Confederate Flag

What does Confederate Rebel Flag means to you?

  • A symbol of Civil War History

    Votes: 41 25.8%

  • A symbol of racist

    Votes: 44 27.7%

  • A symbol of Heritage (Civil War Veteran Generation)

    Votes: 60 37.7%

  • Others - please specify

    Votes: 14 8.8%
  • Total voters
    159
Jiro,

FYI...

Juneteenth is the oldest known celebration commemorating the ending of slavery in the United States. Dating back to 1865, it was on June 19th that the Union soldiers, led by Major General Gordon Granger, landed at Galveston, Texas with news that the war had ended and that the enslaved were now free. Note that this was two and a half years after President Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation - which had become official January 1, 1863. The Emancipation Proclamation had little impact on the Texans due to the minimal number of Union troops to enforce the new Executive order. However, with the surrender of General Lee in April of 1865, and the arrival of General Granger’s regiment, the forces were finally strong enough to influence and overcome the resistance.

Later attempts to explain this two and a half year delay in the receipt of this important news have yielded several versions that have been handed down through the years. Often told is the story of a messenger who was murdered on his way to Texas with the news of freedom. Another, is that the news was deliberately withheld by the enslavers to maintain the labor force on the plantations. And still another, is that federal troops actually waited for the slave owners to reap the benefits of one last cotton harvest before going to Texas to enforce the Emancipation Proclamation. All or none of them could be true. For whatever the reason, conditions in Texas remained status quo well beyond what was statutory.

This is the proud heritage represented by the Confederate flag.
 
Hear Again said:
Jiro,

FYI...

Juneteenth is the oldest known celebration commemorating the ending of slavery in the United States. Dating back to 1865, it was on June 19th that the Union soldiers, led by Major General Gordon Granger, landed at Galveston, Texas with news that the war had ended and that the enslaved were now free. Note that this
was two and a half years after President Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation - which had become official January 1, 1863. The Emancipation Proclamation had little impact on the Texans due to the minimal number of Union troops to enforce the new Executive order. However, with the surrender of General Lee in April of
1865, and the arrival of General Granger’s regiment, the forces were finally strong enough to influence and overcome the resistance.

Later attempts to explain this two and a half year delay in the receipt of this important news have yielded several versions that have been handed down through the years. Often told is the story of a messenger who was murdered on his way to Texas with the news of freedom. Another, is that the news was deliberately
withheld by the enslavers to maintain the labor force on the plantations. And still another, is that federal troops actually waited for the slave owners to reap the benefits of one last cotton harvest before going to Texas to enforce the Emancipation Proclamation. All or none of them could be true. For whatever the reason, conditions in Texas remained status quo well beyond what was statutory.

This is the proud heritage represented by the Confederate flag.
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wow really??????? :jaw:
 
I have a quick question.

I have been pondering this for a few days.

I understand that the K.K.K and other hate groups abused the rebel flag....

But let me ask you this.... Why is the very flag that the US was under at the time. The Flag that allowed the slaves to be shipped to America, still a prideful one?? One that is preserved as a heritage flag??


That is where I see the contradiction..
 
Babyblue said:
I have a quick question.

I have been pondering this for a few days.

I understand that the K.K.K and other hate groups abused the rebel flag....

But let me ask you this.... Why is the very flag that the US was under at the time. The Flag that allowed the slaves to be shipped to America, still a prideful one?? One that is preserved as a heritage flag??


That is where I see the contradiction..
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That's a good question, I wonder too but since KKK was formed just after the Civil War, and those racist people who held the flag abuse it and burned own several houses owned by blacks and the lynchings in some areas. In another area a massacre. :(
 
Calvin said:
That's a good question, I wonder too but since KKK was formed just after the Civil War, and those racist people who held the flag abuse it and burned own several houses owned by blacks and the lynchings in some areas. In another area a massacre. :(
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I understand

The Flag that was flown while basically, herding and shipping Africans to the U.S.


The same U.S. Flag ( may have changed designs over time, but it was still and American flag) supported slavery for a very long time before the Civil War.

The same Flag that pushed the Native Americans off their land.

But yet, we are allowed to be prideful of that.
 
Babyblue said:
I understand

The Flag that was flown while basically, herding and shipping Africans to the U.S.


The same U.S. Flag ( may have changed designs over time, but it was still and American flag) supported slavery for a very long time before the Civil War.

The same Flag that pushed the Native Americans off their land.

But yet, we are allowed to be prideful of that.
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Yeah, that time the U.S. Flag had original 13 stars, and the Confederate had 13 stars on it too. It's like half of the country is at war and when it's over, later on the U.S. had 50 stars on the flag.
 
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Babyblue said:
This link will tell you the history of how the Confederate Flag became as it is today. It changed to prevent confusions and more stars were added as more states joined the Confederacy.


Confederate Flag Bonnie Blue Stars and Bars Battle Flag and Descriptions
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Right, the battle flag has been used throughout the war. Early in the war in 1861, there is some states that has not seceded from the Union and had 7 stars on their national flag, then soon after increased to 9 stars, til later in the year it has 13 stars. As we know that the stars represents each Confederate States.

They added the 3 stars as they "claimed" the borderline states (Kentucky, Missouri, and West Virginia).
 
Byrdie714 said:
Even with individuals that are born in the Southern states--chances are high that their bloodlines will relate to an individual who is born in the North.....

In essence--a "true Southerner" doesn't exist anymore.
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Where did you get that information? It wasn't even popular for Northerners to move to the South until after the advent of air conditioning and more industrialization. Most of the Northerners who moved to the South didn't arrive until the 1970's and later. There are many white and black Southern families who have no Northern ancestors. I've never heard of any Northern black urbanites moving to the rural sea islands of South Carolina. Those families have lived amongst themselves for at least 200 years.

A few Southern families admit to having distant carpetbagger ancestors in their family trees but most brag about their many generations of Southerners, or more specifically South Carolinians or Charlestonians.

Even those with Northerners somewhere in the past discount that minor intrusion into their bloodline and still consider themselves sons and daughters of the South. If that person is born in the South, he or she is a Southerner.
 
Babyblue said:
Sons of Confederates are the ones that bought the property between I-4 and I-275. In order to display the Confederate Flag.
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Ah interesting :) have you been to that area before?
 
Reba said:
Where did you get that information? It wasn't even popular for Northerners to move to the South until after the advent of air conditioning and more industrialization. Most of the Northerners who moved to the South didn't arrive until the 1970's and later. There are many white and black Southern families who have no Northern ancestors. I've never heard of any Northern black urbanites moving to the rural sea islands of South Carolina. Those families have lived amongst themselves for at least 200 years.

A few Southern families admit to having distant carpetbagger ancestors in their family trees but most brag about their many generations of Southerners, or more specifically South Carolinians or Charlestonians.

Even those with Northerners somewhere in the past discount that minor intrusion into their bloodline and still consider themselves sons and daughters of the South. If that person is born in the South, he or she is a Southerner.
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Yup, that's right and true southerner is defined as person who born and raised by southern families, that where southern culture are influenced.

I'm not buy his story, anyway.
 
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