Declaration of Occupy Wall Street

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Jiro said:
1. it's not a motorcycle. it's a scooter.
2. it wasn't on top of his ankle. I think it's obvious that this faker purposely placed his foot under there just to create a scene
3. why? because if you've ridden scooter before, you'd know that you'd flip over if you try to run over something like a leg
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1. Okay. Motorcycle, scooter, whatever. Is that an issue?

2. See post #270

3. See post #270
 
Jiro said:
and officers would say - "I really hope you get put into a position one of these days where you're being mobbed by an uncooperative, combative troll resisting arrest or disobeying order."
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I would never be put in that position because I'd never be a police officer. They, on the other hand, signed up to "serve and protect." Part of the job description is to deal with people like this in an appropriate manner. Not attacking them with batons.
 
TheWriteAlex said:
I would never be put in that position because I'd never be a police officer. They, on the other hand, signed up to "serve and protect." Part of the job description is to deal with people like this in an appropriate manner. Not attacking them with batons.
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so in that case.... what were they supposed to do with uncooperative, combative person?
 
DeafCaroline said:
Apparently that guy wasn't even a protester, he was from the National Lawyers Guild and he was just there observing the protest.

He was hospitalized after that incident. According to another lawyer, the guy now has injuries to his face.

reba - you were asking about another angle to that incident - here you go: [UPDATE] Video: NYPD Scooter Runs Over National Lawyers Guild Legal Observer : Gothamist
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Cops ran over a lawyer? I see possible legal issues resulting from this incident .
 
DeafCaroline said:
Apparently that guy wasn't even a protester, he was from the National Lawyers Guild and he was just there observing the protest.

He was hospitalized after that incident. According to another lawyer, the guy now has injuries to his face.

reba - you were asking about another angle to that incident - here you go: [UPDATE] Video: NYPD Scooter Runs Over National Lawyers Guild Legal Observer : Gothamist
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there ya go - that different angle showed that cop didn't run over him. don't see any baton beating either.
 
Jiro said:
so in that case.... what were they supposed to do with uncooperative, combative person?
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First of all, it appears, as new camera angles and reports from eyewitnesses emerge, the man was not exactly being combative, uncooperative, or even faking anything. Starting to look more an more like legit police brutality.

Second of all, I don't understand where all this, "it's okay for cops to do this, if such and such..." mentality is coming from. It's never okay for a cop to beat an unarmed person who is not being aggressive or threatening. I don't think any person, including the police, could have viewed this man as threatening or capable of inflicting bodily harm on the cops from the position he was in.
 
DeafCaroline said:
Apparently that guy wasn't even a protester, he was from the National Lawyers Guild and he was just there observing the protest.

He was hospitalized after that incident. According to another lawyer, the guy now has injuries to his face.

reba - you were asking about another angle to that incident - here you go: [UPDATE] Video: NYPD Scooter Runs Over National Lawyers Guild Legal Observer : Gothamist
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Something to ponder here, from live eyewitnesses of the event; quoted from the Article you linked. Two completely different observations:
The legal observer in this video has been identified as Ari Douglas, and while the extent of his injuries remains unclear, some doubt has been cast on earlier reports that he was seriously injured. A photographer for the Daily News who witnessed the confrontation, Joe Marino, says "the bike definitely hit him" but the officer didn't run him over. "I saw him sticking his legs under the bike to make it appear he was run over," Marino claims.

Another photographer who witnessed the incident believes Douglas was run over. And another legal observer, Zainab Akbar, tells the News, "His leg was stuck under the bike, and he kicked his leg to get the bike off his leg, and then the police attacked him and shoved him into the ground and put a night stick against the back of his neck."
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Jiro said:
there ya go - that different angle showed that cop didn't run over him. don't see any baton beating either.
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He's in the hospital suffering from facial injuries due to that incident. if you saw the earlier videos posted on this thread, you would see a helmeted cop bending down and swinging a baton where he was lying on the ground.

the guy that was lying on the ground, he wasn't combative and he was unarmed.

I'm guessing you didn't see the last video in that article.
 
deafskeptic said:
Cops ran over a lawyer? I see possible legal issues resulting from this incident .
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Ya think? A lawyer with possible injuries, captured on tape? Most likely the next picture we see of him, he will be in a full body cast at the hospital.

I guess we can call you Nostradamus! :P
 
TheWriteAlex said:
First of all, it appears, as new camera angles and reports from eyewitnesses emerge, the man was not exactly being combative, uncooperative, or even faking anything. Starting to look more an more like legit police brutality.

Second of all, I don't understand where all this, "it's okay for cops to do this, if such and such..." mentality is coming from. It's never okay for a cop to beat an unarmed person who is not being aggressive or threatening. I don't think any person, including the police, could have viewed this man as threatening or capable of inflicting bodily harm on the cops from the position he was in.
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DeafCaroline said:
He's in the hospital suffering from facial injuries due to that incident. if you saw the earlier videos, you would see a helmeted cop bending down and swinging a baton where he was lying on the ground.

the guy that was lying on the ground, he wasn't combative and he was unarmed.

I'm guessing you didn't see the last video in that article.
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I saw all videos. I've not seen any single scene of any baton beating. I even watched videos several times and paused at certain moment.

not a single scene of beating.
 
Jiro said:
I saw all videos. I've not seen any single scene of any baton beating. I even watched videos several times and paused at certain moment.

not a single scene of beating.
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i guess the rest of us were imagining things when we talked about that cop striking with the baton. and i guess it's all a lie that that guy is now in the hospital being treated for facial injuries.
 
Jiro said:
I saw all videos. I've not seen any single scene of any baton beating. I even watched videos several times and paused at certain moment.

not a single scene of beating.
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A man is in the hospital. He had to be pretty good at faking to end up there. Just because you don't see it in these videos doesn't mean it didn't happen. Let's let the court and investigators handle this one. Hmmkay?
 
TheWriteAlex said:
A man is in the hospital. He had to be pretty good at faking to end up there. Just because you don't see it in these videos doesn't mean it didn't happen.
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just because he's in hospital doesn't mean he got the police beatdown. Beside, we have not seen any photos of his injuries.

TheWriteAlex said:
Let's let the court and investigators handle this one. Hmmkay?
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lol why tell me this now? You should tell that to yourself
 
DeafCaroline said:
i guess the rest of us were imagining things when we talked about that cop striking with the baton. and i guess it's all a lie that that guy is now in the hospital being treated for facial injuries.
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facial injury can occur when one is aggressively resisting arrest as he's pinned down on street.

but from baton beating? I doubt it.
 
Jiro said:
facial injury can occur when one is aggressively resisting arrest as he's pinned down on street.

but from baton beating? I doubt it.
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i don't see him aggressively resisting arrest at all, he was lying on the ground trying to get his foot out from under the scooter after the cop moved that scooter over his leg when he was suddenly pounced upon by a number of cops, one of whom swung a baton.

If you prefer to think this guy, a lawyer, is faking it all and that that baton was a piece of foam being swung just to hit air, then ok.

The truth will come out soon enough.
 
DeafCaroline said:
i don't see him aggressively resisting arrest at all, he was lying on the ground trying to get his foot out from under the scooter after the cop moved that scooter over his leg when he was suddenly pounced upon by a number of cops, one of whom swung a baton.

If you prefer to think this guy, a lawyer, is faking it all and that that baton was a piece of foam being swung just to hit air, then ok.

The truth will come out soon enough.
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Him being a lawyer doesn't mean anything to me. and I can't find any scene of cop swinging a baton at him.

Show me? which video and what time.
 
Jiro said:
Him being a lawyer doesn't mean anything to me. and I can't find any scene of cop swinging a baton at him.

Show me? which video and what time.
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You mean you've looked at all the videos posted here and then said you don't see any cops swinging batons?

go back earlier in the thread and see the link I posted to the youtube video.
 
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