Declaration of Occupy Wall Street

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At :56 and 1:09 you catch Olsen looking up and then to the right before being blocked by a photographer.

Now the leftists that posted this are drawing conclusions but obviously I disagree.

Is this proof Olsen was hit by his own team? No. But it proves it's possible. He wasn't facing forward the entire time. He looks to his left as well.

Also you can clearly see in this video that the tear gas was being lobbed in. In fact, stuff is traveling at a higher velocity when it is going toward the police.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEj_4fqDbnM]Footage of Scott Olsen being shot by Police at Occupy Oakland - YouTube[/ame]
 
jillio said:
Nixon was President.:roll:
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another hypocrisy too.

Must be The Era of Hypocrisy because in this case.... the government was a crook.
 
Also he appears to be pretty coherent at the 1 minute mark of the video in post 832. He is able to adjust his hair, nod and turn toward a voice.
 
TXgolfer said:
Also you can clearly see in this video that the tear gas was being lobbed in. In fact, stuff is traveling at a higher velocity when it is going toward the police.
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I believe it was lobbed BACK to police. Protestors can't buy a tear gas canister.
 
TXgolfer said:
Also he appears to be pretty coherent at the 1 minute mark of the video in post 832. He is able to adjust his hair, nod and turn toward a voice.
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That is not coherence.:roll:

Like I said, he would not have injuries where he has them had he not been hit from the front.
 
TXgolfer said:
Also he appears to be pretty coherent at the 1 minute mark of the video in post 832. He is able to adjust his hair, nod and turn toward a voice.
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reminds me of Terri Schiavo :giggle:
 
Jiro said:
I believe it was lobbed BACK to police. Protestors can't buy a tear gas canister.
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Well they can.... but that is not what I was saying :lol:

The point is they are throwing them back at a higher velocity. That is obvious. In this area anyway. And again I am not saying police DIDN'T do it. I am saying there is no proof either way
 
Jiro said:
reminds me of Terri Schiavo :giggle:
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Well they say he was unconscious when he arrived at the hospital....Pretty rapid deterioration. Could happen though. Might have been best if the protesters would have backed away as told so that they could get EMTs to him right away.
 
TXgolfer said:
Well they can.... but that is not what I was saying :lol:

The point is they are throwing them back at a higher velocity. That is obvious. In this area anyway. And again I am not saying police DIDN'T do it. I am saying there is no proof either way
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Are you suggesting that someone came up behind him and reached all the way around to hit him in the area he would have had to be struck and caused the injury?

Someone in the crowd threw a canister back at a higher velocity than it was originally fired by police? Really?
 
jillio said:
Seriously. I doubt that any mental status exam would have found him "coherent" at that point.
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Well we will see. I have a feeling we will get a great deal of info on this in comng weeks. :dunno:

The one thing we know for sure is that he disobeyed a police command which is illegal. That is one fact we know for sure.
 
TXgolfer said:
Well they say he was unconscious when he arrived at the hospital....Pretty rapid deterioration. Could happen though. Might have been best if the protesters would have backed away as told so that they could get EMTs to him right away.
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The EMTs were no where to be found. That is why the crowd had to come to his assistance. Private citizens carried him out, put him in a car, and took him to the hospital.

Rapid deterioration? Not in the case of a skull fracture. The brain begins to swell immediately. He could very well have died on the way to the hospital from an injury like this.

He wasn't fully conscious in the picture you are referring to.
 
jillio said:
The EMTs were no where to be found. That is why the crowd had to come to his assistance. Private citizens carried him out, put him in a car, and took him to the hospital.

Rapid deterioration? Not in the case of a skull fracture. The brain begins to swell immediately. He could very well have died on the way to the hospital from an injury like this.

He wasn't fully conscious in the picture you are referring to.
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According to earlier reports on Scott Olsen, he had to be taken there in a car. That suggests to me the cops were not doing their duty.
 
deafskeptic said:
According to earlier reports on Scott Olsen, he had to be taken there in a car. That suggests to me the cops were not doing their duty.
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Exactly. They should have been calling for an ambulance instead of firing flash grenades at the people coming to his aid.
 
jillio said:
Are you suggesting that someone came up behind him and reached all the way around to hit him in the area he would have had to be struck and caused the injury?

Someone in the crowd threw a canister back at a higher velocity than it was originally fired by police? Really?
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It's clear in the video that canisters were lobbed in rather than fired in.....in that area. You can see them flipping through the air.

And again we see that he turns both directions in the video as well as looking up. We dint see the actual contact so we have no idea which way he was facing. For that matter we don't know for sure he was struck by an object. Perhaps he reached for a canister on the ground and was accidentally head butted.

Then again if you have proof of him being struck by a police object I would love to see it. It's very possible that happened. I'm sticking with "we don't know yet" since there is no conclusive proof that I have seen.

And that point doesn't even matter to me because I support the police using tear gas in that situation. That is what it is for.
 
jillio said:
The EMTs were no where to be found. That is why the crowd had to come to his assistance. Private citizens carried him out, put him in a car, and took him to the hospital.

Rapid deterioration? Not in the case of a skull fracture. The brain begins to swell immediately. He could very well have died on the way to the hospital from an injury like this.

He wasn't fully conscious in the picture you are referring to.
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EMTs were right there behind the front line. He was removed before they got control of the crowd. That is clear in the video as well.
 
TXgolfer said:
It's clear in the video that canisters were lobbed in rather than fired in.....in that area. You can see them flipping through the air.

And again we see that he turns both directions in the video as well as looking up. We dint see the actual contact so we have no idea which way he was facing. For that matter we don't know for sure he was struck by an object. Perhaps he reached for a canister on the ground and was accidentally head butted.

Then again if you have proof of him being struck by a police object I would love to see it. It's very possible that happened. I'm sticking with "we don't know yet" since there is no conclusive proof that I have seen.

And that point doesn't even matter to me because I support the police using tear gas in that situation. That is what it is for.
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Maybe a bird grabbed a canister out of the air and dropped it on him when he was looking up.:roll: Looking up does not mean he was not hit from the front, nor does looking to the left or right. Unless he can rotate his head all the way around like an owl can he could not have had the back of his head toward the police. If you look close enough in the video, you can see he is facing forward when he goes down. You can also see the canister being lobbed from police lines immediately prior to him going down.
 
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