cochlear implants

Boult said:
Let me rephrase this:

are you saying your hearing loss worse than cheri?

ok the scale of hearing loss is:
Normal
normal-mild
mild
mild-moderate
moderate
moderate-severe
severe
severe-profound
profound

so you said you think cheri is profound while you say yours is severe-profound

my hearing loss is severe to profound which means I cannot hear the water like you claim to.. so that would means yours is mild to severe cuz you can hear water running! although in your earlier post, you only said you can't understand speech without hearing aid so I am assuming that you can hear those sounds you mentioned like running water?? so why don't you ask cheri for her specific hearing loss status than telling her "I think your is" this and that..

I do know mine cuz I have been tested many time.. which is Bilateral Severe to Profound Sensorineural Hearing Loss. my audiogram chart show from 70db to 100+db. unaided. now I have ci in my right ear and I am in 20 to 30db level across.

here's some links to understand some kind of hearing loss:
http://www.asha.org/public/hearing/disorders/types.htm
http://www.raisingdeafkids.org/hearingloss/testing/audiogram/

The reason I bring this up is because you told cheri "you are more like hard of hearing than total deaf" so do you equate profound = hard of hearing?
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Okay .. Here is my odiogram datas..
I have been tested a lot of times too..
and I wasn't found to be able to serve in the army as well..
I was given an official report by a military hospital stating that I 'm not suitable to serve in the army in my country.. :(

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LEFT EAR

at 250 hertz , 70 DBL
at 500 hertz , 85 DBL
at 1000 hertz , 95 DBL
at 2000 hertz , 80 DBL
at 4000 hertz , 80 DBL
at 6000 hertz , 75 DBL

pure tone average (air) :86 DBL
pure tone average (bone) :66+ DBL
STR :85 DBL
MCL :100 DBL
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RIGHT EAR

at 250 hertz , 90 DBL
at 500 hertz , 105 DBL
at 1000 hertz , 100 DBL
at 2000 hertz , 80 DBL
at 4000 hertz , 70 DBL
at 6000 hertz , 75 DBL

pure tone average (air) :95 DBL
pure tone average (bone) :66+ DBL
STR :90 DBL
MCL :105 DBL
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So, you see my loss is at least severe to profound..

You may not be able to hear running water but I may.. and I don't know why we are different in that way.. Perhaps an audiologist can explain this difference.
 
Cheri said:
This is what the discussion board is for, to share their opinions with each others and learn from each others, I've learned a great deal from Cloggy even through we don't always see eye to eye, But I'm starting to know a great deal from him regarding about his daughter. Nobody really gave me the right answers I've been searching for a long time until Cloggy came on this message board. So I thankful to have Cloggy here to discuss some questions I may have or sharing my opinions with him, and having him sharing his with me. ;)


Yes I´m with you...

I enjoy myself to read Cloggy´s post what he think and feeling about deaf culture since he had a deaf daughter. That´s what I like about him here... :thumb:

Cloggy, I find wonderful of you to learn deaf world thru your daughter and want learn sign for her and want her know who she really is. We are learn to understand you as hearing person how you feeling toward deaf world. Its great to have you around here.
 
not really severe to profound because it seems not Bilateral Sensorineural Hearing loss.
becasue both are not similar. Your left hear seems to be "severe" and it hasn't hit profound level. and your right hear is a 'reverse ski slope" type and is profound to severe (reversed). chance are that in your left hear heard the runnign water. You could try plugging your left and listen then switch and listen. But I think running water can't be louder than 70 to 80db (I do not have a sound analyzer to find out the db LOL! ) anyway mine is: both ear are very similar so I will avg the db for both ear;

125 - 75
250 - 90
500 - 100
1000 - 115
2000 - 120+
4000 - 120+
8000 - 95

That's severe to pround in true sense :) It fasincate me that in 8000hz I hear at 95db! amazing... it tells me how bad my corti are in my cochlea where there is field of hair cells so from low to high in the middle area, all of hair cells may be degenerated.

I can't serve my country either.. I was on selective service as required by law but I know they will reject after finding out that I am deaf with that kind of loss I have.
 
Hey, I was at Bear's house last summer as far as I know she is latened deaf herself at age 14. She hears and speaks very well. While I was there, she did not force me to speak with her and she did not force me to use hearing aid or whatever she accepted me for who I was.

Why cant everyone learn from Bear to accept people for who they are not who she thinks they should be?

That's simple she met me on my terms not vice versa. When I came into her, she could have said "This is a oral house here, you speak." She didnt though because she accepted me as I am deaf and uses my hands to communicate with and I didnt ask her not to speak. However, sometimes I just let them know that they dont have to use their voices with me so that way they can feel more relax to express their own true inner soul. I have seen that sometimes she doesnt use her voices all the time with me without her knowledge. ;)

It s so simple that we are really accepted each other for who we were. NOT a deaf person or a hearing person but for who we were. ;)

Thats all to it!

I wish to be Deaf and she wishes she is to be Hearing and there is nothing wrong with either one of those wishes and doesnt stop us from being friends. LOL right?? Bear

However the only thing Bear and I truly differ on is our wishes for ourselves.

I am too tired to listen those artitificial devices or the sounds itself because it kills me all those years that doesnt help me to fit into a hearing person if you people dont mind. Today's I do not wear HA anymore that is still making a lot of sounds inside of my right ear. I suffered for NOTHING! It s very painful for me and many deafies that we were forced to hear with those devices because Audist attitude SAID SO. Scoffs!

Also I can speak well but however I dont like the feelings in my throat that keep me dry it out and discomfortable to use my voices all day along because it has to be their oralism s way which is totally wrong to force me or many d/Deaf children s rights to freedom to be destroyed.


Have a wonderful day! ;)
Sweetmind
 
Sweetmind,

I couldnt agree with that statement more if i wrote it myself about us accepting each other as we were.

But, you also accepted me as a latened deaf who could hear still and speak. You didnt tell me hey dont speak around me, as I am deaf and dont like it.

You accepted me as I was. I get what your saying.

Your saying we should ALL accept each other as we are and for who we are .

No matter if we were deaf, oral, hearing, or handicapped in other ways.

I respect that statement.

Now to get back to the topic at hand it also applies to CI's, this topic is simple really its about accepting each others opinions and decisions to have CI's or not.

Boult has a CI, I dont. Can or should that stop me and Boult from meeting or being friends???

In my opinion no it shouldnt.

Cloggy, chose to have her son implanted with a CI. Ok no problem it still doesnt change WHO Cloggy is. She is still a person well worth meeting.

I may not agree with her decision, but that is my right.

I realize there are other devices planted into people doesnt mean i agree with them either.

Remember I stated I was only writing MY opinion. I didnt say it was THE ONLY RIGHT OPINION. I just said it was simply MY OPINION.

I would chose to allow my child to be deaf before I would ever implant anything near a childs brain. Even if it was only a skull implant it is close enough for me.

Maybe other parents are comfortable with it. Hey thats great its your decision, your child not mine.

But, isnt this message board for a debate? Isnt it for us to offer our own opinions and beliefs?

If not how are we supposed to get to know one another?

These are my very own real fears and real thoughts on the issue. I respect Boult for pointing out there are other devices implanted and i commend him for offering a good debate.

We all have to weigh our decisions before making them. And I do realize there are foreign parts implanted into people everyday. Some are very necessary. TO ME AND ME ONLY a CI is not a necessary thing. SO therefore not worth the risks.

Because it is not only a CI you have to weigh when deciding to implant into your children.

What about anethesia? Be it general or not. There is still a risk of a bad reaction there. Would I risk that with MY OWN child simply to give that child hearing? NO! Would I risk it to remove a brain tumor? YES.

These are MY decisions not yours. I do respect yours for implanting your children. To Me it is something we shouldnt do. To you it is. Cool I agree to disagree.

AS for a CI making a person hearing as far as I know it doesnt and nothing ever will. We are all still deaf. Just some of us using devices to make it so we can hear sounds.

Will I get a CI someday? Maybe. Cant say I will or wont. Cause I do strongly miss being able to hear. But that is me. I am a latened deaf and cannot objectively see the *true deaf* side. Meaning those that we born deaf or became deaf so young they never remember hearing.

I am adult though. So the decision to implant myself is totally different to me than the decision to implant my child. I am old enough to weigh the options and know if i want something implanted into me.

For right now I am choosing not to have a CI implanted. Maybe later i will change that decision.

Would I *force* someone else to get a CI? NO. I accept their right to choose what is best for them.

I never ever said you were forcing your children into getting them. But truley does that child have a say-so at 18 months or younger? NO. But hey its your child not mine. I respect that and realize it.

No there isnt anything wrong with wanting to give your child more options. I am a latened deaf knowing what it is like to hear.

But the thought still crosses my mind. Are we doing what WE THINK is best for our children? OR are we doing what IS BEST for us?

Now im not accusing anyone!! Dont get the wrong idea. But the thought is there.

I know the wonders of sound. I know the wonders of music. I would give anything to give a deaf child the chance at those wonders. But would I also risk my childs life for them? NO.

Any and I do mean ANY surgery is a risk. Why do one that is not necessary to keep your child alive? A child can live without a CI. Could a child live without a pacemaker or a plate put into the head? Maybe, maybe not. I would weigh those options if it happened.

I think we as parents do what we think is best at the time. Be it right or wrong. I think we face difficult decisions everyday. I coomend that. I dont degrade it.

Cloggy, you offered your reasons for implanting your child. Good job. I respect that the decision you made was not done lightly.

I am only offering my opinion.

Bear
 
Boult said:
not really severe to profound because it seems not Bilateral Sensorineural Hearing loss.
becasue both are not similar. Your left hear seems to be "severe" and it hasn't hit profound level. and your right hear is a 'reverse ski slope" type and is profound to severe (reversed). chance are that in your left hear heard the runnign water. You could try plugging your left and listen then switch and listen. But I think running water can't be louder than 70 to 80db (I do not have a sound analyzer to find out the db LOL! ) anyway mine is: both ear are very similar so I will avg the db for both ear;

125 - 75
250 - 90
500 - 100
1000 - 115
2000 - 120+
4000 - 120+
8000 - 95

That's severe to pround in true sense :) It fasincate me that in 8000hz I hear at 95db! amazing... it tells me how bad my corti are in my cochlea where there is field of hair cells so from low to high in the middle area, all of hair cells may be degenerated.

I can't serve my country either.. I was on selective service as required by law but I know they will reject after finding out that I am deaf with that kind of loss I have.

Thanks buddy :ty:

I've now learned what type my loss is.
My left ear is of severe .
My right ear is of profound to severe (reverse slope type).

Anyways, My loss is high.. especially,I miss consonant sounds.

Buddy, BTW, In your opinion,can I be a good candidate for CI ?
 
ecevit said:
Thanks buddy :ty:

I've now learned what type my loss is.
My left ear is of severe .
My right ear is of profound to severe (reverse slope type).

Anyways, My loss is high.. especially,I miss consonant sounds.

Buddy, BTW, In your opinion,can I be a good candidate for CI ?
does a hearing aid benefit you at all? are you able to use phone with hearing aid? and I am no audie :)
 
Boult said:
does a hearing aid benefit you at all? are you able to use phone with hearing aid? and I am no audie :)

Ok.. buddy :)
thanks and have a great day :)
 
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Oh, Sweetmind, Congratulations on you wonderful spelling and choice of words. Your development is truly amazing. ...... Actually, she describes how hearing people treat her, not ALL deaf people. And why would that be? As a hearing person I could be offended by allmost everything she writes, and that has nothing to do with difference of opinion, it has to do with being able to view someone else's point of view.


Nice try!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have already stated to anybody that they are responsibile for their own inner feelings and that I have not pointed at anyone. It s your issue not mine. I did not say ALL as well. STOP making this up about me. Thank you very much.
You are absolutely right seeing it from your point of view.From my point of view, I suspect that it is someone else writing her pieces, not Sweetmind. I have seen this before, and felt a strong urge to comment. It's bad practice to have someone else write under your username. I have no problem with someone using bad grammar of making typing mistakes. As a foreigner I will probably do the same. It is the message that counts.The Sweetmind I got to know would never have used the language that I commented on.

What a very bigotted attitude you have! How dare you accused me. That helps you to use your own vengance and weapons against me and destroy my evidence in my writing. Why??
Because I do not wearing HA for six years that shows my writing improvement has nothing to do with it. I was told by people with a great attitude that I did a wonderful job on my writings. It shows that I am not that stupid/lazy or helpless without HA as you think.

Whats more, there is ALLOW TO EDIT for anybody to fix our writings anytime if they want to. No one tells me not to do this or that. So heck with you as a audist attitude person. :(

Sweetmind's
After I quit HA and have been reading the books alot more than I used to that helps me to write my own improvements. Also I can
understand ASL better than English itself alone from the start that I was
struggled with for years and years because I do not even understand their rules by gimmick mouth. It s very hard to learn English structure because
every day everybody dont write ENGLISH to be ordered anymore.. Second
language and SLANG languages that I have seen so many times. Also I have
edited so many times and sometimes I just heck with it after the first original post reply for a reason.

I have already explained this earlier.
This is not the first time I have said it in here and other forums. You IGNORE my message or dont bother to read my writings. Why?? Does that cause you big trouble? You are still doing this to me for a year - WHAT is your fricky problem? Jealousy or what?? That s really childish and too immature for a CI Radical father.

Sorry pal! I am a natural legally deaf and using my hands to communicate with both communities not for just the Hearing world only.

I earned for my own benefits to work and practice on reading and writing all along for six years. Does that make a big difference? Why do you refused to accept that fact that I D I D IT. Scoffs! ASL is my first language. I was with many d/Deaf children and we got to interact each other. That makes my life enjoyable more than having an isolation with a god damn oral speaking (gimmice face) only at home.

Guess what, I had been using toooo many artitifical languages with orally speaking from the start in the classroom all those years. That's when I got screwed up with my written English.

Boy, dont you know it??? It takes a lot of practice to learn how to read and write. However I prefer using the computer cuz it's much easier to edit than writing or editing on the paper. It's much quick than write over and over again with a pen or pencil. Thats where I found my own comfort writing on the keyboard with a big monitor like 20 inches so I can see and read it , write it, and edit/type it better.

Can you imagine?? Many teachers doesn't know sign language very well at school. AND they work with d/Deaf children in mainstream schools? How can that be?? Why does that happen? They depend on interpreters all day long. That is not real independence for any d/Deaf children who have a right to freedoms.

SEE belongs to hearing people to learn but not for d/Deaf children. Thats the purpose to have SEE for hearing people who wants to teach Spoken English. It shouldnt be done on any interpreter to know SEE only. They need to learn and use ASL.

Come on, Use your common sense. It is important to use our Deaf's receptive eyes, and brains that work to helps us to focus, read, understand, and write written English that has nothing to do with our deaf ears.

You think you know it all about being deaf. You dont even know what it's like to be deaf. You are out of order to speak for your child about CI itself while she is too young to speak out for herself yet. I have seen two movies that are "First Sight" and original one "The Sound and The Fury" movies. You better have a double check again.

You dont know what to hear in CI itself as well as it s not normal sounds. It's artificial sounds. I find this is a real joke for a deaf child to be told to be a hearing child or is functionally hearing with an artificial sounds. You don't hear one sound alone everyday that interferes with their learning process.

Guess what? I feel insulted by your bringing up my written English because you refused to accept that d/Deaf people can do while they have ASL in their lives. And my rights is to use my eyes and hands that I can learn better than depends on my ears if it s okay with you..

I find this is dilly silly to force d/Deaf children to use their eyes while they have to lipread all day. They are actually miss out so many things that they could have learn more while it strains their eyes and to memorize those basic words to listen. Sighs!

It seems to me that you are pushing too far as always. What makes you think you are the expert of a Deaf child with your own audist attitude?

And dont you mind that I am a Deaf mother with/without HA or orally speaking, of two hearing children who could sign with me in ASL when they were four to six months old. I was a Deaf child myself if you dont mind. I have more experiences all along with many deafies. For gods sake! Give d/Deaf children a break to be themselves that they can do it on their own with their own adaption.


"And the possibility that a child might fall... how about the dangers in traffic when the child is deaf?"

what a real outrageous question that you have asked us?.. Look all of us deafies are much native with a very natural deafness in this forums that are much alive. Dont you see it?????

Stop using an excuse to find something that Deaf itself is too dangerous to live with. We deafies are fine and capable to drive, walk, run, play, work, read , write , focus, use the receptive eyes, feel the vibration, windy, dust, and many things. JEEZ I dont need to depend on CI or HA devices. YOu cannot accept the Deaf reality.

Also you said I cannot live with Deaf community and Hearing communities.. Why not? I go out with hearing friends who knows ASL in both communities. I dont have to stuck into hearing world like you want it to be this way. Thats Negative audist attitude people who intend to say that We are not interacting hearing people if we are in Deaf community. Guess what I live with hearing parents and bros and sisters and many people that I am surrounding in a diversity world not hearing world. They dont sign ASL or any kind of artitificial languages in hearing world if you dont mind. I find this is a real negative bias of yours.

There is no such thing about cure or miracle our deafness from CI devices.. SIGHS!! Dont act like a GOD or Faith Leap. Thats turn me off in big time.

What a pity that you looked me down as well. Your bigotry / discriminator will come backi around to you back to you sooner or later.

Thats why I bother to reply to only a few of your comments. It's worthless for me to share with you after all you gave me your negative audist attitude. Thank you for your true colors.

You gave somebody a false accusation about my writings. There is no one write under my account name. And I got banned for no reason. Scoffs! So I dont have any respect for you after all you are listened those followers who hate my courage to share my different philosophy from them. You are on one sided and trying to playing a game with those people here as I can see. You are not changing for better and are trying to looking for something that you can find and make it so negative reinforcement about our deafness. that reminds what CI professional did all along for a long time.. I never forget this about the bibicial quote to use negatve statement against our deafness. Thats where I stood up and you hate my guts and my truth. Tough luck!

:ty: for all that troubles for me from you. !!!!

Sweetmind
 
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Please bear in mind, everyone deserves the right to express their own opinions/ideas, etc., without stepping over the ideas/opinions of others, once again, respect is the key and for which is vital to keep such a debate on-going whereas every member can contribute in a constructive manner while at the same time being able to 'agree to disagree'....

Thank you!!


~RR
 
Bear said:
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Cloggy, you offered your reasons for implanting your child. Good job. I respect that the decision you made was not done lightly.

I am only offering my opinion.

Bear
Thanks Bear,
Enjoying to read your post and respecting your opinion. Good thing about a messageboard like this is that you can ask advice from the people who have "been there / done it".
 
Roadrunner said:
Mod Note:

Let's end the finger-pointing here...if anyone has a complaint or problems with another member, please report it to one of the moderators or PM one of us. The belittling or accusing others of doing this or that also needs to stop. Otherwise this thread will get closed for awhile to allow things cool down.

Please bear in mind, everyone deserves the right to express their own opinions/ideas, etc., without stepping over the ideas/opinions of others, once again, respect is the key and for which is vital to keep such a debate on-going whereas every member can contribute in a constructive manner while at the same time being able to 'agree to disagree'....

Thank you!!


~RR


You've no chance with due respect RR, the anti versus pro view seems pretty rabid in the USA, the only way to agree to disagree is to stop any more debate on it. I'm loathe to support that but the feelings are very strong on both sides, sooner or later the Mod has to step in. It dies down a bit,then comes back again, and again,and again (except if you live in the UK we buried this over a year ago), freedom of choice won. Strange the Americans can't do this...
 
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^Angel^ said:
Just because some parents rather their children to be implanted with CI, doesn't mean they think being Deaf is awful or sad, and I can see some people here are confused on CI implants and how they really work, Implants does not restore or create normal hearing, instead it can give a deaf person a useful auditory understanding of the environment and help him/her to understand speech clearly, just like some Deaf/HOH people prefer to wear just hearing aids...


Cochlear Implants are very different from hearing aids, hearing aids amplify sound when Cochlear Implants compensate for damage parts of the inner ear, convert sound waves in the air into electrical impulses... these impulses are then sent to the brain, where Deaf person will recognized them as a sound, the cochlear implant works in a similar manner, It electronically finds useful sounds and then sends them to the brain and hearing through an implant may sound different from normal hearing, but it allows them to communicate fully with oral communication in person and over the phone too...Adult and children can be candidates for CI implants and even adults who have lost all of their hearing or most of their hearing later in life can benefit from the use of CI but it doesn't mean they don't like being Deaf, they just want to hear something rather than nothing at all, so what's wrong with that? Why do some of you hate the idea of an adult or child being implanted with CI, when some of you are still wearing hearing aids, yet I don't see a difference in this, care to explain this to me please? anyone?....
Agreed! Cochlear implants themselves aren't evil. I have a deaf friend who prefers signing with me (which has come in handy when the battery on her CI died!) She doesn't know how to lipread, but she still signs, she still is a member of Deaf Culture, but wants to hear hearing people.

The only thing that bothers me about CI's is how people are often taught to depend 100% on them, so if they break, the person is screwed. My friend doesn't depend 100% on it; she still signs.
 
the anti versus pro view seems pretty rabid in the USA, (except if you live in the UK we buried this over a year ago), freedom of choice won. Strange the Americans can't do this...
Passifist, you think it's bad NOW? You should have been around five or six years ago before NAD issued their revised position statements on CIs. THAT was RABID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Besides the debate is different here. In the UK (and most other countries) it is VERY difficult to get CI, if you get benifit from aids. Whereas in the US you can sometimes get CI if you have pretty good hearing. There are unfortunatly a lot of TrEnDy gadget folks out there who absolutly positively have to have the latest hearing assistance. There's even a rumor that they might open up implantation for UNILATERAL folks!
 
Liebling said:
They told me THEMSELVES how they feel toward their parents. They feel that their parents do not accept what they are but want to change them to be like their parents. Most of CI users lost their respect on their parents for that. Their parents REGRETTED it and realized that it´s not really necassary to implant their babies with CI. That´s all what I know.
Liebling, I don't know if you are a parent or not. I can tell you with no uncertainty that our decision had nothing to do with acceptance. It would appall me to think anyone would make such a decision for that reason although I am sure it does happen. While I am sure what you are saying is true, I'm reminded of the posts to this thread by CI recipients that are happy with the decision regardless of who made it. As I am sure it's true there are many that oppose it.
Liebling said:
I respect your decision as parent but I ask you the same to respect me.
I have nothing but the utmost respect for you. I don't believe I said anything disrespectful, but if I did, I am sorry.
Liebling said:
Remember that CI is not belongs to kind of emergency... that´s why I rather to leave my child´s choice.
You are absolutely correct. It is not a medical emergency and I totally get that point of view. And I would urge parents to factor this into their decisions.

For us, there was a bit of urgency because meningitis was the culprit. Ossification creates a limited window of opportunity for success. Additionally, his other ear was not a candidate due to a malformed cochlea. So while it was not a medical emergency per se', we did have additional pressures to reach a decision rather quickly. Also there was limited information available to me (10 years ago). I am not trying to justify myself here but merely pointing out what we had to factor into our decision. While I can't speak for all parents, I would imagine that this decision has everything to do with what they feel is in the best interest of their child. It's not about their ability to hear, or about their becoming like us. It's about their ability to achieve. This not to say they cant achieve without a CI, we just believe they will have a better chance. I would ask those that have CI's if they found it easier to achieve with their CI's. I can't speak to that subject.

:ty: for sharing your experience and insight.
 
gnulinuxman said:
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The only thing that bothers me about CI's is how people are often taught to depend 100% on them, so if they break, the person is screwed. My friend doesn't depend 100% on it; she still signs.

Er...I guess you can put me in that category. I'm definitely up the tree without a ladder. Fortunately, I have two of them in case one breaks down and there is always a loaner available in the worst case scenario. A good point though...
 
Make all d/Deaf children to deal with Hearing world alone while they dont have a deaf friend that they can feel comfortable with.. Can we deafies friends with d/Deaf with or without HA or CI children of Disabilities and with or with no HA or with or without oral speaking? We are not allowed to have that is what I am getting their negative impression.

I have been told that deaf children with CIs are not allowed to be with other d/Deaf children HAs or No HAs with signings [somewhere out of usa] in their country that person went to see it. I was shocked to see this happen is for a real. Thats how I feel offended by this audist attitude.

Thats a real racist of Deaf children/Deaf adults.

That' s when and where you got it from their influences that you agreed with them while they dont really know the full details of being deaf.....
It doesnt matter when, it s STILL active of audist attitude issue that has not stopped it yet.

What a pity! d/Deaf people are being so blind and being take advantage of by audist attitude professional who is trying to wipe out Deaf people / Deaf community.. Duhie!

Thank you! ;)
Sweetmind
 
You've no chance with due respect RR, the anti versus pro view seems pretty rabid in the USA, the only way to agree to disagree is to stop any more debate on it. I'm loathe to support that but the feelings are very strong on both sides, sooner or later the Mod has to step in. It dies down a bit,then comes back again, and again,and again (except if you live in the UK we buried this over a year ago), freedom of choice won. Strange the Americans can't do this...

I agree with you completely since many issues that has been hidden behind this topic. I have the evidence that I was being discriminated and prejudiced by them (deaf oralism) people, CI RADICAL people and audist attitude people who hate everything that we have in Deaf community. So audist attitude people took over our deaf community after all we Deaf natural people / chlidren were pushed out of our Deaf community and Hearing world. FOR GOD S SAKE!!!!

However, I dont say it s their faults because they didnt know any better or refused to see the truth which is the biggest problem.. They actually hurt our d/Deaf children s future and best interest..

They are dishonest and lies about many things that I stood up.. They harrassed me and take awat from my freedom of speech with responsibility.. They robbed my own speak it out freely. It s not new thing for me to deal with all that negative audist attitude people in here and out there.. It s a proven. ;)


IT SUX as far as I can see. It s so sad to see a real thing that affects us every day of our lives.

They like to control and power over people who is strong outspoken for a real stupid and ignorant reason.. So they can bashing me anytime as they wish. I am not gonna to tell a tale to any moderators or owner because thats their job to check it out . I am not a child as they think..Scoffs!

Thank you!
Sweetmind
 
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Sweetmind said:
Make all d/Deaf children to deal with Hearing world alone while they dont have a deaf friend that they can feel comfortable with.. Can we deafies friends with d/Deaf with or without HA or CI children of Disabilities and with or with no HA or with or without oral speaking? We are not allowed to have that is what I am getting their negative impression.

I have been told that deaf children with CIs are not allowed to be with other d/Deaf children HAs or No HAs with signings [somewhere out of usa] in their country that person went to see it. I was shocked to see this happen is for a real. Thats how I feel offended by this audist attitude.

Thats a real racist of Deaf children/Deaf adults.

That' s when and where you got it from their influences that you agreed with them while they dont really know the full details of being deaf.....
It doesnt matter when, it s STILL active of audist attitude issue that has not stopped it yet.

What a pity! d/Deaf people are being so blind and being take advantage of by audist attitude professional who is trying to wipe out Deaf people / Deaf community.. Duhie!

Thank you! ;)
Sweetmind
Sweetmind, I am sure these things do happen and I would agree that it is an audist attitude. I am happy that the school system where my child goes is not like that. Children from the whole spectrum learn together. One problem that you pointed out in earlier post is that not all of the teachers sign. When the deaf kids are mainstreamed in a few classes, they need a terp. As you so eloquently put it, what kind of freedom is that?

I am also grateful that the extracurricular activates my child participates in do not segregate either. Personally, I would not tolerate anything less. There is a whole mix of kids there and they all get along (as much as kids do) and are free to socialize with whom ever they choose. I think this is a result of the involvement of dedicated parents, volunteers and professionals.

Thank you!
 
on the other hand rockdrummer, many, parents out there are incredibily negative about the fact that their kids are "different" ....they really buy into the myth that hearing and talking can help assimulate a dhh kid into the greater hearing society. While oral skills DO help in getting along in the greater world, very few dhh kids belong 100% in the hearing world (and most of those kids are either very mildly hoh OR were late deafened)
 
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