Confederate Flag

[Foxrac]

that is H.K. Edgerton

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Southern Heritage 411

That's valuable article about between blacks and confederate flag, thanks for sharing.

Same goes with Reba.

Speaking of my experience, I had went to high school in south in last 3 years ago and noticed plenty of students wear shirt with confederate symbol and black students don't have any problem or complain about it.

 

[Reba]

Yes, I have... Did you read anything from Black history´s side ?

Yes. That includes the links that I posted which include some that were written by black authors.

I´m sorry if you feel being offensive or insult by European´s knowledge over American history.

Not as long as it's accurate.

Are you saying that you as an American experienced in Civil War and black slavery time or collect Civil War survivors´ experience in real life?

I'm exposed to the historic places of antebellum plantations, the Civil War in the South, and the descendants of the Confederates, both white and black. I've seen the proud black men participate in the Civil War reenactments. I've done research beyond my high school days.

Charleston, SC, is a historic "hub" of the latest unpleasantness. But of course you knew that from your history class.

Sorry, I overlooked your question.

No problem. I've done that myself at times.

They (freed black men) joined voluntarily because they loyal to their master and love country.

They were free men. They didn't have masters. They were more loyal to their states than their country.

 

[Reba]

That's valuable article about between blacks and confederate flag, thanks for sharing.

Same goes with Reba.

You are welcome.

 

[Daredevel7]

Yea.. Im sorry. A picture of a black man holding up a confederate flag isn't gonna change my mind. Nowadays, you can ALWAYS find a few people who go against the norm, and H.K. Edgerton is one of them. Nothing wrong with being proud of the Southern heritage. I just think that a surprising percentage of Confederate flag bearers are doing it to show MORE than just being proud of their heritage. There is no way to find out, unless you become good friends with them and they open up enough to show their real side, which I've unfortunately experienced.

Of course, I would keep an open mind if I see it being displayed, only just cautious about what I say (especially now with President Obama!). AND this is not from stereotypes of the Confederate flag, this is lessons learned from personal expereinces.

Also, I am talking about black people NOW, not back then!

 

[shel90]

Actually, they (white people) said to them (black people) that they will get freedom, no more slavery if they want to fight for them. You know that black people hate slavery and want freedom that´s why they have to fight for white people to get freedom.

If the black soldiers were from the North, then yea, that would make sense but to fight for the Southern side since the Cofederate Flag represents Southern heritage, I am very very skeptical that they were willing volunteers to become soldiers. Something isnt right.

 

[Texan Guy]

If the black soldiers were from the North, then yea, that would make sense but to fight for the Southern side since the Cofederate Flag represents Southern heritage, I am very very skeptical that they were willing volunteers to become soldiers. Something isnt right.

There were several of black men were free and probably proudly to fight for the CSA and their homes.

 

[Reba]

Black Confederates

"Seventy free blacks enlisted in the Confederate Army in Lynchburg, Virginia. Sixteen companies (1,600) of free men of color marched through Augusta, Georgia on their way to fight in Virginia."
Black Confederates

'The Memphis Avalanche' and 'The Memphis Appeal' of May 9, 10, and 11, 1861, give notice of the appointment by the 'Committee of Safety' of a committee of three persons 'to organize a volunteer company composed of our patriotic freemen of color of the city of Memphis, for the service of our common defense.'"
Black Confederates

Reprinted in the Memphis Daily Avalanche, May 3rd 1861, pg. 3, col. 3 - "Free Colored Men.  A List of thirty-two worthy free negroes of this city, who have offered their services in the work of defense, or in any other capacity required, has been sent in to the Captain of the Woodis Rifles...They express an earnest desire to meet their Yankee enemies, or miserable sable brothers of the North, in a regular hand-to-hand fight. Some of those who have offered to serve in the cause of Southern honor have fought under the old flag...A large number of free negroes of Petersburg have expressed a desire to fight for the South, and we learn that 500 will come down as soon as the word is given...We noticed yesterday several colored men in uniform. They came as musicians with the gallant Georgia troops."
Black Confederates

"Free black musicians, cooks, soldiers and teamsters earned the same pay as white confederate privates. This was not the case in the Union army where blacks did not receive equal pay. At the Confederate Buffalo Forge in Rockbridge County, Virginia, skilled black workers "earned on average three times the wages of white Confederate soldiers and more than most Confederate army officers ($350- $600 a year)."
On Black Confederates

 

[Texan Guy]

Thank you, Reba, for those links about the free black men in the south.

I've always knew that there were several of the free black men in the CSA.

 

[Reba]

Thank you, Reba, for those links about the free black men in the south.

I've always knew that there were several of the free black men in the CSA.

You're welcome. I find the stories and pictures fascinating.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Not as long as it's accurate.

Are you saying that your is accurate, my teacher is inaccurate? You can say a lot what you want but for me, what I was being taught at school is accurate. I choose to not make further post to aviod for get banishment because you might feel being insult and offensive by European´s knowledge over US history.

I'm exposed to the historic places of antebellum plantations, the Civil War in the South, and the descendants of the Confederates, both white and black. I've seen the proud black men participate in the Civil War reenactments. I've done research beyond my high school days.

Me, too.

They were free men. They didn't have masters. They were more loyal to their states than their country.

Oh yes, some of freed black people STILL loyal to their masters no matter either they were freed or not, not just country. They consider their master as their family and love them or some of them don´t know where they should go. You know there´re good and bad masters... Have you see the movie "Queen" - wrote by black author Alex Haley? He wrote and make film for the "Roots" from his mother´s side and "Queen" from his father´s side. Some black people went to North and some black people want to stay with their masters. I have several history DVD over civil war and black slavery.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

If the black soldiers were from the North, then yea, that would make sense but to fight for the Southern side since the Cofederate Flag represents Southern heritage, I am very very skeptical that they were willing volunteers to become soldiers. Something isnt right.

Yes, you have a good point about the difference between the black soldiers between North and South. I would have agree with you on this but I was being taught at school to know that some black men were being "forced" to join for their freedom because their masters told them that they will free them if they were willing to fight for them and their country and win.

I will have a proper look at my DVD civil war which side black soldiers fought.

 

[Texan Guy]

Yes, you have a good point about the difference between the black soldiers between North and South. I would have agree with you on this but I was being taught at school to know that some black men were being "forced" to join for their freedom because their masters told them that they will free them if they were willing to fight for them and their country and win.

I will have a proper look at my DVD civil war which side black soldiers fought.

Where can I see the source that the black men were forced to join the Confederate Army?

I was taught at school to know that there were several black men were free and join the Confederate forces against the Union because they fought for their homeland.

See what General Sherman and his Union army has done to the people of Georgia? He destroyed and steal everything including houses, foods, people, properties and more in his path way to the sea.

 

[Byrdie714]

See what General Sherman and his Union army has done to the people of Georgia? He destroyed and steal everything including houses, foods, people, properties and more in his path way to the sea.

Except Sherman didn't destroy the city of Savannah on his march to the sea.

BTW it's no different than what the Southerners did in the book of "Cold Mountain".

 

[Reba]

Are you saying that your is accurate, my teacher is inaccurate? You can say a lot what you want but for me, what I was being taught at school is accurate. I choose to not make further post to aviod for get banishment because you might feel being insult and offensive by European´s knowledge over US history.

I would say that your teachers followed the politically correct curriculum of their time, which left a lot to be desired.

Are you saying that European schools teach more accurate American history than American schools do?

Me, too.

When did you live in the South??? I have lived in South since 1978.

[Oh yes, some of freed black people STILL loyal to their masters no matter either they were freed or not, not just country.

This is a true story about a free black man, former slave. His children were born free. His grown children didn't have masters because they weren't slaves. They were loyal to the Confederacy, not any former masters.

...William Ellison died December 5, 1861. His will stated that his estate should pass into the joint hands of his free daughter and his two surviving sons. He bequeathed $500 to the slave daughter he had sold.

Following in their father's footsteps, the Ellison family actively supported the Confederacy throughout the war. They converted nearly their entire plantation to the production of corn, fodder, bacon, corn shucks and cotton for the Confederate armies. They paid $5,000 in taxes during the war. They also invested more than $9,000 in Confederate bonds, treasury notes and certificates in addition to the Confederate currency they held. At the end, all this valuable paper became worthless.

The younger Ellisons contributed more than farm produce, labor and money to the Confederate cause. On March 27, 1863 John Wilson Buckner, William Ellison's oldest grandson, enlisted in the 1st South Carolina Artillery. Buckner served in the company of Captains P.P. Galliard and A.H. Boykin, local white men who knew that Buckner was a Negro. Although it was illegal at the time for a Negro to formally join the Confederate forces, the Ellison family's prestige nullified the law in the minds of Buckner's comrades. Buckner was wounded in action on July 12, 1863. At his funeral in Stateburg in August, 1895 he was praised by his former Confederate officers as being a "faithful soldier."

He was a third generation free black man. He was never a slave, never had a master.
Black Slave Owners Civil War Article by Robert M Grooms

They consider their master as their family and love them or some of them don´t know where they should go. You know there´re good and bad masters... Have you see the movie "Queen" - wrote by black author Alex Haley?

Yes, I saw Queen. It was filmed at a plantation just a few miles from my house.

 

[Texan Guy]

Except Sherman didn't destroy the city of Savannah on his march to the sea.

BTW it's no different than what the Southerners did in the book of "Cold Mountain".

I was talking about on how Sherman destroyed the properties of land and homes for the African-Americans' jobs and life, and Savannah wasn't destroy because it's on the sea. That's end of the Sherman's march.

 

[Daredevel7]

Wait, do people actually believe that MOST black men who fought in the Confederate army was completely free to do so and did it out of pure honor?

 

[dead money]

I also want to note that I just learned that my stepdad is the very distant cousin of General Lee.

Interesting, that's in my family tree somewhere as well.

 

[dead money]

Do you ever wonder what it would be like now as of today if the South had won and the North had lost? I kept wonder what it would be like as of today? Would it have been any different or worse or what? Ah, all those possibilities are running in my head.

It would be better *grin*

The end. :P

 

[dead money]

hmmmmmmmm I can make a wicked biscuts and gravy!!!!

I could live on that shit for the rest of my life, seriously.

 

[Reba]

Wait, do people actually believe that MOST black men who fought in the Confederate army was completely free to do so and did it out of pure honor?

Do you believe that black men were forced to fight for the Confederacy?

Does it make sense to you that the Confederate army would give loaded guns to black men who were forced against their will to join their army?

Many slave masters did NOT want their slaves to leave their plantations to join the army. Who would replace them in the field work?

If you read some of my links you would see that the black soldiers of the South volunteered, and were proud of their service.

Not all black volunteers did it for honor--the offer of freedom, and the lure of money were also reasons. (Did you read that the Southern black soldiers were paid the same, and sometimes more, than the white soldiers?)