Christians Sue for Right Not to Tolerate Gay Policies

[Teresh]

A big part of the A.A. program from what I understand is that you have to work the program in order for it to work so in another words that a homosexual has to work the 12 steps himself or herself in order for it to work and I have seen some ex-homosexuals be successful and are the real deal while another homosexuals play and fool around then they are not serious about obeying God and wanting to improve their lives for the better.

There is no such thing as an "ex-gay" or "ex-homosexual", you're just deluding yourself. One cannot agree to work with the system when the system does not work as you're trying to change the way a person, biologically, *is*. It's exactly the same as trying to change a person's race by counseling them to think they're a different one. It's absurd.

The only person that makes it really successful is themselves, yes there is a support system just like in A.A. but that person has to be serious in order for it to work. I will continue to refer both Deaf and hearing homosexuals to that organization.

That's your choice. If there is an afterlife, and there are consequences for evil, you will reap what you sow. Just imagine, maybe in your next life you will be gay, forced into the closet because your parents are conservative Christians and you will eventually be come out and sent to an "ex-gay" camp and end up hating yourself and committing suicide.

That'd be ironic, no?

You do realize that the A.P.A. and the A.M.A. have been taken over by the liberal establishment and you have to question why?

A doctor is a doctor. Political opinions have nothing to do with that. To be a doctor or a psychologist means to have studied for many years and ultimately being certified to practice. So-called "ex-gay" therapists are often not professionals and they do not have the training or qualifications to do the work that they do. If you were sad, would you let someone in your head, messing with your ideas, your emotions, if they didn't know what they were doing? Worse yet, would you let the average car mechanic perform heart surgery on you if you if he didn't have an M.D.?

As for the APA, AMA, etc. even being politically biased, that isn't the case either. You're just making up whatever is convenient to suit your argument.

As for the former president of Exodus to be hanging out in gay bars in Washington DC. He slipped up just like an alocholic falling off the wagon. Remember he is only human and he made mistakes like all of us do and the best we can do is to obey God and warn anothers when something is not right and help them with Biblical Scriptures and a vast listing of Christian organization for the problem they may be having in their life then it is up to them to be serious about changing their lives for the better.

As far as I can tell, he's not an "ex-homosexual", he's still gay, as evidenced by his actions.

I have seen ex-homosexuals who work hard and are the real deal and have accepted Jesus Christ as their Personal Saviour.

That's nice. What else do the voices tell you, Heath?

Homosexual is a choice, not been made that way.

Funny how ALL of the experts in the field disagree with you on this. Are you saying you have more medical knowledge and experience than every single one of the best doctors in the WORLD? Are you that naive? Has God inflated your ego that much to think that you know more than the EXPERTS, people who have spent their entire lives learning and researching? How much medical research have you performed? How many clinical trials have you conducted? How many letters do you have after your name?

 

[Heath]

Teresh, from the way you have responded shows me that you are clearly immature. I know what I have seen and these things do work if you really work the program. That is all I have to say on this issue.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

There is no such thing as an "ex-gay" or "ex-homosexual", you're just deluding yourself. One cannot agree to work with the system when the system does not work as you're trying to change the way a person, biologically, *is*. It's exactly the same as trying to change a person's race by counseling them to think they're a different one. It's absurd.



That's your choice. If there is an afterlife, and there are consequences for evil, you will reap what you sow. Just imagine, maybe in your next life you will be gay, forced into the closet because your parents are conservative Christians and you will eventually be come out and sent to an "ex-gay" camp and end up hating yourself and committing suicide.

That'd be ironic, no?



A doctor is a doctor. Political opinions have nothing to do with that. To be a doctor or a psychologist means to have studied for many years and ultimately being certified to practice. So-called "ex-gay" therapists are often not professionals and they do not have the training or qualifications to do the work that they do. If you were sad, would you let someone in your head, messing with your ideas, your emotions, if they didn't know what they were doing? Worse yet, would you let the average car mechanic perform heart surgery on you if you if he didn't have an M.D.?

As for the APA, AMA, etc. even being politically biased, that isn't the case either. You're just making up whatever is convenient to suit your argument.



As far as I can tell, he's not an "ex-homosexual", he's still gay, as evidenced by his actions.



That's nice. What else do the voices tell you, Heath?




Funny how ALL of the experts in the field disagree with you on this. Are you saying you have more medical knowledge and experience than every single one of the best doctors in the WORLD? Are you that naive? Has God inflated your ego that much to think that you know more than the EXPERTS, people who have spent their entire lives learning and researching? How much medical research have you performed? How many clinical trials have you conducted? How many letters do you have after your name?

You didn't take my whole context. That's why people like that denying and accusing personal experience and still label them as gay, when they testified what God has done to them and you condemn them and using your opinion on the person's own life like one who failed and put that person who fail label on the person who succeed and using them as false. That's what's the probelm with people, blaming on christians and thinking when one person does mean all does the same, which I totally disagree. I believe each person has the differences and what one person experience or does not mean all others the same. The only changes is a person surrender their lives to God and rely oh Him thru valleys and mountains of life. When people who are hurting or struggling, Jesus is with them bec seeing person's longing and to those who couldn't see who Jesus is and hard for the person to change is those who has bad mouths and attitudes. Bec tongues is a deadly weapons. Humanist can believe whatever they wants to believe. My relationship with God is not based on what I do. Just like Jeremiah going thru, many people keeps telling lies and wants to hurt and kill him bec his love for God and even King David going thru same way. What I notice, what's hardest things to relate people is bad attitudes and tongues. And don't say all christians does that, no not all are like that. There are some christians are doing that too, and non christians the same. There are ex gays and I met them and they have wonderful families. Do they have no temptation? No, they still do, that's not mean they are still gay, its the battle of the flesh we are live in. Praise the Lord, when He comes to take me Home, I will no longer have this stinky flesh and will have new body, and that's goes for everyone who have Christ in them.

 

[EyesBlueDeaf]

(snip, snip..) Homosexual is a choice, not been made that way.(more snips..)

Gad, only ignorant people think that way.

By the way, you screenname indicates that you are either gay or lesbian ..
just in case you didn't know. copied and pasted from http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/boi

boi

1. a style of Amazonian folk music
2. (internet) alternate spelling of boy
3. in BDSM-type roleplay (e.g. father-son), a male bottom (i.e. submissive partner), defined not by junior age, but by his obedient role, especially when that implies him being subject to spanking and/or other punishment by the dominant 'top'; enters especially in the compound houseboi, in the role of (house) boy doing the household and generally at his master's beck and call
4. lesbian woman who doesn't feel she is transgendered but does wear really short hair, masculine or gender-neutral clothing and ignores her breasts. Bois tend to be younger and smaller than the traditional "butch" dykes.
5. boi - originating from South Staffordshire (UK)
*An informal greeting between friends
*A word used to warn scare or warn someone off

 

[EyesBlueDeaf]

"Research suggests that the homosexual orientation is in place very early in the life cycle, possibly even before birth. It is found in about ten percent of the population, a figure which is surprisingly constant across cultures, irrespective of the different moral values and standards of a particular culture." Statement on Homosexuality, American Psychological Association, 1994-JUL.

 

[Heath]

Gad, only ignorant people think that way.

By the way, you screenname indicates that you are either gay or lesbian ..
just in case you didn't know. copied and pasted from http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/boi

boi

1. a style of Amazonian folk music
2. (internet) alternate spelling of boy
3. in BDSM-type roleplay (e.g. father-son), a male bottom (i.e. submissive partner), defined not by junior age, but by his obedient role, especially when that implies him being subject to spanking and/or other punishment by the dominant 'top'; enters especially in the compound houseboi, in the role of (house) boy doing the household and generally at his master's beck and call
4. lesbian woman who doesn't feel she is transgendered but does wear really short hair, masculine or gender-neutral clothing and ignores her breasts. Bois tend to be younger and smaller than the traditional "butch" dykes.
5. boi - originating from South Staffordshire (UK)
*An informal greeting between friends
*A word used to warn scare or warn someone off

The word gay in my time used to mean a person was happy.

I would go with 1, 2 and number 5 including the two denoted asteriks **

Homosexuals always have to take something that is pure and holy then twist it around and F.Y.I. I do not believe homosexuals were born that way. Again, keep in mind that the AMA is speaking for the devil and not for God as it should rightfully be.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

Gad, only ignorant people think that way.

By the way, you screenname indicates that you are either gay or lesbian ..
just in case you didn't know. copied and pasted from http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/boi

boi

1. a style of Amazonian folk music
2. (internet) alternate spelling of boy
3. in BDSM-type roleplay (e.g. father-son), a male bottom (i.e. submissive partner), defined not by junior age, but by his obedient role, especially when that implies him being subject to spanking and/or other punishment by the dominant 'top'; enters especially in the compound houseboi, in the role of (house) boy doing the household and generally at his master's beck and call
4. lesbian woman who doesn't feel she is transgendered but does wear really short hair, masculine or gender-neutral clothing and ignores her breasts. Bois tend to be younger and smaller than the traditional "butch" dykes.
5. boi - originating from South Staffordshire (UK)
*An informal greeting between friends
*A word used to warn scare or warn someone off[/QUOTE you haven't read the expalnations afterward, and don't take out of context.

 

[EyesBlueDeaf]

Gad, only ignorant people think that way.

By the way, you screenname indicates that you are either gay or lesbian ..
just in case you didn't know. copied and pasted from http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/boi

boi

1. a style of Amazonian folk music
2. (internet) alternate spelling of boy
3. in BDSM-type roleplay (e.g. father-son), a male bottom (i.e. submissive partner), defined not by junior age, but by his obedient role, especially when that implies him being subject to spanking and/or other punishment by the dominant 'top'; enters especially in the compound houseboi, in the role of (house) boy doing the household and generally at his master's beck and call
4. lesbian woman who doesn't feel she is transgendered but does wear really short hair, masculine or gender-neutral clothing and ignores her breasts. Bois tend to be younger and smaller than the traditional "butch" dykes.
5. boi - originating from South Staffordshire (UK)
*An informal greeting between friends
*A word used to warn scare or warn someone off[/QUOTE you haven't read the expalnations afterward, and don't take out of context.

eh, come (no pun intended) again?! I copied exactly.. there is nothing else after '...warn someone off.."

 

[hottiedeafboi]

Yeah, I'm gay too, mean I'm happy!!! Lol gayly apparel fa la la la la la (deck the Hall)

 

[EyesBlueDeaf]

Yeah, I'm gay too, mean I'm happy!!! Lol gayly apparel fa la la la la la (deck the Hall)

I see that you have nothing better to say or no answer to your false accusation in my previous posting..
anyway.. back to the topic.. Once you are gay/lesbian will always be gay/ lesbian! do it once, will try again twice or more!

 

[Teresh]

Teresh, from the way you have responded shows me that you are clearly immature. I know what I have seen and these things do work if you really work the program. That is all I have to say on this issue.

I'm immature because I'm not an anti-semitic, homophobic, racist, sexist bigot who perverts his religion from being something generally positive into being something very evil?

Wow, you're even more disconnected with reality than I thought you were, Heath. You might want to go see one of those Christian therapists for counseling. It'll only make your psychological break with reality worse, but that seems to be just what you want. Tell me, what do the voices sound like?

That's why people like that denying and accusing personal experience and still label them as gay, when they testified what God has done to them and you condemn them and using your opinion on the person's own life like one who failed and put that person who fail label on the person who succeed and using them as false.

I don't condemn anyone. "Ex-gay" people are still gay, regardless of whether or not they're still comfortable thinking or talking about it. I don't condemn people for how they decide to live their lives. I just think it's silly that Christians seem to think it's OK to take these people who are naturally gay and then brainwash them into hating themselves because they are gay and then expect them to live happy productive lives (read: it's all a facade, 100% of all "ex-gays" return to being gay in a relatively short period of time).

That's what's the probelm with people, blaming on christians and thinking when one person does mean all does the same, which I totally disagree.

What can I say? Your religion has been morally bankrupt since you became the dominant religion and started oppressing anyone who disagreed with you. I blame the Christians of the past for their mistakes and the Christians of the present for theirs. If you oppose what some Christians are doing, stand up against them, otherwise it's the same as if you support them.

No, they still do, that's not mean they are still gay, its the battle of the flesh we are live in.

I'm sure you have the best idea of what it's like to be an "ex-gay". Where did you get your Psy.D. from, again?

 

[hottiedeafboi]

You didn't take my whole context. That's why people like that denying and accusing personal experience and still label them as gay, when they testified what God has done to them and you condemn them and using your opinion on the person's own life like one who failed and put that person who fail label on the person who succeed and using them as false. That's what's the probelm with people, blaming on christians and thinking when one person does mean all does the same, which I totally disagree. I believe each person has the differences and what one person experience or does not mean all others the same. The only changes is a person surrender their lives to God and rely oh Him thru valleys and mountains of life. When people who are hurting or struggling, Jesus is with them bec seeing person's longing and to those who couldn't see who Jesus is and hard for the person to change is those who has bad mouths and attitudes. Bec tongues is a deadly weapons. Humanist can believe whatever they wants to believe. My relationship with God is not based on what I do. Just like Jeremiah going thru, many people keeps telling lies and wants to hurt and kill him bec his love for God and even King David going thru same way. What I notice, what's hardest things to relate people is bad attitudes and tongues. And don't say all christians does that, no not all are like that. There are some christians are doing that too, and non christians the same. There are ex gays and I met them and they have wonderful families. Do they have no temptation? No, they still do, that's not mean they are still gay, its the battle of the flesh we are live in. Praise the Lord, when He comes to take me Home, I will no longer have this stinky flesh and will have new body, and that's goes for everyone who have Christ in them.

Read the whole context, eyeblue and that's my sn for long time and can't change that and not only that, I don't care who ro what you are does not make me cutting you down as you are to me.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

I'm immature because I'm not an anti-semitic, homophobic, racist, sexist bigot who perverts his religion from being something generally positive into being something very evil?

Wow, you're even more disconnected with reality than I thought you were, Heath. You might want to go see one of those Christian therapists for counseling. It'll only make your psychological break with reality worse, but that seems to be just what you want. Tell me, what do the voices sound like?



I don't condemn anyone. "Ex-gay" people are still gay, regardless of whether or not they're still comfortable thinking or talking about it. I don't condemn people for how they decide to live their lives. I just think it's silly that Christians seem to think it's OK to take these people who are naturally gay and then brainwash them into hating themselves because they are gay and then expect them to live happy productive lives (read: it's all a facade, 100% of all "ex-gays" return to being gay in a relatively short period of time).



What can I say? Your religion has been morally bankrupt since you became the dominant religion and started oppressing anyone who disagreed with you. I blame the Christians of the past for their mistakes and the Christians of the present for theirs. If you oppose what some Christians are doing, stand up against them, otherwise it's the same as if you support them.



I'm sure you have the best idea of what it's like to be an "ex-gay". Where did you get your Psy.D. from, again?

Brainwash huh? I think you have been, I m very cautious who teaching the word of God. Now, Jesus is my Physicians and PHD. I don't have Jesus as my religion, I have Him as my relationship.. Everything Jesus said and religious leader keep using their "phd" and thinking Jesus is looney. Like I told some, I will not cut you down like you are to me. Bec no clue why you findi8ng everyway how bad I am and negative ideas about me. You can label them as much you want, but I rather listen their personal testamony. Its not my authority to cut the person down like that. You can twist everything you want to say, which I have no clue why you keep doing that. I will not hold or have bitterness in me but nail it to the cross and let forgiven spirit flow thru me. Bec I have Jehovah -Rapha

 

[Deaf Images]

Good Lawd! More Homophobic Baloney!

Good Lawd! More homophobic baloney!

Tsk! Tsk!

No one can judge so it is the only man upstairs who will judge.

Not you! Not me! Not others!

Get a life!

 

[Teresh]

Brainwash huh? I think you have been, I m very cautious who teaching the word of God.

That statement doesn't even make any sense. I don't teach the Word of God, I merely interpret it.

Now, Jesus is my Physicians and PHD.

No offense, but I'll go to a real doctor if I ever need heart surgery.

I don't have Jesus as my religion, I have Him as my relationship.. Everything Jesus said and religious leader keep using their "phd" and thinking Jesus is looney.

I've never met a doctor or a psychologist who doesn't have a religion.

Like I told some, I will not cut you down like you are to me.

I'm not "cutting you down", I'm trying to get you to realise how silly what you're saying is.

Bec no clue why you findi8ng everyway how bad I am and negative ideas about me.

Who said I had negative ideas about you? I certainly didn't.

 

[EyesBlueDeaf]

You didn't take my whole context. That's why people like that denying and accusing personal experience and still label them as gay, when they testified what God has done to them and you condemn them and using your opinion on the person's own life like one who failed and put that person who fail label on the person who succeed and using them as false. That's what's the probelm with people, blaming on christians and thinking when one person does mean all does the same, which I totally disagree. I believe each person has the differences and what one person experience or does not mean all others the same. The only changes is a person surrender their lives to God and rely oh Him thru valleys and mountains of life. When people who are hurting or struggling, Jesus is with them bec seeing person's longing and to those who couldn't see who Jesus is and hard for the person to change is those who has bad mouths and attitudes. Bec tongues is a deadly weapons. Humanist can believe whatever they wants to believe. My relationship with God is not based on what I do. Just like Jeremiah going thru, many people keeps telling lies and wants to hurt and kill him bec his love for God and even King David going thru same way. What I notice, what's hardest things to relate people is bad attitudes and tongues. And don't say all christians does that, no not all are like that. There are some christians are doing that too, and non christians the same. There are ex gays and I met them and they have wonderful families. Do they have no temptation? No, they still do, that's not mean they are still gay, its the battle of the flesh we are live in. Praise the Lord, when He comes to take me Home, I will no longer have this stinky flesh and will have new body, and that's goes for everyone who have Christ in them.

Read the whole context, eyeblue and that's my sn for long time and can't change that and not only that, I don't care who ro what you are does not make me cutting you down as you are to me.

eh, i don't see anything about your screen name in your posting. I guess it is from sniffing too much glue from your bible's binder.

 

[Deaf Images]

Definition of Heath?

1 a : a tract of wasteland b : an extensive area of rather level open uncultivated land usually with poor coarse soil, inferior drainage, and a surface rich in peat or peaty humus
2 a : any of a family (Ericaceae, the heath family) of shrubby dicotyledonous and often evergreen plants that thrive on open barren usually acid and ill-drained soil; especially : an evergreen subshrub of either of two genera (Erica and Calluna) with whorls of needlelike leaves and clusters of small flowers b : any of various plants that resemble true heaths

I would not want that name... I would prefer another name! :stupid:

 

[hottiedeafboi]

Good Lawd! More homophobic baloney!

Tsk! Tsk!

No one can judge so it is the only man upstairs who will judge.

Not you! Not me! Not others!

Get a life!

Homophobic is more as hatred to them, which I have none in that, and there is no such "man upstairs", He is God of Omnipresence. When someone points out, we shared what we believe. I have nothing against anyone person who God created, but what persons and even myself who we are. Homophobic will not say God forgives them, which I strongly believe God does forgives them as much as everyone else, but those who reject God's Son and died without Him, under unforgiveness, bec not Blood atonement that God has offer. Instead many choose their own way and our job is share the Gospel, if I don't, it mean I don't care about others, why? Bec I want people to be part of family of God, oh how rejoicing that be, but broke me, bec people refuse. Does not matter who you are or what you done, Jesus paid it all and calling each one to come to Him. There's nothing bad about that at all, its all about Love. The point is each person have a choice, accept His Love or reject or try to make a approval or to live up to it which call find other way.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

That statement doesn't even make any sense. I don't teach the Word of God, I merely interpret it.



No offense, but I'll go to a real doctor if I ever need heart surgery.



I've never met a doctor or a psychologist who doesn't have a religion.



I'm not "cutting you down", I'm trying to get you to realise how silly what you're saying is.



Who said I had negative ideas about you? I certainly didn't.

Ofc go to physical doctors for physical ailment, and even Luke in the Bible is a doctor. Jesus is my Physician and PHd for my Spiritual needs. And he's been really good to me and taught me many ways and whatever I face, I learn something. Yes, you ve been saying lot of negative things and cutting me down as you claim and think that I think highly than others, I don't need phd or anything, it is not my talent of it. There's nothing wrong for going to the doctor, bec God gave them their talents and gifts. Some taken for granted what God have given them without thanking Him for that. Each of us has God given talents. That's what we should be grateful what He has given us, but many turn their back on them. Remember, I said many, not all.

 

[hottiedeafboi]

eh, i don't see anything about your screen name in your posting. I guess it is from sniffing too much glue from your bible's binder.

Whatever