CI--Deaf or Hearing?

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GrendelQ said:
:thumb: I've seen the same thing (but from the ASL fumbling perspective, not the patient long-time Deaf viewpoint)! Although the little CI users were all fluent signers in this case :) It's really wonderful. My daughter has truly been taken in (and us, with her, otherwise, she'd be in a jam :) ), and it just makes me so happy to see her welcomed and accepted for who she is by those who support her awareness of herself.

I think if more new parents of deaf kids had visibility into that real-life acceptance, rather than coming across hostility in online communities, or seeing headlines about those opposed to CIs in children, we'd have so many more people take an ASL path. Those who otherwise would have no understanding of the depth and breadth of the Deaf community beyond what may be small, locally, could come here and see that there is a community of common language users, and that their children could become equal participants from the time they are children without being removed from their families. This thread is exactly what they'll come here looking for, to see if their child, if their family will be accepted by the community that uses this new language they are considering.

Think about how this community has welcomed so many parents of CI-wearing kids here, I'm trying to recall those who've been around at some point during the years I've been here, but maybe there are others, too: Cloggy, Faire Jour, Rick48, Drew'sDad, Rockdrummer, JackieSolozano, and me (my husband is a member, but I don't think he's ever posted after reading one particularly scary thread back in 2007, so I can't count him) -- who am I missing? Cole's Mom was on for a month or two. So, there are at least 7 parents of kids with CIs who are members, and people coming here can get a sense of how these folks, who've been around for a bit of time, are accepted. They can interact with them about how their kids are doing and if they are having any difficulties integrating as a CI user into the Deaf world here or in real life, especially since unlike most adult CI users who were raised oral-only, these are, for the most part, kids who do or have in the past use SL in varying degrees.
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Grendel - I'm not sure if you've already responded to my previous post or I may have missed it.

Is your daughter doing BiBi program - ASL + English?
 
In response to Cheetah's post that FJ found the need to respond to twice :lol::

No one is saying that a hearing parent who is informed and exposes the deaf child to culturally Deaf adults and families can't raise a child to become culturally Deaf. However, since that parent is hearing, the child will not have been exposed, from birth, to the values, attitudes, and beliefs that are inherent in cultural Deafness. They will have been exposed to those of the hearing culture. Therefore, they will develop a Deaf identity over time.

A Deaf child of Deaf parents is embracing those values, traditions, beliefs from the time they are born. Their whole way of life is determined by the belief systems of the Deaf parents. Therefore, those things are ingrained as accepted ways of life before the child can ever articulate that cultural designation. There in lies the difference.
 
Cheetah said:
I cannot wear my cowboy hat anymore... not since I got my CI... :pissed:
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:jaw: There you go. Nobody ever tells you the real-life downsides of CIs. Totally clashes with my daughter's crown now and then, too.

(can't believe there's no cowboy hat smilie)
 
DeafCaroline said:
Hmm.....my parents pretty much considered me a hearing person from all standpoints except for the physical condition of hearing loss. Doesn't make me one. Identity is a personal awareness that is created and evolved by the individual, it's not up to anyone else to tell them who they are.
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Bingo. And you were raised with the cultural values, belief systems, and traditions of the hearing. When that occurs, as in most deaf children of hearing parents, your ID as Deaf is a consciuous choice based on learning of a differenct cultural perspective and a decision to embrace what that culture represents.

The exception would perhaps be the deaf child of hearing parents who are CODA.
 
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CSign said:
The only attitude I have is in response to those that choose to jump on every, single thing I say. It gets really tiring. The sarcasm is really the best way to deal with it. Otherwise I'd just keep going around in circles with a few posters who seem to try and dominate every thread.
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Then quit talking and start listening. The Deaf dominate everything here, duh. It is a forum for the Deaf, of the Deaf, and by the Deaf.
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YOU dominate everything here, not the Deaf. Plus, i thought this site was supposed to be for all deaf people, not just Deaf.
 
faire_jour said:
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YOU dominate everything here, not the Deaf. Plus, i thought this site was supposed to be for all deaf people, not just Deaf.
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Your jealousy is showing.:laugh2:

I don't dominate anything. I particiapate on equal footing with the Deaf. I don't see them complaining. It is only the audists that have a bug up their ass about my posts and my participation. And that is because they cannot discount what I have to say by saying, "Oh, she's just deaf. She just isn't educated about these things".:lol:
 
jillio said:
Bingo. And you were raised with the cultural values, belief systems, and traditions of the hearing. When that occurs, as in most deaf children of hearing parents, your ID as Deaf is a consciuous choice based on learning of a differenct cultural perspective and a decision to embrace what that culture represents.

The exception would perhaps be the deaf child of hearing parents who are CODA.
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Just before going to Gallaudet University, my dad surprised me by expressing his fear that I would not be accessible to him (or our family) because I would become "like the deaf". It was a bit of a surreal moment as I always identified myself as HOH and not hearing like everyone else and he always identified me as hearing. I've always lived in the two worlds, I was just on a journey to join a third world. :shock:
 
Cheetah said:
Just before going to Gallaudet University, my dad surprised me by expressing his fear that I would not be accessible to him (or our family) because I would become "like the deaf". It was a bit of a surreal moment as I always identified myself as HOH and not hearing like everyone else and he always identified me as hearing. I've always lived in the two worlds, I was just on a journey to join a third world. :shock:
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I think many parents have that same fear. Unfortunately, some hold onto it so tightly that they refuse to allow their child any exposure to the Deaf at all.

Yes, it is a realization when experiences like that occur. I have to commend you, though. You seem to able to take those moments of awareness and use them to develop insight not just about yourself, but others, as well. I would enjoy nothing more than seeing a few follow your example.
 
faire_jour said:
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YOU dominate everything here, not the Deaf. Plus, i thought this site was supposed to be for all deaf people, not just Deaf.
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You're right. It's for the deaf and Deaf. Which one are you?

jillio is more than welcomed to speak up for the Deaf with a capital D and more than welcomed to not stay quiet in the face of some audist crap written here especially ones written by hearing parents who think they know better than the Deaf what's best for their deaf child. She's got my full support.
 
faire_jour said:
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YOU dominate everything here, not the Deaf. Plus, i thought this site was supposed to be for all deaf people, not just Deaf.
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but.... we share mutual opinions though...
 
Jiro said:
Grendel - I'm not sure if you've already responded to my previous post or I may have missed it.

Is your daughter doing BiBi program - ASL + English?
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I totally missed your post, scanned through the recipes too quickly, sorry Jiro.

Yes, Li started at TLC -- a bi-bi school -- about a month after we returned from China four+ years ago (4X week in their ASL daycare + 3X week early ed PIP program), and moved into the preK program 2 years ago.
 
jillio said:
Your jealousy is showing.:laugh2:

I don't dominate anything. I particiapate on equal footing with the Deaf. I don't see them complaining. It is only the audists that have a bug up their ass about my posts and my participation. And that is because they cannot discount what I have to say by saying, "Oh, she's just deaf. She just isn't educated about these things".:lol:
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Wow. In the time I've been reading this forum (over a year at this point), not once have I ever seen anyone make that remark. I've seen people twist words into something they were never intended but that is different. I don't think anyone who takes the time to participate in this forum think the d/Deaf are uneducated.
 
CSign said:
Wow. In the time I've been reading this forum (over a year at this point), not once have I ever seen anyone make that remark. I've seen people twist words into something they were never intended but that is different. I don't think anyone who takes the time to participate in this forum think the d/Deaf are uneducated.
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You're joking, right? I've only started hanging out here since Easter and I've seen countless posts on how uneducated and delayed deaf people are.
 
Jiro said:
but.... we share mutual opinions though...
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There is a good deal of diversity in the opinions expressed by the Deaf on this forum. As I'd hope there would be in any community. It doesn't always stand out that way though amidst the shear volume of posts by some of our posters who have been designated to speak for others.
 
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