CI--Deaf or Hearing?

[jillio]

What possible business is it of yours what language she uses with her son? Do you want everyone to tell you everything you're doing wrong in your personal life, based on their own opinions on what is the one and only "right" thing to do?

Sheesh. How about some respect for the value of diversity, and some respect for people making their own choices.

Do you really want to go there?

It is everyone's business here because she is making some claims that are misleading and contradictory to what is actually the truth of the situation. One's choice of sign system is correlated with one's basic perpsective regarding deafness.

 

[jillio]

Why do you continually say stuff like this? You pick this big fight with her, and then accuse HER of "craving attention?"

Do you have any mirrors in your house? Time to use one...

I continually say stuff like this because it continually occurs around here.

I have all the attention I need, and some days, far too much, thank you.

 

[jillio]

Interesting, and good, way to put it.

Can't think of the number of times some of our school/ASL/speech, etc. experiences -- such as Shel's, DD, PFH, myself, etc. were totally shot down. These are experiences that we shared about our deaf lives only to be told something else, such as, "oh, but that's just not how it's done," and so on. Gone on for too many years in this forum like that. I know some of the hearing parents so hate it (they've said so!) when we say that they have to have lived it to understand it. But, oh how so true that is. And we get argued against instead. Nice.

And I can certainly relate to your experience and that of those you mentioned. Although our hearing status differs, I seem to inspire the same response in hearing parents. Only they at least attempt to politely correct you guys,lol, so as not to appear to be as audist as they truly are!

 

[AlleyCat]

And I can certainly relate to your experience and that of those you mentioned. Although our hearing status differs, I seem to inspire the same response in hearing parents. Only they at least attempt to politely correct you guys,lol, so as not to appear to be as audist as they truly are!

I don't know about the "politely correct you guys". I still remember the whole controversy over the terminology regarding speaking - whether it's referred to as speech skills, oral skills, speechreading, whatnot. And when I hold dear to terminology that I've used for 40 years, and that my peers use because it is what we grew up with and are comfortable with, I don't think I consider it polite when I'm told by a hearing parent here that "they object to that!"

 

[deafskeptic]

There is still a huge difference in things that truly matter to the Deaf community and what matters to those that have a hearing, or a hearing think, perpsective. Untill the hearing and the hearing think are able to recognize those differences and give them as much validity as their own perspective--and more when it comes to things that affect the D/deaf--you will see this kind of childish accusations of being picked on and being attacked coming from the hearing faction. We don't all have to agree. That is humanly impossible. However, when you are in a forum devoted to the D/deaf then you have crossed into a culture that is quite different from the majority. You need to abide by those culturals designations of what is acceptable and what is not. If you can't do that, you have no business attempting to cross cultural lines because you are too narrow minded to see past your own nose.

(And "you" is being used in a generalized sense, not a specific sense.)

Here's the tl;dr verison: do as the Romans do.

 

[DeafCaroline]

I don't know about the "politely correct you guys". I still remember the whole controversy over the terminology regarding speaking - whether it's referred to as speech skills, oral skills, speechreading, whatnot. And when I hold dear to terminology that I've used for 40 years, and that my peers use because it is what we grew up with and are comfortable with, I don't think I consider it polite when I'm told by a hearing parent here that "they object to that!"

Totally get you on that.

 

[jillio]

I don't know about the "politely correct you guys". I still remember the whole controversy over the terminology regarding speaking - whether it's referred to as speech skills, oral skills, speechreading, whatnot. And when I hold dear to terminology that I've used for 40 years, and that my peers use because it is what we grew up with and are comfortable with, I don't think I consider it polite when I'm told by a hearing parent here that "they object to that!"

Oh, yeah. I remember that one! Well, generally speaking, the audists and the oralists are not well skilled in politeness.

 

[deafskeptic]

Oh, yeah. I remember that one! Well, generally speaking, the audists and the oralists are not well skilled in politeness.

That's an understatement!

 

[Bottesini]

Oh, yeah. I remember that one! Well, generally speaking, the audists and the oralists are not well skilled in politeness.

Oh, now fair is fair. People who see me the first time all say the Deaf are evil.

 

[jillio]

Here's the tl;dr verison: do as the Romans do.

Exactly! You simply do not cross cultural lines and then demand that everything is done according to your perspective.

You know, I seem to see more of that coming from people from the States. Maybe it is because of the long and dirty history of ethnocentrism and forced assimilation that the States is guilty of. The citizens are beginning to believe, maybe even subconsciously, that it is their duty to behave in the same way.

 

[jillio]

Oh, now fair is fair. People who see me the first time all say the Deaf are evil.

I hope you continue to scare the beejeesuz out of them. Great way to get their undivided attention! Then you can go on and make your point.

 

[Jiro]

What possible business is it of yours what language she uses with her son? Do you want everyone to tell you everything you're doing wrong in your personal life, based on their own opinions on what is the one and only "right" thing to do?

Sheesh. How about some respect for the value of diversity, and some respect for people making their own choices.

Why do you continually say stuff like this? You pick this big fight with her, and then accuse HER of "craving attention?"

Do you have any mirrors in your house? Time to use one...

I'm sorry but I'm deaf. Did somebody sound the bugle that causes you to rally up? Do you have anything pertinent to contribute to this thread rather than playing a victim card? If you want to help CSign - then tell her to not get involved in anything that she doesn't want to take a lot of flak for.

Let me ask you this - what would you do if you see a person making his/her own choice and you know it's misguided? Sit there and do nothing cuz you're all about "respect for people making their own choices" however wrong or misguided they are?

now... I believe my set of questions is perfectly valid and benevolent in nature. It's to make it clear for everybody so that nobody is confusing anybody. Is there anything wrong with it?

 

[sallylou]

PFH, I'm contentious for challenging Csign to perform a sociology experiment to be deaf for a week.

At our local Deaf center, we have an event for ASL students in which talking is not allowed. If you talk, a Deaf person takes you to "jail." There are written tasks to challenge the students by simulating every day experiences. Great practice!

You may be familiar with the baby simulation lesson for teens. When I taught high school, the kids would put them in their lockers. Definintely not ready! lol

 

[Bottesini]

I don't think plugging their ears for a week will make them understand. They have all the years of hearing experience, and know how it works.

They will go through the week, then think "that was easy, what are they complaining about."

I am here forever, and I can see it is far different and easier for them.

 

[sallylou]

I don't think that they have a clue what it's like. Most people don't understand the concept of deafness. That's why people shout at us. They don't understand that volume is not the issue.

If someone gave it a good faith effort and didn't cheat, I think that they'd learn something. If it's a half-hearted attempt (like the baby in the locker), it's not going to be very meaningful.

 

[KristinaB]

Jillio, have you ever done that for yourself? Used sound-muting earplugs for a couple weeks to see what it was like?

My husband has and actually broke down in tears to know that that is how life is for me. He was lost and couldn't do anything more than say, "ILY, sorry, start my coffee please, and thank you". He felt so inadequate. It only took him 1 day. He is unable to do it while at work, but mentioned it to a lot of co-workers who now have a better appreciation for what I go through.

 

[sallylou]

Your husband is a gem! Lucky you.

And not cheating would include the crappy homemade caption reader, too.

 

[shel90]

You and some others perceive it as a negative, while others perceive it as a positive. Therefore, no consensus.

Didnt you read what Liza said about that term? It is negative. What is so positive about it?

Deaf advocate is more appropriate.

 

[shel90]

What possible business is it of yours what language she uses with her son? Do you want everyone to tell you everything you're doing wrong in your personal life, based on their own opinions on what is the one and only "right" thing to do?

Sheesh. How about some respect for the value of diversity, and some respect for people making their own choices.

SEE is not a language. Hearing people took a beautiful language (ASL) and f***cked it up to meet their agenda. It would be like Deaf people taking English and f**cking it up to meet their agenda.

Come on..SEE is cumbersome and hard on deaf children's language development.

 

[shel90]

Interesting, and good, way to put it.

Can't think of the number of times some of our school/ASL/speech, etc. experiences -- such as Shel's, DD, PFH, myself, etc. were totally shot down. These are experiences that we shared about our deaf lives only to be told something else, such as, "oh, but that's just not how it's done," and so on. Gone on for too many years in this forum like that. I know some of the hearing parents so hate it (they've said so!) when we say that they have to have lived it to understand it. But, oh how so true that is. And we get argued against instead. Nice.

Or " My deaf child will not be like any of you" I hate that so much.