cochlear implants

[Sweetmind]

One problem that you pointed out in earlier post is that not all of the teachers sign. When the deaf kids are mainstreamed in a few classes, they need a terp. As you so eloquently put it, what kind of freedom is that?

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4009/is_200107/ai_n9000867 and check it out in my email pls that I have other url for you to see that is not allowed to be shown in here.. So thats their loss!

You will see what someone and I have said it all along.


YES I did saying this aloud because it s not a real freedom to their Deaf rights at all. Other thing is that it s a real scary to see d/Deaf chlldren with or with devices or with or without their hands to communicate.. They do not get any equal opportunity to be independent after high school. They will be lost of their own Deaf adaption. Thats sad to see this audist attitude people who created more problem for d/Deaf children's needs to be helpless.


Whats more Teacher do not know the full knowledge of many issues or teach them about our true language , Deaf History / Deaf Role Model / ADA / etc etc that, d/Deaf children have the right to know about their own deaf culture/ Deaf community. Why wait until they get out of High school? They lost somewhere in America which is not necessary. Audist attitude people ruins everything for d/Deaf children 's needs and rights. sighs!


Why keep it so secret about or keep them away from Deaf community? Why forbidden to have ASL in the classroom after oralism took over who refused to see ASL is a good thing for us to have in our life.

Thats the purpose of their audist attitude's performance to destroy everything what we have in Deaf school that s our needs to meet our rights.

ADA!!!! Many people out there get away with it tooo million of times. I just dont understand why those audist attitude people refused to cooperate or work with us because they are too busy with their own thinking of HEAR and SPEAK only thats where it interferes our learning process by noise pollution or have an opportunity to learn more than struggling with their own ways.. So they are hurting our d/Deaf children s best interest. They are suffering and very painful to struggle with those kind of attitudes. It doesnt make a sense to me anymore. It hasnt stopped yet.

Like I said:

Too many times, I felt insulted that someone hired a new interpreter like a new teacher with no knowledge of ASL and do not use them in the classroom that I couldnt get the whole picture of whats going with teacher s saying cuz they are using toooooo English or make a gutter sign lanugage. OR miss out their students feedbacks. So how do you expect me to shut up about it? while I am trying to get more education to learn.

I dont think it s quite fair for deafies needs. Also they focused on deaf oralism with HA and CI that turns me off because of high ratio numbers or oralism people in that college.. Thats BS because it s my right and d/Deaf people with no or ex HA/ CI. MIND you, audist attitude people.

Try to be openminded and see the reason for us to say something. Also, I have to remind you there is not enough ASL interpreters in this society because SEE is for hearing people to learn that runs into a big problem with deafies as usual.

Also the interpreters with no knowledge of ASL do not have their certificate in many schools that is not an qualified interpreters in mainstream school that is totally wrong to have them as a interpreter. Many school doesn't want to pay more expenses on Interpreters. Thats violation of our rights. Sighs!


Deaf community has all kind of cultures itself for d/Deaf people.. So therefore we have Deaf cultures. Thats our positive outlook of our deafness everywhere in every countries that we d/Deaf people exists and much alive in this diversity world.


Many thanks for your support! Rockdrummer Also, thank you for your openmind and willing to find out why I said it this or that .. You make my day for a change. (LOL) And also, thank you for bring up new topic of audism issue. I love it.

Have a wonderful evening!

Sweetmind

 

[Angel]

You mean you don't like either hearing aids or CI implants?...How are you able to hear the sounds of the world? I'm curious SweetMind

 

[ismi]

When the deaf kids are mainstreamed in a few classes, they need a terp. As you so eloquently put it, what kind of freedom is that?

I'm a bit hesitant to speak up here, since there's a good chance I'll be flamed, but I'll give it a shot. I feel that being mainstreamed - at least partially - is a good thing. It's not possible to provide a deaf or signing teacher for every class a deaf student might be in - it's just not practical. Nor is it practical to duplicate all the opportunities of a mainstream school in a deaf school (not because it's a *deaf* school, but because it's separate - remember 'separate but equal'?).

So then, do we limit the educational options of deaf students by saying, if the teacher doesn't sign, they can't take that class? Or do we say, well, a natively taught class would be better, but this is what we've got? I went through a year of school with a PCA (Personal Care Attendant), a situation very similar to having an interpreter. Yes, it sucked, but had I not put up with it, I would have had to postpone a year of school or homeschooled that year.

Hypothetical: I have a school with 300 deaf students. 5 of them are interested in taking the AP Computer Science exam; the rest aren't. Do we say, "sorry, we don't have the resources to do a whole class, you're not gonna be able to do that", or do we offer them the option of having a 'terp and taking the class with the hearing students either in the same school (if the school has both hearing and deaf) or at a nearby mainstream school?

Here's another bonus to partial mainstreaming: at some point, these students are going to graduate. Isn't it a good thing if they have some experience interacting with hearies, with and/or without an interpreter? And on the flip side of that, what do you think breeds more understanding of d/Deaf - segregating them away from society and sending them to a "special" school, or integrating them into society and allowing their hearing peers to interact with them at a young age?

 

[Sweetmind]

You mean you don't like either hearing aids or CI implants?...How are you able to hear the sounds of the world? I'm curious SweetMind

Why are you worrying about the sounds all the time since the sounds is coming from the NOISE pollution that doesnt help you to know where is the sounds coming from? I know it so. I can handle it myself when I finally found my true identity that helps me to adapt my own deafness. I found it s more independent than depends on any artifiticial devices.

I am not helpless for not hear anything.. Scoffs! Look up my writings in every topic reply that you will find the answer. I am not gonna to repeat cuz you dont read it carefully.. ** shaking my head** Many of you dont give a damn and says aww i am so sorry.. Thats full of craps.

Enjoy to find my writings somewhere in any post topic and read it again.

Have a good night!
Sweetmind

 

[Angel]

Why are you worrying about the sounds all the time since the sounds is coming from the NOISE pollution that doesnt help you to know where is the sounds coming from? I know it so. I can handle it myself when I finally found my true identity that helps me to adapt my own deafness. I found it s more independent than depends on any artifiticial devices.

I am not helpless for not hear anything.. Scoffs! Look up my writings in every topic reply that you will find the answer. I am not gonna to repeat cuz you dont read it carefully.. ** shaking my head** Many of you dont give a damn and says aww i am so sorry.. Thats full of craps.

Enjoy to find my writings somewhere in any post topic and read it again.

Have a good night!
Sweetmind

Whoa, take easy there, I just asked a simple question, and I may not read every posts in this thread beside some of them are not related to what this thread is about and those posts I do ignore, so I'm sorry if I didn't read every posts of yours ...


But thanks for trying to be a bit kind! Yike :Ohno:

 

[Cloggy]

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I have been told that deaf children with CIs are not allowed to be with other d/Deaf children HAs or No HAs with signings [somewhere out of usa] in their country that person went to see it. I was shocked to see this happen is for a real. Thats how I feel offended by this audist attitude.
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I'm sure it happens. There are different view on how to get the best out of the CI.
In our case, we chose to continue with sign after our daughter was operated. She continued (and continues) to learn sign and during the time getting familiar with sound. Now, 1-1/4 year later - we can see that she would benefit more from having other children around her that only use speech for communication. So, we will have her in a "hearing" kindergarden for 3 days, and the rest of the week in the "deaf" kindergarden.

But I also heared of children with CI that were only exposed to speech, and that also works well. Sure, they don't learn sign but that's a choice the parents make for the child. (You can actually have a perfectly good life without being able to sign - or speak chinese)

But the objective with CI most of the times is to lean to speak. And the best way to do that is in a speaking environment.

 

[Passivist]

I'm sure it happens. There are different view on how to get the best out of the CI.
In our case, we chose to continue with sign after our daughter was operated. She continued (and continues) to learn sign and during the time getting familiar with sound. Now, 1-1/4 year later - we can see that she would benefit more from having other children around her that only use speech for communication. So, we will have her in a "hearing" kindergarden for 3 days, and the rest of the week in the "deaf" kindergarden.

But I also heared of children with CI that were only exposed to speech, and that also works well. Sure, they don't learn sign but that's a choice the parents make for the child. (You can actually have a perfectly good life without being able to sign - or speak chinese)

But the objective with CI most of the times is to lean to speak. And the best way to do that is in a speaking environment.

She can't learn effective speech from children who don't use it. UN-familiarity breeds contempt !

 

[Cloggy]

She can't learn effective speech from children who don't use it. UN-familiarity breeds contempt !

Absolutely on the first part, sort of on the second part since "contempt" is a strong word. I'm not familiar with being deaf but I do not contempt it. I look for information to get familiar, but I agree with you that I cannot get familiar on a forum where there are only hearing people. I need to talk and discuss with deaf people. But you are right in the way that "contempt" comes from Unfamiliarity. I see examples of unfamiliarity of the situation - a hearing couple that discovers that the child is deaf, and makes a decision - with as a result immediate contempt.

Back to speech development,
The government of Norway is offereing and thereby paying for the CI's so there's a lot of push to stop signing to the child. And I can understand it. When the parents decide for CI, or grownups, the state is investing a lot of money and I can see that they want it to be used.

We ignored the advice to stop signing because our daughter allready started it, and we refused to take away her means of comminucation. Now, being used to sounds and using speech herself, we are using fewer and fewer signs. We can see that she needs more children to play with that cannot sign.

Basically, when you choose for CI, you choose to learning to communicate by speech and should be willing to do the effort.

 

[Sweetmind]

I KNEW IT ALL ALONG that shows I AM NOT THAT STUPID. I know what I am talking about. I knew what he is trying to do for a long time.

That s a truly racist of deaf as well. To force d/Deafchildren away from each other which is totally wrongdoing. That s their attemptation to destroy d/Deaf children or people in Deaf community. We must tied our hands by audist attitude people. .Scoffs!!!!!!!!

I m not playing a head game and am very tireless advocate to stand up for our rights to freedom.

BINGO!!!!! I can see it throughly already before he mentioned it. Now you can see why he turned me off in a big time after all he attacked me for no reason after all I TOLD THE TRUTH.

 

[Gemtun]

Earlier in this thread, Sweetmind posted this:

Deaf community has all kind of cultures itself for d/Deaf people.. So therefore we have Deaf cultures. Thats our positive outlook of our deafness everywhere in every countries that we d/Deaf people exists and much alive in this diversity world.

So I have a question for you, Sweetmind. You stated that there are many different cultures within Deaf/d Community.

So why are you angry with other cultures within Deaf/d Community?? Dont each culture have their own values/norms? Just because I dont use ASL and have a CI, it doesnt mean Im a bad person. You seem to lash out at anyone who believes in choices of communication modes other than ASL yet you contradict yourself in that abovementioned post.

Why cant you just let other cultures within Deaf/d community alone and focus on your own culture? Anger will not go a long way. Your anger is very clear here but I dont know why we have to be punished for your past. Yes, I suffered through hell to learn lipreading and speech while growing up. Since age 1, Ive been subjected to 2 to 3 hours a day on speech therapy until I turned 19 years old. Eighteen years worth of agony yet I still cannot talk as well as a hearing person but I dont go around bashing everyone because of that. I see education is power, NOT anger period.

 

[Malfoyish]

I KNEW IT ALL ALONG that shows I AM NOT THAT STUPID. I know what I am talking about. I knew what he is trying to do for a long time.

Debatable.

That s a truly racist of deaf as well. To force d/Deafchildren away from each other which is totally wrongdoing. That s their attemptation to destroy d/Deaf children or people in Deaf community. We must tied our hands by audist attitude people. .Scoffs!!!!!!!!

How are you not racist towards others who firmly maintain their own perspectives on issues pertaining to CI's and/or any other assistive devices that they feel may benefit them? Additionally how are you not harboring animosity towards parents, friends, doctors and any other supporters of deaf/HoH children and adults that actually support these ideas?

I m not playing a head game and am very tireless advocate to stand up for our rights to freedom.

Your idea of freedom differs from others'. You ever think of that? Of course not. You've got it covered, eh?

 

[deafdyke]

. So, we will have her in a "hearing" kindergarden for 3 days, and the rest of the week in the "deaf" kindergarden.

Cloggy that's excellent!!!!! You really are doing well by your daughter. Just a word of advice.....continue that schooling arrangment until your daughter is old enough to help decide which schooling sitution she likes best. I was pushed towards the mainstream....it was always "mainstream, mainstream mainstream!"

But I also heared of children with CI that were only exposed to speech, and that also works well. Sure, they don't learn sign but that's a choice the parents make for the child. (You can actually have a perfectly good life without being able to sign - or speak chinese

Yes, but why should the parents be the ones to decide which tools the child should use? Many of us here grew up without sign.....and we're glad we can function in the hearing world....we're just wondering why speaking means totally rejecting Sign and Deaf culture in general.
Yes, there are some folks who've had good lives without sign, but a lot of them are Super dhh types (folks who would be considered high powered even among hearing folks) Others may be in denial and have really bought into the pro auditory-verbal philosophy that mainstreaming and the hearing world are Utopias. I mean, are you aware that even many high acheiving oral folks still have significent social issues, comparable to those seen with Asperger's Syndrome?

 

[Sweetmind]

Deaf community has all kind of cultures itself for d/Deaf people.. So therefore we have Deaf cultures. Thats our positive outlook of our deafness everywhere in every countries that we d/Deaf people exists and much alive in this diversity world.

Thats very positive outlook about deaf people in thier Deaf community that I am very support their Deaf languages and Deaf people s rights to freedom. So why are you complain about this?? It doesnt make sense.

I am Deaf and proud of it. I am not ashamed of showing my hands to communicate with anybody in this diversity world.. People out there need to be educate about d/Deaf people s true identity and our Deaf languages that is very important to all of our d/Deaf children s rights.

Why bother to hide our deafness since they have a very negative view on deafness all along? I am not gonna to destroy myself because I BORN DEAF. Scoffs!

Many thanks!
Sweetmind

 

[Malfoyish]

Thats very positive outlook about deaf people in thier Deaf community that I am very support their Deaf languages and Deaf people s rights to freedom. So why are you complain about this?? it doesnt make sense.

In a lot of respects, neither do you.

 

[Gemtun]

Thats very positive outlook about deaf people in thier Deaf community that I am very support their Deaf languages and Deaf people s rights to freedom. So why are you complain about this?? It doesnt make sense.

I am Deaf and proud of it. I am not ashamed of showing my hands to communicate with anybody in this diversity world.. People out there need to be educate about d/Deaf people s true identity and our Deaf languages that is very important to all of our d/Deaf children s rights.

Why bother to hide our deafness since they have a very negative view on deafness all along? I am not gonna to destroy myself because I BORN DEAF. Scoffs!

Many thanks!
Sweetmind

Erm..who is telling you to destroy yourself? I dont see anyone telling you that you cant use ASL or whatnot. I dont see anyone telling you your choices.

You keep saying Languages in plural so you have to admit that there are many different languages within Deaf/d Community so why are you attacking others if they prefer to use SEE or PSE or whatnot??? That just doesnt make any sense to me. *shaking my head*

 

[Malfoyish]

Erm..who is telling you to destroy yourself? I dont see anyone telling you that you cant use ASL or whatnot. I dont see anyone telling you your choices.

You keep saying Languages in plural so you have to admit that there are many different languages within Deaf/d Community so why are you attacking others if they prefer to use SEE or PSE or whatnot??? That just doesnt make any sense to me. *shaking my head*

Oh, my god. I've been destroyed. *wails* How amusing it is, when we as the choice-maker, feel we benefit from it...and others are insisting that we're destroyed and no longer "free." Perhaps they try too hard to do the thinking FOR us.

Good luck trying to make much sense out of some of this garb. LOL. I've been trying for several weeks, now.

 

[Cloggy]

I KNEW IT ALL ALONG that shows I AM NOT THAT STUPID. I know what I am talking about. I knew what he is trying to do for a long time.

That s a truly racist of deaf as well. To force d/Deafchildren away from each other which is totally wrongdoing. That s their attemptation to destroy d/Deaf children or people in Deaf community. We must tied our hands by audist attitude people. .Scoffs!!!!!!!!

I m not playing a head game and am very tireless advocate to stand up for our rights to freedom.

BINGO!!!!! I can see it throughly already before he mentioned it. Now you can see why he turned me off in a big time after all he attacked me for no reason after all I TOLD THE TRUTH.

Swwwwwweeeeetmind. Imagine that a parent that has not decided between CI or no-CI will read your answer. I think your advocacy for d/Deaf children just went out the window. Fortunately, there are others on this messageboard that will make the parent think a bit longer.

 

[Sweetmind]

People with audist attitude do not get it yet.. I am waiting until time comes that will hit your face someday. Thats how I was being destroy for not who I am for many years after all I was forced to be a hearing child. That s totally wrong from audist attitude people who tried to destroy everythng that we have in our Deaf community/ Deaf schools/ ASL/ and many things that take away from d/Deaf children's best interest before think twice. In late age, I found my true identity that is very important for me that shows d/Deaf people are not that stupid and can do anything except hear..

TWO way street has never exist in this hearing world. So be it! Many people ignored our rights to freedom in ADA and many other things that we are not getting nowhere.

I am seeing things get worse and worse that has not solved the problem. So what the heck going on in ths society. For God s sake!!!!

JEEEZZZZZ

 

[Malfoyish]

People with audist attitude do not get it yet.. I am waiting until time comes that will hit your face someday. Thats how I was being destroy for not who I am for many years after all I was forced to be a hearing child. That s totally wrong from audist attitude people who tried to destroy everythng that we have in our Deaf community/ Deaf schools/ ASL/ and many things that take away from d/Deaf children's best interest before think twice. In late age, I found my true identity that is very important for me that shows d/Deaf people are not that stupid and can do anything except hear..

TWO way street has never exist in this hearing world. So be it! Many people ignored our rights to freedom in ADA and many other things that we are not getting nowhere.

I am seeing things get worse and worse that has not solved the problem. So what the heck going on in ths society. For God s sake!!!!

JEEEZZZZZ

Perhaps it's attitudes like yours that contribute to the worsening of outlooks in today's society. Instead of blaming other folks who are able to see a bigger picture, why don't you take a good hard look at yourself and your own theories?

 

[Cheri]

This thread is about Cochlear implants, not about any languages. Shall we get back on topic?