Confederate Flag

What does Confederate Rebel Flag means to you?

  • A symbol of Civil War History

    Votes: 41 25.8%
  • A symbol of racist

    Votes: 44 27.7%
  • A symbol of Heritage (Civil War Veteran Generation)

    Votes: 60 37.7%
  • Others - please specify

    Votes: 14 8.8%

  • Total voters
    159
California didn't exist at that time.... so no you're not a Yankee. Only if you're born from Union states. CA used to belong to Mexico so you would be a Mexican at that time :)

Um, Isn't California a union state during the Civil War? Because it joined the Union in 1850.

California joined the Union as a free state in 1850, due to the compromise of 1850. By the end of the 19th century, California was still largely rural and agricultural but had a population of about 1.4 million.

History of California to 1899
 
I used to live in the South (Texas) for 8 years, they do have good southern foods there. I've seen some rebel flags in some spots, not everywhere, and they are for pride and heritage. I was born in California, so I'd guess I am a yankee, and I have no problem with other people and show respect who they are. :)
No, you're a Westerner, not a Yankee. :P

I was born in Connecticut, so I'm a Yankee.
 
Um, Isn't California a union state during the Civil War? Because it joined the Union in 1850.

History of California to 1899

oh? I must have gotten my dates wrong but the reason why I got mixed up is because I don't recall Western states participating in Civil War. It was mainly South-eastern states vs. North-eastern states.
 
interesting..... Just did a quick search. looks like I need brush up on my Civil War history! :fart:

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oh? I must have gotten my dates wrong but the reason why I got mixed up is because I don't recall Western states participating in Civil War. It was mainly South-eastern states vs. North-eastern states.

Yeah, the Western states did played a role by serving in Civil War, also Lincoln did try to make Transcontinental Railroad in 1862 so the west and east can connect for those passenger train that time.

Californians Serving in the Civil War, 1861-1867

When it was learned that the south was determined to secede there could be but one result, a civil war. Thousands would be wounded and die upon the battlefield or in the hospitals. To relieve their sufferings as much as possible the loyal northern men organized the three commissions. They were known as the sanitary, the Christian, and the freedman's commission. The leader of the movement was Henry W. Bellows of Massachusetts, a co-laborer in Christian work with Thomas Starr King. In 1862 he wrote to King asking him to organize branch commissions in California. The movement was started and in the fall of that year California sent east to the suffering soldiers $480,000. All classes contributed, even those who favored the south, for the sanitary or Red Cross commission, which later developed, made no distinction in assisting the wounded. In October, 1863, Mr. Bellows telegraphed to King, "the sanitary funds are low. We have already distributed over seven millions of dollars. California has been our main support in money, and if she fails we are lost." King responded, "We will send you $25,000 a month." And Mr. King, putting both body and soul into the work of collecting funds, made good his promise. California contributed over $1,200,000 gold to the sanitary fund and $34,000 to the Christian fund. The amount was equal to over a million and a half in currency, for nothing but greenbacks was in circulation in the eastern states. California with her gold helped to save the Union. Of this amount $275,000 was collected by Ruel C. Gridley [15] through the repeated sale of his Austin sack of flour.

When the news of the threatened Civil war reached California, the southern wing of the Democratic press sneered at the idea of any war and declared the reports untrue. During the time that they were denying the reports of war, their friends were secretly planning to secede. When the fact was undeniable that war existed, then they began abusing the government. The majority of the Democratic press took good care to keep within the bounds of martial law. The San Jose Tribune, San Joaquin Republican, Stockton Argus, Visalia Expositor and Merced Express abused the government and the United States troops. They were excluded from the mails by the orders of General Wright and thus suppressed [16].

During the war this press continued its abuse, and it culminated April 15, 1864, in the destruction of several San Francisco offices by a mob. When the news was received of the assassination of President Lincoln, on the morning of April 15th about 8:00 o'clock, it created intense excitement throughout the loyal state. In San Francisco a body of men rushed to the Democratic Press and smashed things generally, and ended by throwing all of the type out of the window. The crowd howled. Beriah Brown, the editor, started hurriedly for San Leandro. The police dispersed the crowd, but again forming they served the Catholic religious paper, the Monitor [17] as they had served the Press. Then followed in turn the News Letter, edited by the Englishman Frederick Marriott, and the Occident, published by Zacharaih Montgomery, one of the bitterest secessionists in the state. Burning the printing cases of these papers in the streets, the mob started on the run for the office of the French paper, the Echo de Pacifique. The Alta, owned by Fred MacCrellish, was in a part of the same building. MacCrellish succeeded in pacifying the mob and thus saved a part of the French paper. The police now succeeded in driving back the mob and soon after General McDowell put the city under martial law and United States soldiers guarded all of the streets.

The ships Sawnee and Saginaw were sent to California in August, 1865, to capture the rebel privateer Shenandoah. She had been preying on the commerce of the North Pacific and obtained many prizes. The Panama steamers ran each night without lights and were armed with Dahlgren guns, revolvers and cutlasses, for they were in constant fear of this privateer. No steamships were captured. They would have been a rich prize, for every steamer carried from $1,000,000 to $2,500,000 in gold.
 
:ty: Calvin. another thing I learned today!
 
I knew about Transcontinental Railroad and its vital role in Civil War... which served as crucial element to winning the war. I think I completely forgot about California playing a role in Civil War. Anyway - the South should have played mostly defensive position because of their limited resource and limited mode of transportation. oh well.... I just like to play a computer war game and see the outcome if they did this and that. :)
 
Ok, then I'm a Westerner :P

:ty: for correction
In a way, you were correct, depending on perspective.

To a non-American, all Americans are Yankees or Yanks ("Yankee go home!")

To an American Southerner, all Americans who are from any state other than the Confederate states are Yankees.

To people from New England, only they are true Yankees; all other Americans are Northerners, Midwesterners, Westerners, Southerners, or New Yorkers.

Connecticut Yankees are the most distinct, as in A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court.
Connecticut History Online - We Are All Connecticut Yankees
 
In a way, you were correct, depending on perspective.

To a non-American, all Americans are Yankees or Yanks ("Yankee go home!")

To an American Southerner, all Americans who are from any state other than the Confederate states are Yankees.

To people from New England, only they are true Yankees; all other Americans are Northerners, Midwesterners, Westerners, Southerners, or New Yorkers.

Connecticut Yankees are the most distinct, as in A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court.
Connecticut History Online - We Are All Connecticut Yankees

Interesting info. :ty:
 
:hmm: I've always wondered why we were called Yankees. I've always thought it was because of baseball team :laugh2:
 
Transcontinental-Railroad-map-wiki.jpg


Labor on the Transcontinental Railroad

The majority of the Union Pacific track was built by Irish laborers, veterans of both the Union and Confederate armies, and Mormons who wished to see the railroad pass through Ogden, Utah. Mostly Chinese workers built the Central Pacific track. Most of the White men received between one and three dollars per day, but the workers from China received much less. Eventually, they went on strike and gained a small increase in salary.

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Besides land grants along the right-of-way, each railroad was subsidized $16,000 per mile ($9,940/km) built over an easy grade, $32,000 per mile ($19,880/km) in the high plains, and $48,000 per mile ($29,830/km) in the mountains. The terms encouraged the companies to construct excess miles of track, direct the line toward property owned by themselves, and in many other ways exploit the system.

The Transcontinental Railroad
 
Calvin, I´m glad that you posted... :ty: for post interesting link about history and map over railroad... I posted the link about railroad in my post #486.
 
Calvin, I´m glad that you posted... :ty: for post interesting link about history and map over railroad... I posted the link about railroad in my post #486.

You're welcome, that Transcontinental Railroad is being built for both passenger and freight service from the west to the east and so forth. Giving Americans a chance to travel across country on the trains. Unlike it takes months to get across country on a horse. This is different from the slave's Underground Railroad link you provided.

The link you provided is a example on how slaves escaped their masters and try to be free by going on the "Underground Railroad". This one is a very dangerous mission and if caught, the slave would get harsh punishment. :ty: for providing that link as well :)
 
It's offensive if it's inaccurate.

Don´t take it personally because those history, we share what and how we were being exposed to learn differently. If you feel being offensive then tell this to historians who interpreted the history differently.

I respect what you beleive in but why can´t you respect me when I see different as you? I did not correct your post or prove you wrong but share what and how I was being taught, that´s all and accept your posts and read the links from your post like what I accept Southerner´s post #219. I am not here to prove him or Southerners wrong or whatever but stand my POV over confederence flag. I can say why I view Confederate Flag like I did with my posts #182, 183, 184 here last year.



As you saw in my links, historians have access to the original documents of that time, including posters, newspapers, legal documents, personal and official letters, and diaries.

Yes, I read and accept all of links, you posted but you know that many historians intrepet the histories differently when they view the original pictures, etc. There´re plenty of historians who interpreted the history differently. It´s up to us who beleive their history interpretation. I posted several links here, that´s links what I beleive is accurate. Each person see differently. Don´t take people´s posts personally that´s because they see differently as you.

There are always some people who will protest anything. You have protests in Europe, too.

Yes, but its about flag symbol, we talk about here, not anything.


The main protest was against the Confederate flag flying over the State House. It wasn't about the existence of the flag, or personal use of the flag.

The Confederate flag is not the only symbol that some schools ban but is only one of several PC bans.

I only questioned you about black and white people protest confederate flag in North Carolina and also school because of your post " If a Northerner moves to the South and wants to become part of that society, then it would make sense"

Of course I know Europeans emigrated to America. What does that have to do with this topic? The Civil War happened hundreds of years after the first Europeans mentioned in your link arrived.

Good :)

That's your prerogative to ignore the facts.

No, it´s our decision which one we beleive in. You beleive in your own links differently as I beleive in my links, I posted here. The links, I posted haven´t change anything what I was taught at school. See my post of last year #239, 242 and 245.
 
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You're welcome, that Transcontinental Railroad is being built for both passenger and freight service from the west to the east and so forth. Giving Americans a chance to travel across country on the trains. Unlike it takes months to get across country on a horse. This is different from the slave's Underground Railroad link you provided.

The link you provided is a example on how slaves escaped their masters and try to be free by going on the "Underground Railroad". This one is a very dangerous mission and if caught, the slave would get harsh punishment.

Yes, I noticed the difference between "Underground Railroad" and "Traincontinutal Railroad". That´s why I :ty: you for post interesting link over Railroad. I´m here to learn different history on both sides between Northern and Southern ADers.

:ty: for providing that link as well :)

Willkommen :)
 
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