Deaf view on a CI kid... its a bummer..

[Cheri]

Well, Heather received her first CI when she was around 9 years old with the support from their parents.

Without support from their parents, Heather would of wait until she is 18 years old and then make her own decision. Right?

The parents rather wait and make sure first before they are able to fulfill their daughter´s wish.

That's correct, They waited together, and if Heather still wants it later, she will fulfill out her wishes, and she did. Happy ending after all.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

That's correct, They waited together, and if Heather still wants it later, she will fulfill out her wishes, and she did. Happy ending after all.

Exactly

 

[Audiofuzzy]

Liebling, first of all this is not the point. If you say "let the child decide" then let it decide,
all those people who are against early implant say "if the child want it later, then it's OK with me". and then they deny the implant anyway.

It's bull "personal choice", I say. It's the parents choice, always.

Well, Heather received her first CI when she was around 9 years old with the support from their parents.

Without support from their parents, Heather would of wait until she is 18 years old and then make her own decision. Right?

WEll, heather wanted implant much earlier and she was denied it. She still wanted implant later, and then she got it at 9.
Just the fact that she STILL wanted the implant later shows she was right in the first place - when she was younger. so why deny?

If you leave a choice to a child, you let it have CI when child says "I want it now". you say OK if that's your wish.


THE PARENTS MAKE CHOICE - ALWAYS.

Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

people mispell all the time...

This is not misspelling - this is getting the whole thing wrong. If you wrote Doobletrouble -that's misspeling.

Fuzzy

 

[Audiofuzzy]

I can say whatever I want that comes to my mind of what I thought of you.

YOU can but I can't huh? that's what's fairness on Alldeaf.
anyhoo, c ya later, gotta go.

Fuzzy

 

[Cheri]

YOU can but I can't huh? that's what's fairness on Alldeaf.
anyhoo, c ya later, gotta go.

Fuzzy

You haven't got banned for breaking the rules of AD, So don't even go there with this "fairness" crap.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

This is not misspelling - this is getting the whole thing wrong. If you wrote Doobletrouble -that's misspeling.

Fuzzy

So?

See yourself, you also misspelling, too... You forget to add one more "l"

Correct is misspelling, not misspeling... :roll:


I can´t see the sense why you make the problem over that a little nonsense misspelling. It´s really nothing important to worry how misspelling we made...

 

[Tousi]

I see a cyber-hammer coming so let's take a deep breath and continue; I don't want this to be closed. Thanks, folks

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Liebling, first of all this is not the point. If you say "let the child decide" then let it decide,
all those people who are against early implant say "if the child want it later, then it's OK with me". and then they deny the implant anyway.

It's bull "personal choice", I say. It's the parents choice, always.



WEll, heather wanted implant much earlier and she was denied it. She still wanted implant later, and then she got it at 9.
Just the fact that she STILL wanted the implant later shows she was right in the first place - when she was younger. so why deny?

If you leave a choice to a child, you let it have CI when child says "I want it now". you say OK if that's your wish.


THE PARENTS MAKE CHOICE - ALWAYS.

Fuzzy

I see different as you...

Heather and her parents decided TOGETHER. No, it has nothing do with "denied". I do beleive that Heather´s parents explained their daughter why they are not for it yet...

The parents make choice which mean that they do what they want with their child without discuss together with their child first.

Yes, Heather & her parents decide together... and fulfill Heather´s wish which is great... no matter how old Heather is. I know from view that Heather is a very bright girl and moviate good. She CAN do that successful...

 

[jillio]

reassuring, reassuring, reassuring, reassuring, reassuring, reassuring, yourself again, aren't we honey?
I told you - believe it, not doubt it.


Fuzzy

No reasurrance necessary. And if you would see yourself as more than just your ears, you would be a much less obnoxious person. You are so focused on the bitterness you feel over not being able to hear that you have no idea how offensive you are. You need to work less on working your way into the hearing community, and more on your social skills.

 

[jillio]

Interesting.
How convenietly you are not saying anything about Jill critizing everybody who did implant their children:



and that's only MILD recent example of how she puts down parents of CI children.

You don't understand that she is doing that only because she needs to reassure herself that she made the right choice.
Has she chose differently, be sure YOU would be at the receiving end of the crap stick. You, not Cloggy. And she wouldn't be any nicer to you than she is to him. or Rick.

I've never criticized anyone for the act of implanting their child. My criticism come from not allowing that child to experience the language and culture that is their birth right even though they are implanted. And I will criticize those parents until the day I die, because they turn out children that grow into bitter angry needy adults such as yourself. Your parents created you through their inaction in attending to your needs, and this should be a warning to all parents......if you don't want your child to grow into a fuzzy, please, please attend to their developmental needs on a social and psychological level.

And unless you are carrying a crystal ball in your pocket, give up the predictions on what I would or would not do. You obviously don't have enough knowledge of human behavior to make scientific predictions.

 

[jillio]

Angel, you DIDN'T EVEN SEE the movie, and you are passing opinions?!
how can you don that?


as for Jillio's son - yes, what about? what new lies are you hinting at me? I NEVER said anything derogatory about Jillio's son. SHOW ME WHERE I SAID SOMETHING BAD about Jillio's son?

You referrred to him as handicapped, for starters, and that is unbelievably offensive, as well as innaccurate. You have accused me of lying regarding the circumstances of our lives. You have called names. You have been generally offensive, and stuck your big ass nose into things that are not your concern. I have attempted to discuss things reasonably with you fuzzy, but it has become increasingly obvious that you are not capable of engaging in reasonable and ionformed discussion. Go do something about your issues. You are not resposnible for your impaired mental status, but you are certainly responsible for spreading it all over others on this board. Be as maladjusted as you choose to be, but I will not allow you to inflict it on me. Get a grip.

I agree this is a good idea. I would also recommend for you to read my posts since 2005 to also know what are you talking about - about ME.

And you don't even know yourself. Hpw can you expect anyone else to know you.
You've got serious problems, fuzzy. And if you choose not to do anything about them, then you are responsible for the fact that they are continuiing. Take some responsibility for yourself and get some therapy. No one around here is obligated to put up with your bullshit.

 

[jillio]

Mari Artinian, I thought it was you when I read your post. I rember you. my heart was breaking for you when I was watching you going thru this difficult time, not knowing if what you want is right. All those doubts, fears, all that pressure.
I just wanted to say that the moment that stayed most in my memory from the movie was at some outside gathering in the park, and I remember that scene vivildy.
I just wanted to say I was extremly upset with your mother then. She was so wrong.
I think you are great daughter, so patient, forgiving and loving, and you had every right to chose a decision whatever it was - it was YOUR child. YOUR CHILD.
And for what it's worth I think your chose the best options available.

Fuzzy

Look out Mari...you've got aa cyber stalker and she will suck you dry trying to ingratiate herself.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

I've never criticized anyone for the act of implanting their child. My criticism come from not allowing that child to experience the language and culture that is their birth right even though they are implanted. And I will criticize those parents until the day I die, because they turn out children that grow into bitter angry needy adults such as yourself. Your parents created you through their inaction in attending to your needs, and this should be a warning to all parents......if you don't want your child to grow into a fuzzy, please, please attend to their developmental needs on a social and psychological level.
And unless you are carrying a crystal ball in your pocket, give up the predictions on what I would or would not do. You obviously don't have enough knowledge of human behavior to make scientific predictions.

Yes I was not surprised when she told us about her mother... that´s what I thought so but I didn´t say anything but questioned her in my post #395 about her feeling issues... Happy? or Burden? I am waiting for her answer to my question then I would say something what I can see the problem is her behavior/attitude.

 

[Angel]

This is not misspelling - this is getting the whole thing wrong. If you wrote Doobletrouble -that's misspeling.

Fuzzy

Oh my goodness, I can not believe you're making such a big deal out of this....

 

[shel90]

You can't be serious. I have not once heard of a hearing person telling a deaf parent of a deaf child that they are wrong for making the decision to not impant their child but I have heard over and over again the opposite. You can't have it both ways Shel. Either you are for a parents right to choose or you are not. And that means a deaf parents right to choose to not implant and a hearing parents right to choose to implant. I think her point about fear of the unknown is spot on. I constantly hear from the deaf cutlure that hearing parents don't accept our children for who they are if they decide to implant. Never have I heard a hearing parent tell a deaf parent they don't want to give their child the best chance in a hearing world because they decide not to implant. The double standards really have to stop. The bottom line is that a parent (hearing or deaf) has the right to do what they feel are in the best interest of their children. It's always been that way and it always will remain that way. Get over it and move on already.

Huh? When did I criticize hearing parents for implanting their children? All I said is that I respected their decision cuz it is their privacy and someone said something about deaf people wont implant deaf children cuz they are too lazy to learn spoken language so that was where my post came from.

U must have gotten me mixed up with someone else. The only issue I have is denying sign language to young deaf children whether implanted or not. Nothing to do with the CI. Remember, I am all for using both so I dont know what the problem is here?

 

[shel90]

Interesting.
How convenietly you are not saying anything about Jill critizing everybody who did implant their children:



and that's only MILD recent example of how she puts down parents of CI children.

You don't understand that she is doing that only because she needs to reassure herself that she made the right choice.
Has she chose differently, be sure YOU would be at the receiving end of the crap stick. You, not Cloggy. And she wouldn't be any nicer to you than she is to him. or Rick.

Fuzzy

Jillo has never criticized the parents for implanting their children. She has criticized them for not providing the children a visual language and putting too much focus on the ears and the mouth rather than as the child as a whole. Nothing to do with the decision to implant children.

 

[rick48]

Jillo has never criticized the parents for implanting their children. She has criticized them for not providing the children a visual language and putting too much focus on the ears and the mouth rather than as the child as a whole. Nothing to do with the decision to implant children.

Why is she even criticizing parents in the first place? Who is she to criticize any one of us? Has she ever met us? More importantly, has she ever met anyone of our children? Why does she think she knows our children and their individual needs any better than the child's actual parents?

Perhaps, as Fuzzy has aptly suggested to satisfy her need to reassure herself of her parental decisions?

Think about that as you blindly defend her each and every time.

 

[rick48]

Oh, rd, please go back and check some of fuzzy's, rick's, and cloggy's posts.

The fact is that you have left out a couple o f options....deaf parents also have a right ti implant, and hearign parents have a right not to implant.

Please stop spreading lies about me.

Show me the post wherein I told any parent, deaf or hearing that they were wrong for not implanting their deaf child.

I have consistently supported a parents' right to make the decision to implant or not to implant.

So quit trying to turn this into an attack on you and show me the post.

 

[Audiofuzzy]

You referrred to him as handicapped, for starters, and that is unbelievably offensive,

Depends HOW the word handicapped is looked upon;
Merriam Webster definiton states it's SOMETIMES offensive, yes,
but also:
sometimes offensive : having a physical or mental disability;

Definition of handicapped - Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary


I reffered to your son as having physical disability, and he has one- he is deaf.
So I wasn't offending your son. I simply stated he is handicapped because he can't hear. I don't see it as offensive, YOU DO. I also said I because I am deaf, I am this way handicapped too. am I offending myself? I don't see it that way.

as well as innaccurate.

Is he not deaf, hence disabled, and according to Merriam Webster- hence handicapped?

You have accused me of lying regarding the circumstances of our lives.

I didn't accused you, I wondered about it...

You have called names.

what names? btw names, what is "ass nose"?????

You have been generally offensive, and stuck your big ass nose into things that are not your concern.

And YOU didn't?
Do you I have to dig up every post NOT intended for you but for others and purely between others and me, where you stuck YOUR nose in?
Putting me in straughtjacket is NOT offensive?, ridiculing me (and not only me- remember Rick's crack pipe, hon?) in revenge for proving you wrong - is NOT offensive?

I have attempted to discuss things reasonably with you fuzzy, but it has become increasingly obvious that you are not capable of engaging in reasonable and ionformed discussion.

Sorry to let you know but YOU on the other hand are incapable of refrain from nasty, sarcastic and ridiculing remarks that cause conflict.
And you say you got courses in psychology? I think now you understand why I DOUBT it.

Go do something about your issues. You are not resposnible for your impaired mental status, but you are certainly responsible for spreading it all over others on this board. Be as maladjusted as you choose to be, but I will not allow you to inflict it on me. Get a grip.

Excuse, me, for one this is NOT TRUE, second you do realise have you said that all publicly I would have excellent grounds to take you to court for harrassment and smearing ? you only get away with it because it's internet forum.
and by saying things like these above, YOU ARE smearing my person for the others, influence how they look at me. if you do have certain degress in psychology you should know you
a/ have no right to assess anybody WITHOUT seeying that person in real life
b/ assesments patient-therapist/doctor are confidential.

Throw the first stone, hon, only when you are without sin. otherwise don't say a word.

Fuzzy