Designing A Hearing Baby

[jillio]

Too bad, because none of you, including the author herself can explain her post (#38):

"The same way a parent tries to make their child hearing...through surgical intervention and lingustic restrictions."

You are a group that I am glad that I am not a part of but perhaps you (plural not just singualar), in your infinite wisdom, can tell us the surgical intervention that makes a child hearing?

I know its not the cochlear implant for children are deaf before the operation adn are deaf afterwards.

You are more confused than you realize, rick.

I already explained that post. In fact, if you were capable of reading and understanding, you would see that the post you refer to is self explanatory. Are the big words puzzling you? And, if you had any interest in floowing the discussion rather than simply attempting to boost your own ego through you attempts at bullying and intimidation, youwould see that deafskeptics remarks were not in reference to that particular post. Come on, try to keep up with the topic.

 

[Cloggy]

1. You need to get your information straight. cloggy. Your search techniques are lacking.

2. To whom are you referring when speak of someone who used HA and now uses CI?

3. Implantation does not automatically confer expertise in the psycho-social, educational, and liguistic implications of implantation in deaf children.

 

[jillio]

You interpreted my post in the wrong way.

I has nothing to against CI but health system. We expect that they should treat CI and HA users equally. They should respect our decision for pick CI or HA instead of consider only CI.

Ha, you has no clue how much I have to acheive to pay batteries for my HA because you don´t need to pay battery. Can you please count how much batteries cost for a year? I rather to spend money on family pleasure, our future, trips, foods, drink etc over batteries because they are important to me. :roll:

Public health insurance system think that we would give our HA up to consider CI because they are 100% gratis. The people who want to have CI then they will get it as soon as they can and then send them to luxury spa resort up for 5 to 7 weeks treatment including speech/hear therapies, etc every 2 years... Do you think I would jump for that gratis? No I rather to follow my heart what I really want... I am me... I spend a lot of money on batteries and save the recipes for tax refund but I didn´t get tax refund very much for that batteries... what a waste... I can get tax refund when I use gasoline for travel to work and acompany my children to doctor, etc. % of tax refund on gasoline for car is better profit than batteries. My hubby & I fought with Public Health Insurance with the help from lawyer but it doesn´t work so we decide for important things over batteries. We do not regret our decision and happy what we are.

Cloggy and rick are not interpreting the posts the wrong way. They simply cannot particiapte in a discussion regarding the psycho-social implications of deafness becasue they do not have the knowledge to do so. All they can concentrate on is implantation and what a wonderful thing it is. Their focus is so limited that the only issue they consider is how much a child can hear and communciate orally. They are both too narrow minded to recognize that there is so much more tot he discussion. But that is only evidence of their audist attitudes. They refuse to see that deafness is not just the impairment of an indiviudals hearing. They are threatened by the fact that their children are deaf, and no matter what surgical intervention they choose for that child, their child will always be deaf. They both have issues, and they obviously have not reached a level of maturity necessary to develop empathy and understanding of that which is not exactly the same as they themselves are. It is useless to attempt to explain to either one of them the reality of the situation, or to offer them information that could improve their understanding and enrich their lives. To some people, ignorance is bliss, and these two posters are a perfect example of that. And they wonder why the deaf community has negative attitudes of hearing people. All they need to do is look in a mirror.

 

[jillio]

What, cloggy? Can't answer the questions?

 

[Cloggy]

What, cloggy? Can't answer the questions?

Dementia and Altzheimer setting in early - is it Jillio...??

Go back, read, and you will find out you didn't ask any questions. You just made some insinuations.

 

[jillio]

Dementia and Altzheimer setting in early - is it Jillio...??

Go back, read, and you will find out you didn't ask any questions. You just made some insinuations.

There's the problem....you can't read! #2 is a specific question. Notice the way it is phrased and the ? at the end.

 

[deafskeptic]

Arent there many adults who got CIs at a later age that have benefitted from them? This is what makes it confusing...if it is too late then why are there many CI users here on this board so happy about it and saying that they can hear better with it than their HAs? My aide got her CI 5 years ago and she said she can hear with it like a powerful HA. Of course I dont know wht she means by that since I dont have a CI but I can only assume that she is hearing better with it despite getting implanted at the age of 30?

It's never too late to get benefit from a CI but you're unlikely to get as much benefit from the CI as you would if you were implanted when you're younger.

 

[Tousi]

It's never too late to get benefit from a CI but you're unlikely to get as much benefit from the CI as you would if you were implanted when you're younger.

Unless you were late-deafened at, ummm, say, age 28...auditory memory would be a powerful factor.

 

[Gemma]

It's never too late to get benefit from a CI but you're unlikely to get as much benefit from the CI as you would if you were implanted when you're younger.

I totally agree with this. I got implanted 3 years ago and I know I am not reaping as much as these younger people - for example, my deaf niece got implanted at age 4, she shows remarkably more benefits than I do.

That is why this debate is fascinating to me - I feel that most people are missing the point that the younger the one recieves a CI, the MORE benefits that person will recieve but so many deaf parents say Wait until they are old enough to tell me - but by then (that is if they do), they will miss out on these crucial years of brain/language development.

I am only interested to see that ALL deaf people get ALL tools and figure out which tool works..frankly I am tired of reading or hearing how people argue that this tool works better or that works better whereas only one person will ever know..which is that user. Perspectives will always be colored if looking at that person - only that person will know if it works or not. It involves so many aspects - some overlapping, some not...it is virtually impossible to determine if it will work for that particular person based on another person's experience so I think it is time that people stop arguing and work together!!!!!!!!!

 

[deafskeptic]

Unless you were late-deafened at, ummm, say, age 28...auditory memory would be a powerful factor.

Well, yeah that's true. I have poor auditory memory.

 

[shel90]

I totally agree with this. I got implanted 3 years ago and I know I am not reaping as much as these younger people - for example, my deaf niece got implanted at age 4, she shows remarkably more benefits than I do.

That is why this debate is fascinating to me - I feel that most people are missing the point that the younger the one recieves a CI, the MORE benefits that person will recieve but so many deaf parents say Wait until they are old enough to tell me - but by then (that is if they do), they will miss out on these crucial years of brain/language development.

I am only interested to see that ALL deaf people get ALL tools and figure out which tool works..frankly I am tired of reading or hearing how people argue that this tool works better or that works better whereas only one person will ever know..which is that user. Perspectives will always be colored if looking at that person - only that person will know if it works or not. It involves so many aspects - some overlapping, some not...it is virtually impossible to determine if it will work for that particular person based on another person's experience so I think it is time that people stop arguing and work together!!!!!!!!!

What do u mean the child will miss out on crucial years of language development? What about ASL?

 

[Cloggy]

There's the problem....you can't read! #2 is a specific question. Notice the way it is phrased and the ? at the end.

Poor Jillio....
But like you stated elsewhere.... some people need to be shocked....

Here's Post#2...

I think Sweetmind already posted this? You can read her thread which was closed (surprise surprise) to get an idea of how people feel about it.

Well, all I can say it's controversial whether a baby is implanted at 6 months or at age 3 and sometimes even when the deaf person is an adult making their own choice. You can't make everyone or every group happy in life as we are all very diverse. I'd say research whatever you do extensively and make an informed choice that is best for you, your family and your child.

I did notice the phrasing, but have a hard time finding the "?" at the end. I cannot see the question you are talking about, but then, English is not my first language. But then again, I don't think the problem is on my side.

Now, please... find a specialist.

 

[Cloggy]

I totally agree with this. I got implanted 3 years ago and I know I am not reaping as much as these younger people - for example, my deaf niece got implanted at age 4, she shows remarkably more benefits than I do.

That is why this debate is fascinating to me - I feel that most people are missing the point that the younger the one recieves a CI, the MORE benefits that person will recieve but so many deaf parents say Wait until they are old enough to tell me - but by then (that is if they do), they will miss out on these crucial years of brain/language development.

I am only interested to see that ALL deaf people get ALL tools and figure out which tool works..frankly I am tired of reading or hearing how people argue that this tool works better or that works better whereas only one person will ever know..which is that user. Perspectives will always be colored if looking at that person - only that person will know if it works or not. It involves so many aspects - some overlapping, some not...it is virtually impossible to determine if it will work for that particular person based on another person's experience so I think it is time that people stop arguing and work together!!!!!!!!!

Gemma,
Thanks for sharing that personal experience.
I hope to hear more about your and your nieces experiences. Perhaps in your own thread.

What do u mean the child will miss out on crucial years of language development? What about ASL?

I'm sure she meant hearing and speech, considering Gemma is talking about CI.
You didn't get that?

 

[Cloggy]

Unless you were late-deafened at, ummm, say, age 28...auditory memory would be a powerful factor.

True. Whenever language has been established, the auditory memory would be an important factor. So, even children at age 6 do really well.

 

[Gemma]

What do u mean the child will miss out on crucial years of language development? What about ASL?

shel - I am referring to speech and listening.

Because I have an older deaf brother, my mother was especially alert to see if I am deaf as well when I was first born. Due to that, they gave me HAs, put me in speech therapy and lipreading sessions at age of 12 months. Back in 1968, that was an unusual experiement because they didnt catch hearing losses early enough to implement early intervention in pre-lingually stage.

Thus I was the youngest child in California history to begin early invention. There were a few articles on me. How they got me to cooperate was to give me a piece of sugary cereal for every sound I made, etc. Did I like it? No but I didnt understand. I hated every minute of these daily sessions but I am grateful to this day that I was given the opportunity.

Anyhow, if anyone can compare me and my brother due to early intervention, it is clearly obvious that I benefitted a great deal more than him in terms of lipreading and speech as he didnt start until age of 2.

My brother decided to implant his deaf daughter at age 4 - he was conflicted - he thought he would let his daughter grow up to decide but he realized that his daughter would miss out so much as all young children develop languages so quickly in parallel to their brain development - whether it is speech or even ASL. He is allowing his daughter to learn ASL so his daughter could have all tools which my brother and I didnt have.

I didnt learn ASL until in my late 20s so that is why I cannot grasp ASL as fast as I would like to because my brain is not working quickly as when I was much much younger. I still stumble over it. I am sure it would be the other way around for someone who had to start learning lipreading or speech in late 20s too.

I do wish I was given ALL tools - that is why I really advocate for it because there is no such thing as the perfect tool but there is a such thing as right timing, to be given all tools at a very young age.

Just wish that there is no black or white here...we all would benefit so much if everyone looks in the gray area.

 

[deafskeptic]

Your brother implanted his daughter? I wonder how the local deaf community reacted to that one. My only concern is that the daughter gets the full toolbox and I think it's really AWESOME she's getting it.

 

[shel90]

Gemma,
Thanks for sharing that personal experience.
I hope to hear more about your and your nieces experiences. Perhaps in your own thread.


I'm sure she meant hearing and speech, considering Gemma is talking about CI.
You didn't get that?[/QUOTE]

Would rather ask before making assumptions.

 

[Gemma]

Your brother implanted his daughter? I wonder how the local deaf community reacted to that one. My only concern is that the daughter gets the full toolbox and I think it's really AWESOME she's getting it.

Yes it caused a lot of negative talks but both my brother and his ex wife dismissed all (she is deaf too) and wanted to give her all tools.


Thus she seems comfortable in both worlds. At least she has all communication tools to pick one out when communicating with anyone, whether it be a hearing or deaf person. Her CI may not have worked but at least she had sign language to fall on but it sems to be working for her so far. She is now 13.

So why cant all deaf babies be given all tools and see which one he/she benefits most from? If all, great, if not at least have something. Why forbid a child a CI and insist on ASL only or forbid a child to learn ASL but rely on CI? Cant they have all? Let them experiment and see what happens down the road. It is a long journey.

 

[shel90]

shel - I am referring to speech and listening.

Because I have an older deaf brother, my mother was especially alert to see if I am deaf as well when I was first born. Due to that, they gave me HAs, put me in speech therapy and lipreading sessions at age of 12 months. Back in 1968, that was an unusual experiement because they didnt catch hearing losses early enough to implement early intervention in pre-lingually stage.

Thus I was the youngest child in California history to begin early invention. There were a few articles on me. How they got me to cooperate was to give me a piece of sugary cereal for every sound I made, etc. Did I like it? No but I didnt understand. I hated every minute of these daily sessions but I am grateful to this day that I was given the opportunity.

Anyhow, if anyone can compare me and my brother due to early intervention, it is clearly obvious that I benefitted a great deal more than him in terms of lipreading and speech as he didnt start until age of 2.

My brother decided to implant his deaf daughter at age 4 - he was conflicted - he thought he would let his daughter grow up to decide but he realized that his daughter would miss out so much as all young children develop languages so quickly in parallel to their brain development - whether it is speech or even ASL. He is allowing his daughter to learn ASL so his daughter could have all tools which my brother and I didnt have.

I didnt learn ASL until in my late 20s so that is why I cannot grasp ASL as fast as I would like to because my brain is not working quickly as when I was much much younger. I still stumble over it. I am sure it would be the other way around for someone who had to start learning lipreading or speech in late 20s too.

I do wish I was given ALL tools - that is why I really advocate for it because there is no such thing as the perfect tool but there is a such thing as right timing, to be given all tools at a very young age.

Just wish that there is no black or white here...we all would benefit so much if everyone looks in the gray area.

Ok thanks for clarifying.

That's why I believe in the BiBi approach using both sign and spoken languages. As for hearing devices, I dont have deaf children so I cant pass judgement on people who decide to or to not implant their children. I have always said and still do that it is the family's business and decision. I just dont want any deaf children to get deprived of language..that's my agenda.

 

[Gemma]

Ok thanks for clarifying.

That's why I believe in the BiBi approach using both sign and spoken languages. As for hearing devices, I dont have deaf children so I cant pass judgement on people who decide to or to not implant their children. I have always said and still do that it is the family's business and decision. I just dont want any deaf children to get deprived of language..that's my agenda.

Now this is where I have to be careful - dont want to assume - what is your definition of language? Deprived of what language?