Do we have a challenge ahead of us to avoid becoming Hearing?

jillio said:
Sure, those are charter schools and they are becoming more and more popular. And from what we have seen from their results, they are very successful, particularly with kids who were having problems in the mainstream due to learning differences, etc. But I fail to see what that has to do with blogs being a requirement for a school to receive funding. That is the part I disagreed with.
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Once again, I said that "the blog" is an excellent idea and I was pushing the requirement of having the blog for all parents to "speak" to each other, much like a modern day P.T.A. Setting up this blog requires funding on the local level, I know of no P.T.A. group that is state not fed funded, but donations could be used. This had nothing to do with total funding of all school programs.
Nevertheless, yes I do support not one penny of tax money FROM the state nor fed going to education. This assures parents involvement of their child's education. Today it is all government run and a huge mess.
 
rolling7 said:
Once again, I said that "the blog" is an excellent idea and I was pushing the requirement of having the blog for all parents to "speak" to each other, much like a modern day P.T.A. Setting up this blog requires funding on the local level, I know of no P.T.A. group that is state not fed funded, but donations could be used. This had nothing to do with total funding of all school programs.
Nevertheless, yes I do support not one penny of tax money FROM the state nor fed going to education. This assures parents involvement of their child's education. Today it is all government run and a huge mess.
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That may be what you meant, but it is far from what you said.

Anyone who wants to make a donation to a specific school district is free to do so now. A blog is not necessary. Are you not aware of the many fund raising activities that schools engage in every academic year?

So, you support the lack of accommodations for deaf students, or any other student that needs accommodation. Because, essentially, that is what will happen without state and federal funding being available for education. Not to mention numerous other issues that would have a negative impact on education.

It would not insure parental involvement. Parents that are likely to be involved in their child's education do not base their involvement on funding, but on parental values. More likely than not, it would insure that fewer children receive even an adequate education.
 
jillio said:
If I may...the destination of reaching adulthood as a deaf individual that is capable, well adjusted, and successful. Deaf kids need to see Deaf adults in this position. If they do not, they get the message that Deaf adults do not hold this position in life.

There are anecdotes of deaf children believing they will be hearing when they grow up because they have never seen a deaf adult. Also, children believing that deaf children die before reaching adulthood for the same reason.
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It happens with all disabilities and it is sad

If it wasn't for group therapy(eg swimming lessons,horse riding) and my mother I probably wouldn't have meet another sole with a disability.

My dad still thinks I will grow out of my cerebral palsy and related diffidence

He cant get head round paralympic sport or Deaf/Deafblind community
I feel for his inability to see my life for what it is
 
DeafCaroline said:
Ok, what? Jillio said she heard stories of deaf kids believing they will be hearing when they grow up. Not that they believe they were hearing as kids.


I knew I was deaf as a kid but I did believe I would become hearing as an adult based on two things: I kinda got the message that somehow the better I speak and lipead, the more hearing I would become. Thusly, if I practiced and practiced and tried and tried really really hard, I WOULD become hearing as an adult.

Secondly, there was always talk of "Science is doing amazing things, who know, one day you could be cured!" I believed the hype.

Ever heard of tact? Ever tried to understand where others are coming from based on their experiences? You tell me not to be snotty but frankly my dear, it's you. I would appreciate you putting your nose down for a bit so I can get a break from looking up your nostrils. Just try being nice and kind and sensitive for a change, it won't kill you.
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Snotty? That wasn't my intention. Are you saying you got crushed once you found out you couldn't grow up into a hearing person?? You didn't say anything about whether you go all upset or not as a kid. All you said, in your reply to another poster, was that "I was one of them." Sorry for not realizing you got utterly crushed when you found out you couldn't grow up into a hearing person.
 
rolling7 said:
Once again, I said that "the blog" is an excellent idea and I was pushing the requirement of having the blog for all parents to "speak" to each other, much like a modern day P.T.A. Setting up this blog requires funding on the local level, I know of no P.T.A. group that is state not fed funded, but donations could be used. This had nothing to do with total funding of all school programs.
Nevertheless, yes I do support not one penny of tax money FROM the state nor fed going to education. This assures parents involvement of their child's education. Today it is all government run and a huge mess.
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And if parents can't afford the, let's say, almost $100K a year cost of sending a child to school? Using that figure because it's what my local school, thanks to state and federal funding, pays to send my daughter to a deaf school -- each year. And it's not an amount I could afford myself.
 
kokonut said:
Snotty? That wasn't my intention. Are you saying you got crushed once you found out you couldn't grow up into a hearing person?? You didn't say anything about whether you go all upset or not as a kid. All you said, in your reply to another poster, was that "I was one of them." Sorry for not realizing you got utterly crushed when you found out you couldn't grow up into a hearing person.
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Why are you putting words in my mouth? I never said I got crushed when I found out I would not be able to hear. Saying those were beliefs I did harbour as a young kid. I knew better as I got older.

you're pathetic.
 
StSapphire said:
Don't say that. Some public schools don't suck. I was never a jock (I don't even like watching sports, lol), and I found a place in my schools because I was halfway decent at many things, and really really good at one thing (computers), and I had some teachers who didn't absolutely suck who took that skill and passion and directed it towards succeeding and simultaneously helping others (via demonstrations, teaching them, etc).

Of course, I was in a Montessori school in the local public schools, so I'm aware that I was lucky not to get dumped in <generic public school #33821> and to have teachers who didn't suck.
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Time and place plus skills and possibly social position.

Computers were a science fiction concept when I was in school - Which teachers forbad us to read because it rotted our minds. The only benefit to that was kids who normally would not have learned to read did so just so they could go get their minds rotted. A lot of those kids went on to become scientists.

Tiny black and white TVs were the high tech thing of the day and everyone knew it was going to suck the brains of the nation down the toilet.

Chugga Chugga.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Why are you putting words in my mouth? I never said I got crushed when I found out I would not be able to hear. Saying those were beliefs I did harbour as a young kid. I knew better as I got older.

you're pathetic.
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Ok. It was a belief of yours when you were little. And I'm saying for me, I didn't have that belief because I already knew I'd still have my hearing loss as I got older. It's not hard to believe that some deaf/hh kids would think they'd grow up and become hearing.

:dunno:
 
shel90 said:
Language delay is when one is at least 2 years behind in hitting the milestones for language development.

Language deficits is when there are gaps in one's language meaning one has the ability to converse in social settings but unable to retell what happened int heir day or in stories.

With language delays..there are no gaps in each stage of development...just that one is lagging behind their counterparts.

With language deficits...gaps in cognitive process therefore retarding their brain development. Those are much much much harder to overcome and most of the time the children who get referred to deaf schools after falling behind have deficits so even if they learn ASL...their ability to think critically has been so seriously comromised from so many years of not having access to language and communication in their environment.


Then, it becomes an ugly and vicious cycle...people start blaming the deaf schools for children who have poor literacy skills without really finding out why..just automatically equate....deaf schools= poor literacy skills.
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Thank you. I am going to cogitate on that for a while.

Sounds like a typical authoritarian solution.

First you screw up the situation until no one can even understand the problem let alone solve it.

Then you pass the problem to a fall guy and tell them to fix it.

If the fall guy fixes it - the person who gave it to them gets the credit.

If they don't fix it - the fall guy gets the blame.
 
jillio said:
That may be what you meant, but it is far from what you said.

Anyone who wants to make a donation to a specific school district is free to do so now. A blog is not necessary. Are you not aware of the many fund raising activities that schools engage in every academic year?

So, you support the lack of accommodations for deaf students, or any other student that needs accommodation. Because, essentially, that is what will happen without state and federal funding being available for education. Not to mention numerous other issues that would have a negative impact on education.

It would not insure parental involvement. Parents that are likely to be involved in their child's education do not base their involvement on funding, but on parental values. More likely than not, it would insure that fewer children receive even an adequate education.
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Everything you said is an excuse.

Yes, I said what I meant but you did not read it as what I meant, only what you want it to mean.

A "donation" and "fund raising" are two different things, a world apart. But you knew that!

Federal and state funding would not be necessary today if parents (read: taxpayers) took back control of the education system. I could spend a whole day explaining that "backdoor" my grandfather was speaking of and how his point really came about that the government would take over the educational system. To be short, he was right and we all are paying the price for those before us having apathy as a whole.
Do the people, do the parents, do the taxpayers of today want to continue apathy and continue this huge mess of the education system, the budget, etc. that the government has given us? So best as I can see, they do and therefore this huge mess is their making because they are allowing it.

For the child that needs accommodation, and not necessary the deaf only, the local school is responsible for that. I won't go on-and-on with a solution. The base is there will be a need for "special schools" BUT funding comes from the total local level, meaning each local school district that sends a child is responsible for that child in each and every need. HOWEVER, the local school retains oversite. Today's state school? The state had all the power and authority and even receives federal funding which allows the government to have even more power and authority. Good luck for a concern parent getting in a word otherwise. Which in turn leads to apathy. “If there is not a pill for it, there is the government."
 
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kokonut said:
Not me. I knew I had a hearing loss and I knew I wasn't like my mother, father, and my siblings when I was a very young boy.
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kokonut said:
Ok. It was a belief of yours when you were little. And I'm saying for me, I didn't have that belief because I already knew I'd still have my hearing loss as I got older. It's not hard to believe that some deaf/hh kids would think they'd grow up and become hearing.

:dunno:
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Then why didn't you respond to jillio directly instead of quoting me and then posting like "well, I'm not. so there." You completely ignored that I had those beliefs because they were fed to me when I was very little and the impact this had on me as a very young child. And just responded with ..."not me. nah nah nah."

You are seriously a bonafide jerk. how can you possibly expect anyone to consider what you say and respond with consideration for your POV when you won't do them the same favour? Instead, you act superior to everyone and imply they just don't know better then wonder why they don't react well and are attacking innocent little kokonut who didn't say anything wrong, just that he's stating his own opinion, "is that not allowed?" while he sidesteps any question that could possibly force him to take an actual stance.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Then why didn't you respond to jillio directly instead of quoting me and then posting like "well, I'm not. so there." You completely ignored that I had those beliefs because they were fed to me when I was very little and the impact this had on me as a very young child. And just responded with ..."not me. nah nah nah."

I think you're misplacing a lot on what I wrote. I already said that wasn't my intention. You had that belief. Fine.

You are seriously a bonafide jerk. how can you possibly expect anyone to consider what you say and respond with consideration for your POV when you won't do them the same favour? Instead, you act superior to everyone and imply they just don't know better then wonder why they don't react well and are attacking innocent little kokonut who didn't say anything wrong, just that he's stating his own opinion, "is that not allowed?" while he sidesteps any question that could possibly force him to take an actual stance.
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Maybe take things into stride instead would be a better option? After all, this is the internet.
 
rolling7 said:
When a child's parent does it that is neglect..When society accept it regardless..that is apathy.

Many years ago before the government took over, schools were control by parents participation. Once again, look at the huge mess the government made (with apathy of the people)

Mandatory attendance was made a legal concept because a small number of parents did not control their kid's attendance. The lack of parents discipline brought about this concept.

My grandfather and grandmother used a belt when necessary. My mother and my father used a belt when necessary. And I know all my cousins would say the same thing. You can't find a "bad" among any of us. You, the government nor anybody else should have a say in child discipline.....child abuse yes but of all the many, many times I and my cousins got the belt, never once came close to abuse.
You are entitle to you opinion but keep it in your head our a public forum, don't dare right to tel parents how to discipline their child.
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Such a tough guy. :roll:
 
kokonut said:
Maybe take things into stride instead would be a better option? After all, this is the internet.
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Then maybe you should do the same for some of the people who posted on your blog disagreeing with you and you told them they're not welcomed. Practice what you preach. Oh yeah, I forgot, you don't.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Then maybe you should do the same for some of the people who posted on your blog disagreeing with you and you told them they're not welcomed. Practice what you preach. Oh yeah, I forgot, you don't.
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Huh? That person had a history of making personal attacks on me and my family in his blogsite. That's where I draw the line. That is the only person not welcomed for obvious reasons. (addendum: actually, there are two and for the same reason, too).

You got off on the wrong side of the bed this morning or what?
 
kokonut said:
Huh? That person had a history of making personal attacks on me and my family in his blogsite. That's where I draw the line. That is the only person not welcomed for obvious reasons. (addendum: actually, there's two and for the same reason).

You got off on the wrong side of the bed this morning or what?
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Nope, just drawing the line.
 
rolling7 said:
This is for the parents and should be set up by them and managed by them, much like a modern day P.T.A. Keep the federal and states hands out of this. But it does not hurt to ask for a donation, it would be the first good thing Bill Gates did for Americans after getting rich off them.
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Uh... you might want to spend a bit of time googling "Bill Gates Philanthropy". Or pick some other rich guy to pick on (I recommend Trump, that guy's both a moronic jackass and especially non-philanthropic compared to other hyper-rich people.

sallylou said:
When I'm attached to another person, I don't consider the other person different even though there are obvious differences. I suppose that it comes from accepting another person.
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:hmm: :buttsex:

berry said:
Time and place plus skills and possibly social position.
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Oh yes, I'm well aware that my good experience was greatly greatly enhanced by the fact that I just ended up being very lucky, which is why I'm a huge supporter of fixing and improving the public school system so that hopefully others can have as good of luck with it as I had.
 
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