Declaration of Occupy Wall Street

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Reba said:
I did. I posted it. It was an eye-witness account from one of the participants. The Boston Tea Party events happened over a few hours on the ships in the harbor, and the immediate harbor area. No one was raped or killed. No houses were burnt. No slaves were stolen.


Why are you mixing up the Boston Tea Party with other events? That's squishy history at best, and intellectual dishonesty at worst.
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Ummm, in the article you posted, it did mention that they let an elderly man escape. That is a loaded statement, isn't it? Just because there are no other first-person accounts of more violence doesn't mean it didn't occur.
 
DeafCaroline said:
intellectual dishonesty...ok, whatever you prefer to think. it was a very violent time and there was violence against the settlers, slaves, patriots, loyalists, crimes were committed, rape happened, property theft and damage did indeed happen. Yet somehow in the midst of of all this, there was a very civillized affair of several men boarding a ship and throwing tea overboard, and everyone else in the city of Boston that night behaved beautifully, no one got angry or yelled or hit each other. Is that what you believe?
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I don't usually operate on "well yea you know war is hell. anything can happen." I'd prefer to operate on factual and documented if I were to make a claim because I would hate to spread wrong information to people.

that's why we know for sure that something happened such as Holocaust, humanitarian crisis at Haiti refuge tent city, etc. So I didn't say you're making it up and I didn't say it's not true that it happened. I'm just asking for source to read more about it. I'm not concerned with whether or not if it happened. The question is - is it documented?

So throw me a bone. I can't find any.
 
Jiro said:
I don't usually operate on "well yea you know war is hell. anything can happen." I'd prefer to operate on factual and documented if I were to make a claim because I would hate to spread wrong information to people.

that's why we know for sure that something happened such as Holocaust, humanitarian crisis at Haiti refuge tent city, etc. So I didn't say you're making it up and I didn't say it's not true that it happened. I'm just asking for source to read more about it. I'm not concerned with whether or not if it happened. The question is - is it documented?

So throw me a bone. I can't find any.
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But sometimes you have to read between the lines, especially if no documentation is available. That means having a sizable general knowledge of the whole subject, and I have a feeling DeafCaroline qualifies, since she knows history.
 
Jiro said:
I don't usually operate on "well yea you know war is hell. anything can happen." I'd prefer to operate on factual and documented if I were to make a claim.

that's why we know for sure that something happened such as Holocaust, humanitarian crisis at Haiti refuge tent city, etc. So I didn't say you're making it up and I didn't say it's not true that it happened. I'm just asking for source to read more about it.

So throw me a bone. I can't find any.
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then you might find this book an interesting read: [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Defiance-Patriots-Boston-Making-America/dp/0300117051]Amazon.com: Defiance of the Patriots: The Boston Tea Party and the Making of America (9780300117059): Benjamin L. Carp: Books[/ame]
 
Beowulf said:
But sometimes you have to read between the lines, especially if no documentation is available. That means having a sizable general knowledge of the whole subject, and I have a feeling DeafCaroline qualifies, since she knows history.
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it would be different story if she was a historian or researcher on that subject if I were to totally rely on one's words.
 
Jiro said:
it would be different story if she was a historian or researcher on that subject if I were to totally rely on one's words.
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It comes down to credibility. All in all, DeafCaroline fits the bill, although I do not swallow everything anyone says, you know? I certainly do not trust official versions of events.
 
Beowulf said:
It comes down to credibility. All in all, DeafCaroline fits the bill, although I do not swallow everything anyone says, you know? I certainly do not trust official versions of events.
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oh it's not the credibility I'm concerned about because I know she's not lying but I'm just questioning the validity of it. After all... we're humans. Since we're not an expert on that subject such as professor or researcher.... our memories can be unreliable or fuzzy since it's been a long while when we graduated from college :giggle:

I don't typically doubt professor or researcher for inaccuracy because well - they wouldn't lie otherwise they'll lose their job and also.. well it's their job to study about it so they definitely do remember everything to the letter better than they can remember their SO's birthday or anniversary date :giggle:
 
Jiro said:
this book will discuss about


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I already said a few posts back that I should have clarified I was referring to the time period during which the Boston Tea Party happened. Why are you still harping on this?
 
DeafCaroline said:
I already said a few posts back that I should have clarified I was referring to the time period during which the Boston Tea Party happened. Why are you still harping on this?
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so... why bring it up? to justify OWS' cause?
 
Jiro said:
so... why bring it up? to justify OWS?
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what do you think? That i'm saying OWS is ok because there was violence up to the Revolution? That would contradict with what i said earlier that I don't approve of what some of the OWS participants are doing.

So, why ask if I am attempting to use it to justify OWS? - it's a cause, a movement. It's a reaction to Wall Street. That doesn't mean I approve of how some protestors behaved.
 
I didn't realize the 1% flipped burgers at BK....

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Saving Wall Street as they watch main street fail.
 
DeafCaroline said:
what do you think? That i'm saying OWS is ok because there was violence up to the Revolution? That would contradict with what i said earlier that I don't approve of what some of the OWS participants are doing.

So, why ask if I am attempting to use it to justify OWS? - it's a cause, a movement. It's a reaction to Wall Street. That doesn't mean I approve of how some protestors behaved.
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of course not you don't approve of this criminal behavior but overlooking that, you and deafskeptic support OWS because it's a civil disobedience and it's for the greater good. But I would not go as far as describing similarity between OWS and Boston Tea Party. Not even close. No way. I strongly disagree.

and I also strongly disagree with OWS's act of civil disobedience. Like I said before - they need to disband now and stop jeopardizing public safety and our tax money for the sake of their disorganized, dysfunctional, and confusing cause. If you look at past acts of civil disobedience... they all had a leader and a crystal-clear purpose. and this one? nothing but a bunch of disorganized ass-grabastic "gimme gimme gimme" "where's my job/bailout?" lazy hypocrites who want to work easy for more pay.

Isn't it shameless that it took only one simple video of Anonymous man wearing Guy Fawkes mask with a clear message for Zetas cartel to release their comrade? Nobody died. Nobody got hurt. Their comrade was returned safely in a couple days.

Two months and so far... OWS hasn't been able to produce an effective result, convince the public to snap out of ignorance and get the politicians to start talking about it. OWS has failed. Stop now before any more people get hurt.
 
So OWS is made up of nothing but gimme gimme gimme people who wants bailouts/jobs.

I see.
 
DeafCaroline said:
So OWS is made up of nothing but gimme gimme gimme people who wants bailouts/jobs.

I see.
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yep. that's what happens when OWS is disorganized and unproductive. and unfortunately... what I just said is a public perception of OWS.

OWS lost. now get outta my backyard and get a job :lol:
 
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