Designing A Hearing Baby

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jillio said:
No one here has ever said that a child with a CI cannot be a happy individual.
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Right...I see that daily..many happy CI users. *shrug*
 
Grummer said:
hmmm Jill,
"No one here has ever said that a child with a CI cannot be a happy individual."

I'd be careful saying that, inconsistency weaken the arguement and its of course DARE I say it, there's always a 'but'....for happiness.

It is only a matter of time, for change, since happiness is not eternal as it is can not be a static description to describe a person. More so, why should we be concerned if the CI does not affect a person's happiness. We already know why, on the surface, unhappiness stems from being different, and the what we all already know, and need to articulate on this more (this is an entirely another floodgate of discussions).
That the pace of change from childhood to teenagehood to adulthood in respect of keeping up with the cohorts, as well as how 'genuine' are the reciprocality from the cohorts. The struggle to facilitate and experience this inter-relationships with cohorts through the growing stages of life is not without barriers and nor without stigma and marginalisation.

These aspects leads to unhappiness, History repeats itself.
Afterall, itsn't that what we trying to help others to be aware of ?

Of course you are concerned for the unhappiness, it will happen, Lotte maybe be 'happy' now and is *lucky* to be in a *nice* background with affluent parents, but this only goes so far.
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Ahh, but my point was Grummer, that no one here has ever said "cannot be happy", but the evidence points to the fact that it is not the CI that has anything to do with it.:cool: I'm sure you get my meaning.

More often we are told that a deaf child cannot succeed and achieve, nor interact with the hearing community, without CI.
 
jillio said:
Ahh, but my point was Grummer, that no one here has ever said "cannot be happy", but the evidence points to the fact that it is not the CI that has anything to do with it.:cool: I'm sure you get my meaning.
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That's why it is very important to teach these children to be tolerate and accepting of each other whether they have a CI, can speak, cant speak, dont have a CI, wear HAs, or use ASL only. What goes on with our ears and mouth is not the only determining factor to our happiness.
 
shel90 said:
That's why it is very important to teach these children to be tolerate and accepting of each other whether they have a CI, can speak, cant speak, dont have a CI, wear HAs, or use ASL only. What goes on with our ears and mouth is not the only determining factor to our happiness.
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Bingo!
 
shel90 said:
That's why it is very important to teach these children to be tolerate and accepting of each other whether they have a CI, can speak, cant speak, dont have a CI, wear HAs, or use ASL only. What goes on with our ears and mouth is not the only determining factor to our happiness.
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Actually I'd have to add that it is very important to give the child confidence in himself so he is able to ignore the nasty/ignorant people he'll encounter as he goes through life. It is a more difficult task with a shy child.
 
jag said:
Actually I'd have to add that it is very important to give the child confidence in himself so he is able to ignore the nasty/ignorant people he'll encounter as he goes through life. It is a more difficult task with a shy child.
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How would you go about doing that for a deaf child in an all hearing environment?
 
Nope Nope neecy, you don't get it.
Care to show us where anyone has said that a child with a CI cannot be a happy individual?
 
neecy said:
Thank you, Rick and yes I TOTALLY get it. Unfortunately, there are so many others who can't comprehend what you and I, Cloggy and some others see.
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I'm tired of this ass kissing around here, the truth needs to be revels, therefore nobody in here had stated that an implanted child cannot be happy.
 
Cloggy said:
Sure JT.... I only see the deafness in my child....

Lotte: "Can you hear the birds?" - Jillio: "You cannot hear !"
Lotte: "I can hear the car coming from the right..?" - Jillio: "You cannot possibly hear that, you are deaf!"
Lotte: "They tease me for speaking Dutch!" - Jillio: No, they tease you because you are deaf. You need to accept your deafness!"
Lotte: "I am going to visit my friends." - Jillio: "You should only visit deaf friends."

Lotte: "Dad, grandma on the phone. She wants to talk to you.."
Cloggy: "Cannot come to the phone right now. Can you take the message?"
Lotte: "Sure".... "Hi grandma. How are you doing.?" "Daddy cannot come to the phone right now. Can I help you??"
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Use your common sense and try to open your mind please.
 
neecy said:
I don't see it as making fun at all, rather restating a very true feeling that some of us are getting from those who are so against the idea that a child with a CI can be a happy individual.
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:confused: Can you please show us where have we denied that child with a CI is happy individual because I didn't find it?

Bringing sign-language back into the picture, I know sign, I have used it. I no longer use it as a personal choice (no need for it) but that doesn't mean I'm denying my deaf identity (I know that when my CI comes off, I'm still biologically deaf,) and it doesn't mean that I'm trying to fool myself or other people into believing I am something I'm not.
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You are an adult and have your own choice either you want to use sign language or not. This is a difference.


Why not back off Cloggy and let him and his wife, as the PARENTS, make the decisions they feel are in the best interest of Lotte without all the constant bickering and mudslinging? Is it such an alien concept that in this day and age, with the backing of science, the education of parents and teachers, and a better understanding of deafness in the general public, that Lotte will grow up HAPPY,and will discover her own identity -and it doesn't have to be a "deaf" or a "hearing" identity either - it will be a combination of what works best for HER and what makes her happiest. I find it mindblowing that people can look at the picture of an obviously happy, well adjusted child and sit for weeks trying to tear apart reasons why the child should be unhappy, or might be unhappy in the future. The strangest thing is why so many people seem to view Lotte's happiness, and her success at learning language as a threat.
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Again, can you show us please where have we bickering and mudslinging Cloggy over his daughter etc because I didn't find it?

As what you advised us to back off Cloggy and let him & his wife as the parents and make their own decision what they think the best interest for Lotto... :confused: I only see is we tried to positive our advice/tip/opinion/feedback. I thought Cloggy come to this forum to learn about deaf culture, isn't he? We all need to open our mind to accept the fact that there're negative and positive posts sometimes and use our common sense. You cannot expect that there're 100% positive all the time... I find good when Cloggy positive her daughter to us as the same as we positive him about our deaf culture as well... Cloggy need to accept BOTH sides between hearing Experts and real life experiences of deaf people instead of ONE side.
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Cheri said:
I'm tired of this ass kissing around here, the truth needs to be revels, therefore nobody in here had stated that an implanted child cannot be happy.
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:lol: May I kiss your ass? :bowdown:
 
Cloggy said:
Or could it be that since the first time of a childs life, hearing is very important in order to develop speech. Starting to hear will delay that phase for 1 to 3 years, so speech therapy is used to catch up...

After all, people that became deaf later in life and used CI speak without any problems...... According to your thinking, that indicates that "CI gives perfect hearing".....
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No, I still don't think that CI gives perfect hearing. If CI does give perfect hearing, the child wouldn't need any speech therapy ever. The late-deafened adults don't count as they already know how to pronounce before they lost hearing.

Mod: please delete this duplicate post as I can't figure out how to delete this one. Would be nice to add a delete button to save you time. :)
 
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