural is used does not mean there was more than one God. The Jews had no contridictions over howmany Gods there were. It's in their language, I think they would know best. John Calvin recognizes this, as well as several Hebrew students that I know. However, I don't know Hebrew, so I have to rely on the information shown to me.

Is the Bible the unaltered word of God? Your answer was no.
Then my question to you is: Could it be the altered word of God?

Many dates, places and events are supported by history. Which makes it more than just fiction. What if most of it was true, and just some of it was changed by the Church. Should you ignore the truth contained within?

But now I am more curious as to your belief. The pursuit of understanding. The pursuit of understanding what? Your God is pure love, which means even if I continue to believe in the Bible, and my Christian God, I will end up in the same place as you after death? What if I don't want to? Then I would be forced to? or what if I didn't end up in the same place as you? just because I disagreed with you? does that seem fair?

Just curious honest questions. I don't know anything about your church, so I would like to find out more. Peace.
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I will include something here for you to read that pretty much explains my belief system. Religion is man made. I folow no religion. I am a spiritual person. I believe in a Creative Power. I think religions have done a huge disservice to the understanding of our true nature. They were designed for one group to have control over another. Spirituality is controled by no group. It is inside all life forms and is the essense of Being. I eat no flesh because I respect all life.

In the Novus Spiritus philosophy, We've study groups throughout the country that we consider to be "mini-churches" bringing like-minded persons together to study and be support for each other. how important the Study Group program is. It really goes beyond just a learning experience. Since knowledge is power, then this program will become a powerful means to enhance your Spirituality.

Novus is a place of learning, growing, and sharing in the Spirit of Christ Consciousness. It is a way to be among people of common beliefs, to understand life, and to provide a means to help others.

As Novus Spiritus grows and spreads worldwide, the Study Groups will
become the primary outlet for our Spiritual teachings. We have great
plans to make Study Groups a vital aspect of the church. Rather than
build structures to meet in, we will rely upon people like you to make a
place of worship and study. I cannot emphasize enough how important you
are to making Novus Spiritus a success.

>>>Death?<<<
Fortunately, the hardship of life does not extend into the reality after physical death, a place we call the 'Other Side.' After 'death,' your soul goes to the Other Side, which is better known as heaven. This place is the true reality, as opposed to the temporal planet Earth. The Other Side is eternal, a place of total harmony, no physical limitations, no problems, and you have a constant awareness of the presence of God. Your identity is intact, you have a body, your personality is carried over (the good aspects), and loving is the normal state of affairs. Life exists in its most wondrous and joyous form on the Other Side. Even though the Other Side is total beauty and happiness, the soul may not be at peace and will still seek to better itself. This seeking drives our urge to enter life on Earth to experience God's knowledge, gaining perfection in the process. Each soul decides how much experience they want. While some may never have a life on Earth, others will choose fifty or more lives. Only you and God will know when you have reached your final level of contentment, and need not return to Earth.
 
Bible- Astrology Zodiac(hidden meanings)


"There will be Signs in The Sun, The Moon, and the Stars..." - Luke: 21:25

"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"
- Genesis 1:14 in King James Version of The Bible

Let me suggest to you that the Twelve Tribes are actually the Twelve Signs of the Zodiac and the Twelve Cranial Nerves of the Human Brain.

Numbers 17:2 " take every one of them a rod according to the house of their father, to the house of their fathers, twelve rods ".

The house would reasonably be considered as a Zodiacal house. This is further substantiated in Job 38:32 where the question is " Can you bring forth Mazzaroth". Mazzaroth is the 12 signs of the zodiac.

So 12 tribes, 12 signs, and there must a a coordinating mark within the human body, since the cosmos as the universal brain is exactly as the human brain.

In the human brain what do we find. Twelve Cranial Nerves. Olfactory, Optic, Motor Oculi, Trochlear, Trifacial, Abducent, Facial, Auditory, Glosso-pharyngeal, Pneumogastric (or Vagus), Spinal accessory, and Hypoglossal.

The 12 tribes in the Book, the 12 signs in the sky, the 12 cranial nerves in us.

Of course. :)
 
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I brought a movie called ' Stigmate '.....One of the BEST movie I ever seen....

It's about a lost soul has just received the wounds of Christ....a shocking message that will after history....The girl who play Frankie Paige is a bold free-spirit with no cares, no worries and absolutely no faith in God...All of that changes when she suddenly begins to suffer the Stigmata---( living wounds of the crucifield Christ )....Bleeding from those miraculous wounds and speaking in an ancident Biblical tongue...But, when a corrupot church official discovers that Frankie is actually channeling an extraoridinary and earth-shattering message that could destroy the Church ...He must silenced her..... Kiernan is another Father who trying to help Frankie risks his life to save her and the message that will rock not only the Roman Catholic Church but the destin of mankind forever.....

' The Kingdom of God is inside you and all around you , not in a building of wood & stone, split a piece of wood, I am Thee, Lift a stone and you will find Me '....
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Oh, yeah I remma that movie. Pretty scary, huh? :)
 
In the Novus Spiritus philosophy, We've study groups throughout the country that we consider to be "mini-churches" bringing like-minded persons together to study and be support for each other. how important the Study Group program is. It really goes beyond just a learning experience. Since knowledge is power, then this program will become a powerful means to enhance your Spirituality.

Novus is a place of learning, growing, and sharing in the Spirit of Christ Consciousness. It is a way to be among people of common beliefs, to understand life, and to provide a means to help others.
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Do you believe in Psychic ? If, so - where does that "Psychic" come from ?
 
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Do you believe in Psychic ? If, so - where does that "Psychic" come from ?
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Spiritual regeneration or regenerating someone's subconscious. I also seem to be able to tap into the Superconscious in time and space and "see" or teach things of a higher order. I do not know how I do it, but I do!

Anyone can be trained to become a psychic, however the result is based upon your celestial identity and your true inner gifts. Its like a runner, you can train anyone to be a professional runner, but the ones born with longer legs will be naturally faster and will win the race.
 
Anyone can be trained to become a psychic, however the result is based upon your celestial identity and your true inner gifts. Its like a runner, you can train anyone to be a professional runner, but the ones born with longer legs will be naturally faster and will win the race.
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Trained to become a psychic ? Who is trainin' to become a psychic ? And, who trained a leader to train others to become a psychic ? To be frankly, I don't believe that the Sun is God. Sun is not an Eternal Life, except God Himself, the Supreme Being...the Everlastin' God with no beginnin' or end. No one upon this earth is a God.

In KJV, Exodus 20:3 - It says "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me". (There's no "Mother God" that God edicted.) God is the Authority. He is the Sovereign God.
 
What if God Choose A Person Cuz that Person is drawn to Him by the Holy Spirits.. accepted Jesus Christ as the person's savior, that Person accepted Him into him or Her heart and immediately… What if that person experienced a passion for Him that could not be quenched by anyone or anything! As His new disciple, each day was a new adventure and his or her passion and love for Him equaled his or her zeal to find where He was each day and follow after Him in complete abandonment! As the weeks went by, He became him or Her whole life, His/Her devotion to Him was undivided and He was his or her complete reason for living. As their friendship grew, The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit, Whom had chosen him or her and given either of them a new life, with a great future! Each day of their new life in Christ, They might experienced what it meant to “be found in Him” and searched for and unearthed new treasures from His word and began to experience fresh revelation that brought new growth and continued to fuel the passion that had for Him. Life went on and from day to glorious day, was so satisfied with Him and content to just, “be His” and follow after His lead... What I want to Know is that possible? Because some People Do not have proof that these things can happen. But , Maybe its the Truth that maybe u weren't choosing to be picked? To tell others about God...Those who don't think God Exits...
 
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