Declaration of Occupy Wall Street

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Jiro said:
yep. that's what happens when OWS is disorganized and unproductive. and unfortunately... what I just said is a public perception of OWS.

OWS lost. now get outta my backyard and get a job :lol:
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Protesters go home? In all 1500 cities worldwide? :lol:
 
Poll: US public disfavors Wall Street, Washington - CBS News
(AP) LOWELL, Mass. — A new national poll shows neither Wall Street nor Occupy Wall Street conjuring up strong favorable impressions among the American public.

But protesters fared better than their wealthy corporate targets in the poll conducted for the University of Massachusetts at Lowell and the Boston Herald.

Among 1,005 adults surveyed, 35 percent had a favorable impression of the protest movement that began in New York City and gained support worldwide. Only 16 percent could say the same for Wall Street and large corporations.

Twenty-nine percent had a favorable impression of the tea party movement and 21 percent for government in Washington.

The group surveyed was selected randomly and the poll conducted online from Oct. 28 through Nov. 1. It had a margin of error of 3.8 percentage points.
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Occupy Wall Street: FAQ | The Nation
So nobody is in charge? How do decisions get made?

The General Assembly has become the de facto decision-making body for the occupation at Liberty Plaza, just a few blocks north of Wall Street. (That was Zuccotti Park’s name before 2006, when the space was rebuilt by Brookfield Properties and renamed after its chairman, John Zuccotti.) Get ready for jargon: the General Assembly is a horizontal, autonomous, leaderless, modified-consensus-based system with roots in anarchist thought, and it’s akin to the assemblies that have been driving recent social movements around the world, in places like Argentina, Egypt’s Tahrir Square, Madrid’s Puerta del Sol and so on. Working toward consensus is really hard, frustrating and slow. But the occupiers are taking their time. When they finally get to consensus on some issue, often after days and days of trying, the feeling is quite incredible. A mighty cheer fills the plaza. It’s hard to describe the experience of being among hundreds of passionate, rebellious, creative people who are all in agreement about something.
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What are the demands of the protesters?

Ugh—the zillion-dollar question. Again, the original Adbusters call asked, “What is our one demand?” Technically, there isn’t one yet. In the weeks leading up to September 17, the NYC General Assembly seemed to be veering away from the language of “demands” in the first place, largely because government institutions are already so shot through with corporate money that making specific demands would be pointless until the movement grew stronger politically. Instead, to begin with, they opted to make their demand the occupation itself—and the direct democracy taking place there—which in turn may or may not come up with some specific demand. When you think about it, this act is actually a pretty powerful statement against the corruption that Wall Street has come to represent. But since thinking is often too much to ask of the American mass media, the question of demands has turned into a massive PR challenge.
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so... nobody is in charge. nobody knows what the goal is. nobody produced result. nothing. so how can we take them seriously????
 
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Most Americans Uncertain About "Occupy Wall Street" Goals
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The results are based on an Oct. 15-16 USA Today/Gallup poll. The Occupy Wall Street movement has attracted significant media attention for its nearly month-long protest of major U.S. financial institutions in New York, with similar demonstrations taking place in numerous other cities in the United States in recent weeks.

But the American public does not seem to be very familiar with the movement or its goals. Part of that may stem from the below-average level of attention Americans are paying to the news story. Fifty-six percent say they are following the story closely, including 18% who say very closely. The averages for more than 200 news events Gallup has tracked since the 1990s are 61% closely and 22% very closely.

Additionally, the lack of knowledge about the movement's goals may be because the movement has not had clearly defined leaders or goals. Rather, it appears to be united by grievances against the wealthiest Americans -- in particular, those who run major Wall Street financial institutions.
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Implications

Protesters have demonstrated in and around Wall Street for nearly a month, with the movement spreading and appearing to gain momentum around the U.S. At the same time, Americans are not highly familiar with the movement's activities or its goals. Those who are familiar with the movement tend to be more approving than disapproving of Occupy Wall Street, though with limited public knowledge about it, its supporters represent roughly a quarter of Americans.
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Jiro said:
oh I don't care about the other 1,499 cities. Just my city - get out and get a job :lol:
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I understand. It is a noble cause and movement, but it is fractured and leaderless. I think the media has been ignoring the articulate protesters to make this a PR disaster for them. They need to select a few people to corner the media for interviews and take it from there. Because this is a noble cause, it won't go away for a while.
 
Beowulf said:
I understand. It is a noble cause and movement, but it is fractured and leaderless. I think the media has been ignoring the articulate protesters to make this a PR disaster for them. They need to select a few people to corner the media for interviews and take it from there. Because this is a noble cause, it won't go away for a while.
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Exactly..... If they have a point, they are going to need a more effective way of communicating it.
 
Beowulf said:
I understand. It is a noble cause and movement, but it is fractured and leaderless. I think the media has been ignoring the articulate protesters to make this a PR disaster for them. They need to select a few people to corner the media for interviews and take it from there. Because this is a noble cause, it won't go away for a while.
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100% agree.

In that Gallup Poll above, I support OWS movement but I strongly disapprove the way its protests are conducted. They need to publicly and strongly denounce other OWS' vigilantism, vandalism, public intimidation, violent acts, riots, etc.

I just don't want to see any more people getting hurt. and I don't want OWS to lose its credibility and public relation. They should cut their loss... and come back when they have a more formulated plan. More importantly - they need to find dang leader(s)!

You want civil disobedience? then do it right!
 
I was in a major city over the week-end. Took a long lunch from a seminar and myself and several colleagues went to join a gay marriage rally. A block away was the OWS demonstration. No one was bothering them, they were bothering no one. They were being permitted to peacefully carry out their demonstration.
 
jillio said:
I was in a major city over the week-end. Took a long lunch from a seminar and myself and several colleagues went to join a gay marriage rally. A block away was the OWS demonstration. No one was bothering them, they were bothering no one. They were being permitted to peacefully carry out their demonstration.
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I wish the same could be said for all OWS cities. Still, I think it's awesome that they were allowed to carry out the demonstrations where you were.
 
deafskeptic said:
I wish the same could be said for all OWS cities. Still, I think it's awesome that they were allowed to carry out the demonstrations where you were.
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Yeah, me, too. But I also wonder how much violence would ever have been seen from the demonstraters if they had been allowed to carry out their demonstrations. I would venture a guess at "little to none."
 
jillio said:
Yeah, me, too. But I also wonder how much violence would ever have been seen from the demonstraters if they had been allowed to carry out their demonstrations. I would venture a guess at "little to none."
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Wanna bet how often the media will replay what little violence that the protesters will display? :P
 
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