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CyberRed said:
Ok, I just looked up the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary to avoid misunderstandin'.
Read what it says at : http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/effeminate

effeminate

Main Entry: 1ef·fem·i·nate
Pronunciation: -n&t
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin effeminatus, from past participle of effeminare to make effeminate, from ex- + femina woman -- more at FEMININE
1 : having feminine qualities untypical of a man : not manly in appearance or manner
2 : marked by an unbecoming delicacy or overrefinement <effeminate art> <an effeminate civilization>

No offend...First of all, I am sooo :applause: and proud of you for standing the truth..

However, I was looking up the dictionary you gave us this link...I didnt see the word homosexual there...maybe I misread it or something...but I will certainly try my best to find the bible dictionary or something...I will ask my dad how to find it since he is a preacher...:lol:
 
coloravalanche said:
Fornication means sex before marriage...

Just remember that there was no homosexual marriage found anywhere in the Holy Bible.
 
Heath said:
Just remember that there was no homosexual marriage found anywhere in the Holy Bible.

Heath, Fornication doesnt mean homosexual...it means sex before marriage...and
effeminate means homosexual...the bible says nor fornication, nor effeminate (homosexual)...get it?

Yes, I know that homosexual marriage is not found anywhere in the Bible....what makes you think I say that? I didnt say that...
 
You can find it both. I have both Bible Dictionary or Concordance of the Bible. :thumb:
 
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coloravalanche said:
No offend...First of all, I am sooo :applause: and proud of you for standing the truth..

However, I was looking up the dictionary you gave us this link...I didnt see the word homosexual there...maybe I misread it or something...but I will certainly try my best to find the bible dictionary or something...I will ask my dad how to find it since he is a preacher...:lol:

It's cool to know that your father is a preacher. :) Ok, let me explain a little bit more. I have the bible with me here and it is open. I want to type what it explains about homosexuality. Ok ? Maybe, it helps for some of ADers here. :dunno: That depends on their perspective and how they see it in their point of view. Keep that in mind, each person is different.

Ok, here is what it says :

Homosexuality

Sexual preference for and sexual behavior between members of the same sex, considered to be an immortal lifestyle and behavior pattern throughout the biblical revelation. The Bible makes no distinction between what some today refer to as " homosexual orientation " and homosexual behavior. Homosexual desires or feelings are never mentioned as such in Scriptures, but homosexual behavior is strongly condemned as a deviation from God's will for human beings ( See Lev. 18:22 ) even punishable by death ( 20:13 ). Therefore, it stands to reason that any homosexual inclination, feeling, or desire must be seriously dealt with as a potentially dangerous temptation much like those temptations of a hetersexual nature such as the desire to commit fornication or adultery.
Genesis 19:1-11 tells the story of an attempted homosexual gang rape at the house of Lot by the wicked men of Sodom. Lot considered this behavior wicked ( v. 7 ); raping his daughters was considered the lesser of two evils ( v. 8 ). This evil of Sodom is mentioned elsewhere ( Jer. 23:14; Ezek. 16:49-50; 2 Pet.2:6-10; Jude 1:7 ) in the strongest terms of condemnation. The term sodomy has its roots here. A similiar story is found in Judg. 19:22-30.
Male homosexuality was forbidden by Mosiac Law ( Lev. 18:22; 20:13 ).
The early church also considered homosexuality contrary to " sound doctrine " ( 1 Tim. 1:10 ), a sign of God's wrath upon blind sinfulness ( Rom. 1:26-27 ). Some of the Corinthian Christians apparently had been homosexuals ( 1 Cor. 6:9-11 ). Through faith in Christ they had been " washed," " sanctified," and " justified " (v. 11 ). Paul implied here that homosexual behavior is forgivable through the gospel and that any homosexual temptations should be resisted as seriously as those toward fornication or adultery.
The Bible links homosexuality to the sinful nature of humanity -- a psychosocial, learned behavior, expressing rebellion against God and calling for redemption. Homosexuals are responsible for their behavior. This is a very complex psychological problem with many possible roots or causes, calling for Christian compassion on the part of God's people as well as God's redemptive power through the gospel. The ministry of the church to homosexuals should include conversion, counseling, education, and support-group relationships.
 
CyberRed said:
It's cool to know that your father is a preacher. :) Ok, let me explain a little bit more. I have the bible with me here and it is open. I want to type what it explains about homosexuality. Ok ? Maybe, it helps for some of ADers here. :dunno: That depends on their perspective and how they see it in their point of view. Keep that in mind, each person is different.

Ok, here is what it says :

Homosexuality

Sexual preference for and sexual behavior between members of the same sex, considered to be an immortal lifestyle and behavior pattern throughout the biblical revelation. The Bible makes no distinction between what some today refer to as " homosexual orientation " and homosexual behavior. Homosexual desires or feelings are never mentioned as such in Scriptures, but homosexual behavior is strongly condemned as a deviation from God's will for human beings ( See Lev. 18:22 ) even punishable by death ( 20:13 ). Therefore, it stands to reason that any homosexual inclination, feeling, or desire must be seriously dealt with as a potentially dangerous temptation much like those temptations of a hetersexual nature such as the desire to commit fornication or adultery.
Genesis 19:1-11 tells the story of an attempted homosexual gang rape at the house of Lot by the wicked men of Sodom. Lot considered this behavior wicked ( v. 7 ); raping his daughters was considered the lesser of two evils ( v. 8 ). This evil of Sodom is mentioned elsewhere ( Jer. 23:14; Ezek. 16:49-50; 2 Pet.2:6-10; Jude 1:7 ) in the strongest terms of condemnation. The term sodomy has its roots here. A similiar story is found in Judg. 19:22-30.
Male homosexuality was forbidden by Mosiac Law ( Lev. 18:22; 20:13 ).
The early church also considered homosexuality contrary to " sound doctrine " ( 1 Tim. 1:10 ), a sign of God's wrath upon blind sinfulness ( Rom. 1:26-27 ). Some of the Corinthian Christians apparently had been homosexuals ( 1 Cor. 6:9-11 ). Through faith in Christ they had been " washed," " sanctified," and " justified " (v. 11 ). Paul implied here that homosexual behavior is forgivable through the gospel and that any homosexual temptations should be resisted as seriously as those toward fornication or adultery.
The Bible links homosexuality to the sinful nature of humanity -- a psychosocial, learned behavior, expressing rebellion against God and calling for redemption. Homosexuals are responsible for their behavior. This is a very complex psychological problem with many possible roots or causes, calling for Christian compassion on the part of God's people as well as God's redemptive power through the gospel. The ministry of the church to homosexuals should include conversion, counseling, education, and support-group relationships.

:gpost: And that is where support groups come in at:

http://www.exodus-international.org

This is a Christian organization for and by homosexuals to get help for themselves.

Here is a brief description of who and what they are about on their website:

Welcome. Exodus is the largest Christian referral and information ministry dealing with homosexual issues in our world today. In order to keep you informed of the worldwide ministries, we offer monthly newsletters, annual conferences, speaking engagements and, of course, web services. Exodus is your global resource that offers freedom through the love of Jesus Christ.

Exodus is a worldwide interdenominational, Christian organization called to encourage, strengthen, unify and equip Christians to minister the transforming power of the Lord Jesus Christ to those affected by homosexuality.


I refer people there all the time. God Bless ..... :angel:
 
coloravalanche said:
Effeminate does mean homosexual...I encourage you to look up the new king james version...compare with KJV...KJV is older version - hard for us to understand...but with NEW KJV is easier...I encourage you to compare with these two Bibles..you will see effeminate in KJV older version and homosexual in KJV newer version...it has the same definition...

There is nothing wrong with being tomboy...I have tomboy little in me...of course there is nothing wrong for a guy to be sissy as long as he is not gay..but it is against the Bible if we try to become a man instead of woman or become a woman instead of man with surgeries...God isnt please with that...He created us for who we are...but his purposees is for us to be ourselves and for man and woman to conceive children as familly ONLY...but not for homosexually or else...


who would want a sissy man or tomboy woman? Many women have needs that many sissy men won't touch them or many men have needs that many tomboy does not like to touch them. Marriage is all about being with each other and touch each other. If one feel not able touch other because of what inside of this person then it is no good for couple. How does God did purpose for this when God put cursed on us all from beginning so how can Christians have right to say this about those people. Why try to change them when they can't. They can not help it for being who they are. Unless God can heal them miracle alike heal us deafies but He did not.

My fear for them is how Christian control them and punish them just aliek muslims did to them by killing them and cleanse population. I don't call God love on this whole thing.

I see them as human beings and they should have same right as straight people, they should not be control by u or me but should have a free right to have a relationship they choose. Whatever happen to gift God to give us, a free will.

I unds my sister who is gay more than u unds my sister and why she is this way. Her partner is gay and she was married and already had a child but she can not give her ex husband the need any husband ask for from woman: u know all kind of needs we require for a relationship. she is not femine and man demand women to be so feminine u know like dress real nice, wear nice make up, wear sexy to tease him, have sex all the time, and many more. She wear blue jean with t-shirt, she can not help it. Why would any one force to make her to be woman that she is having hard time to please everyone.
As for me I do not want sissy man who like to wear pink shirt and wear make up or polish their nails. I have met them thru drama festival and they shocked me. Now I unds them better, they are artist people so they act alike feminine. Many women perfer masculine men. Why should any Christians try to tell us it is wrong for them to be this way without see inside of them and why.

I would do anything to fight for them because it is what Jesus Christ taught us. Love is one key to free us from our sins, but I do not see any Christian practice on this one. Instead they chose hate.
 
Heath said:
:gpost: And that is where support groups come in at:

http://www.exodus-international.org

This is a Christian organization for and by homosexuals to get help for themselves.

Here is a brief description of who and what they are about on their website:

Welcome. Exodus is the largest Christian referral and information ministry dealing with homosexual issues in our world today. In order to keep you informed of the worldwide ministries, we offer monthly newsletters, annual conferences, speaking engagements and, of course, web services. Exodus is your global resource that offers freedom through the love of Jesus Christ.

Exodus is a worldwide interdenominational, Christian organization called to encourage, strengthen, unify and equip Christians to minister the transforming power of the Lord Jesus Christ to those affected by homosexuality.


I refer people there all the time. God Bless ..... :angel:

You don't understand about world, with any religion. I will going explain in My Closet forum.
 
jazzy said:
who would want a sissy man or tomboy woman? Many women have needs that many sissy men won't touch them or many men have needs that many tomboy does not like to touch them. Marriage is all about being with each other and touch each other. If one feel not able touch other because of what inside of this person then it is no good for couple. How does God did purpose for this when God put cursed on us all from beginning so how can Christians have right to say this about those people. Why try to change them when they can't. They can not help it for being who they are. Unless God can heal them miracle alike heal us deafies but He did not.

My fear for them is how Christian control them and punish them just aliek muslims did to them by killing them and cleanse population. I don't call God love on this whole thing.

I see them as human beings and they should have same right as straight people, they should not be control by u or me but should have a free right to have a relationship they choose. Whatever happen to gift God to give us, a free will.

I unds my sister who is gay more than u unds my sister and why she is this way. Her partner is gay and she was married and already had a child but she can not give her ex husband the need any husband ask for from woman: u know all kind of needs we require for a relationship. she is not femine and man demand women to be so feminine u know like dress real nice, wear nice make up, wear sexy to tease him, have sex all the time, and many more. She wear blue jean with t-shirt, she can not help it. Why would any one force to make her to be woman that she is having hard time to please everyone.
As for me I do not want sissy man who like to wear pink shirt and wear make up or polish their nails. I have met them thru drama festival and they shocked me. Now I unds them better, they are artist people so they act alike feminine. Many women perfer masculine men. Why should any Christians try to tell us it is wrong for them to be this way without see inside of them and why.

I would do anything to fight for them because it is what Jesus Christ taught us. Love is one key to free us from our sins, but I do not see any Christian practice on this one. Instead they chose hate.
Its true in many ways. Extremist christians does not do according what Christ has taught. Yes, God sees the heart of each person. True, we suppose to show love toward them. Some does pressure them and some doesn't. Only thing is personal response by knowing , we are sinners and knowing that homosexual is a sin, yes, Jesus died for them also. We still live in the flesh with temptations, afflictions and etc. I met some were ex homosexuals and still feel temptations and stuff like everyone else. They knows its wrong to have same sex, or sex outside of opposite sex marriage and etc. Healing not always instant. The mind is full of darkness. Always a battle. God never give up, only God can give up is those who are very deep dishonoe God and have nothing to do with Christ. God is patience and sees the hurt of each one and Jesus understands, bec He has been there. Very true its hard to give up, but always ask God for guidance and He does not intend to hurt each other, but leading in different ways that God can do. Each of us must change of our ways of thinking, act, talk and etc. Its a discipline part, and God pruning those who are in Christ. It is not true, by some Christian by saying christian will not have problem with homosexuals, it is not true. Bec God use them and enable them to become more like what God called them to do, He is leading as long a person depned and spend time with God, and you see, many share differently in the Bible of all kinds, its a long road, there are peace when we give all to Him, and yes, He gave us free will, which is receive Him and agree what He says or reject Him and do your own way. God isn't force, so we don't either. Our job is share the love of Christ toward others and minister other and forgiving also and care, but not conform or condone the behavior.
 
Jesus and bunch of boys at the 'last supper' table all were effeminated!
Long girly like hair down to the shoulders. :dunno: I don't believe any craps from the bibles.. How many different kind of bibles are out there? Each religion says their bibles are real/ original / unrevised, etc.
 
The Bible links homosexuality to the sinful nature of humanity -- a psychosocial, learned behavior, expressing rebellion against God and calling for redemption. Homosexuals are responsible for their behavior. This is a very complex psychological problem with many possible roots or causes, calling for Christian compassion on the part of God's people as well as God's redemptive power through the gospel. The ministry of the church to homosexuals should include conversion, counseling, education, and support-group relationships.
Sigh....... I do know that some Biblical scholars think that the homosexual behavoir condemned in the Bible wasn't about loving caring homosexual relationships, but more about condemning promesticuty or people who have sex, not nessarily in the context of a relationship, but rather as something kInKy or so TrEndY....like sex addicts or people who are into KiNkY sex, for the sake of the kInKiNeSs!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and Heath, I think almost everyone knows about the ex gay ministires.....but didja know that the founders of Exodus (who were gay men) fell in love and became ex-exgays?
 
EyesBlueDeaf said:
Jesus and bunch of boys at the 'last supper' table all were effeminated!
Long girly like hair down to the shoulders. :dunno: I don't believe any craps from the bibles.. How many different kind of bibles are out there? Each religion says their bibles are real/ original / unrevised, etc.

That picture of the Last Supper is a catholic traditional picture. If it was done the Hebrew / Protestant way then you would see short hair with Hebrew circular bangs on the sides of the men's face. The tattoo I have on my arm has Jesus Christ in short hair and no Hebrew circular bangs.
 
EyesBlueDeaf said:
Jesus and bunch of boys at the 'last supper' table all were effeminated!
Long girly like hair down to the shoulders. :dunno: I don't believe any craps from the bibles.. How many different kind of bibles are out there? Each religion says their bibles are real/ original / unrevised, etc.
If you are referring to Da Vinci's "The Last Supper" painting, it was painted more than 1,450 years after the event happened. It is just an artists's imagination of the scene. It is not an accurate depiction of the people. No one knows how Jesus or His apostles looked.
 
I notice that more and more christians are rise up against homosexual people instead of black issues.. they harshly judge on gays of people that not make sense to me. I am not well with homosexual people, but I respect them for who they are.. DON'T TEACH ME HOW TO BE LOVE GAYS NOR TELL ME WHY NOT TRY TO HAVE SEX WITH GAYS AROUND AND DONT EVEN BE AROUND MY KIDS SOMETHING WHAT YOU HAVE EVEN THINKING ABOUT.

Let me assume that their time will turn back to old time of moses' law during people throw stone at gays, whore and molest to death in future coming soon... because christian people tired and fear of lawless people growing and growing suprass them.
 
Another reason why I reject Pauline letters - Paul was a simplton who failed to see how diverse people can be.
 
There were diverse ever since after Adam and Eve when populations grown. Jesus understand all mankind, bec he has been there and took all of our sinfulness upon Himself. Exodus was founded by ex-gays. Its not by against people, and yes, some extremist gone over the line which is not of God. Important part is there are boundaries that God given us for protection. And should be appreciative.
 
Heath said:
:gpost: And that is where support groups come in at:

http://www.exodus-international.org

...

I refer people there all the time. God Bless ..... :angel:

You do realise that the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association and the American Medical Association all agree that attempting to "convert" someone who is gay to being straight never actually works and that it is usually harmful to the individual's self-esteem and feelings of self-worth, yes?

You realise that the former president of Exodus was forced to resign because he was found flirting with boys in a gay bar in Washington, DC, right?

This "therapy" you're suggesting doesn't work, it has never worked, and it never will work because homosexuality is biological, not psychological.

It's essentially the same as trying to make a white man a black man by telling him what he's supposed to be. Sorry, but it doesn't happen. You can get him to believe a lie by breaking him and then brainwashing him, creating false memories for him, but that doesn't make the lie true... All it does is destroy his life and give you a free one-way ticket to hell.

(And no, I don't believe there is a hell, but it's a convenient metaphor.)
 
Teresh said:
You do realise that the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association and the American Medical Association all agree that attempting to "convert" someone who is gay to being straight never actually works and that it is usually harmful to the individual's self-esteem and feelings of self-worth, yes?

You realise that the former president of Exodus was forced to resign because he was found flirting with boys in a gay bar in Washington, DC, right?

This "therapy" you're suggesting doesn't work, it has never worked, and it never will work because homosexuality is biological, not psychological.

It's essentially the same as trying to make a white man a black man by telling him what he's supposed to be. Sorry, but it doesn't happen. You can get him to believe a lie by breaking him and then brainwashing him, creating false memories for him, but that doesn't make the lie true... All it does is destroy his life and give you a free one-way ticket to hell.

(And no, I don't believe there is a hell, but it's a convenient metaphor.)

I don't know anything about that situation but then again it is the same idea as someone who fell off the wagon in Alocohol Anyomonous. A big part of the A.A. program from what I understand is that you have to work the program in order for it to work so in another words that a homosexual has to work the 12 steps himself or herself in order for it to work and I have seen some ex-homosexuals be successful and are the real deal while another homosexuals play and fool around then they are not serious about obeying God and wanting to improve their lives for the better. The only person that makes it really successful is themselves, yes there is a support system just like in A.A. but that person has to be serious in order for it to work. I will continue to refer both Deaf and hearing homosexuals to that organization. You do realize that the A.P.A. and the A.M.A. have been taken over by the liberal establishment and you have to question why? As for the former president of Exodus to be hanging out in gay bars in Washington DC. He slipped up just like an alocholic falling off the wagon. Remember he is only human and he made mistakes like all of us do and the best we can do is to obey God and warn anothers when something is not right and help them with Biblical Scriptures and a vast listing of Christian organization for the problem they may be having in their life then it is up to them to be serious about changing their lives for the better. I have seen ex-homosexuals who work hard and are the real deal and have accepted Jesus Christ as their Personal Saviour.
 
Heath said:
I don't know anything about that situation but then again it is the same idea as someone who fell off the wagon in Alocohol Anyomonous. A big part of the A.A. program from what I understand is that you have to work the program in order for it to work so in another words that a homosexual has to work the 12 steps himself or herself in order for it to work and I have seen some ex-homosexuals be successful and are the real deal while another homosexuals play and fool around then they are not serious about obeying God and wanting to improve their lives for the better. The only person that makes it really successful is themselves, yes there is a support system just like in A.A. but that person has to be serious in order for it to work. I will continue to refer both Deaf and hearing homosexuals to that organization. You do realize that the A.P.A. and the A.M.A. have been taken over by the liberal establishment and you have to question why? As for the former president of Exodus to be hanging out in gay bars in Washington DC. He slipped up just like an alocholic falling off the wagon. Remember he is only human and he made mistakes like all of us do and the best we can do is to obey God and warn anothers when something is not right and help them with Biblical Scriptures and a vast listing of Christian organization for the problem they may be having in their life then it is up to them to be serious about changing their lives for the better. I have seen ex-homosexuals who work hard and are the real deal and have accepted Jesus Christ as their Personal Saviour.

Heath,honestly u believe alcoholics can be cured? That is lie. It is disease, u can not be cure from this diseasse. They will always be alcoholic so are gay even they are ex-homosexuals. Being liberal has nothing to with it except being open minded and being empathy to them.
 
Teresh said:
You do realise that the American Psychiatric Association, the American Psychological Association and the American Medical Association all agree that attempting to "convert" someone who is gay to being straight never actually works and that it is usually harmful to the individual's self-esteem and feelings of self-worth, yes?

You realise that the former president of Exodus was forced to resign because he was found flirting with boys in a gay bar in Washington, DC, right?

This "therapy" you're suggesting doesn't work, it has never worked, and it never will work because homosexuality is biological, not psychological.

It's essentially the same as trying to make a white man a black man by telling him what he's supposed to be. Sorry, but it doesn't happen. You can get him to believe a lie by breaking him and then brainwashing him, creating false memories for him, but that doesn't make the lie true... All it does is destroy his life and give you a free one-way ticket to hell.

(And no, I don't believe there is a hell, but it's a convenient metaphor.)
That's human theories. Its human nature. Homosexual is not relate race as black, white or etc. Homosexual is a choice, not been made that way. We are living in human flesh. And again, it is not by going after them and condemn their behaviors like extremist are doing, as many times I ve been saying bec that's not what Christ called us to do and also hell is not metaphoric bec Jesus described what its like, its a place for satan and demons, and God doesn't want anyone go there, but people made the choice. All of us have weakenesses different kinds. Homosexual is dependable how each were growing up in many ways, some bec rape, some when bec no father and there's so much others what they have gone thru. Its a matter of choices. Thousands of people going thru homosexual lifestyle has changed and one guy who is well known christian singer and songwriteralso, was pure homosexual and has changed and has a wife with many children and have beautiful relationship. Just like many doctors told many women is best to abort the baby bec risky, 95 percent of women made it thru and doctor were wrong. Blaming christians and thinking all christians are like that, its not so at all.
 
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