Breaking News! CNN announces Osama Bin Laden is Dead !

Reba said:
How do you know he's been quiet? Do you listen to his program? If you do, you can tell us how he tried to spin it.
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No one has heard from him.:wave:

My, my, but the conservatives are defensive today.:cool2:
 
deafskeptic said:
This is a bit off the topic but I can't see Trump as being a good diplomat either.
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Decidedly no. Too concerned with me, me, me. A good diplomat has to have the ability to function cross culturally. Something a narcissist like Trump would not be able to do.
 
Beowulf said:
Well, I can see Obama being diplomatic with Pakistan after the fact, but not Bush. The whole world knew about the Bush declaration, "If you're not with us, you're against us." Or maybe it's just me. *shrug*
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Exactly. It has already been shown that Obama's diplomatic skills surpassed Bush's by a great deal. Bush did more to complicate diplomatic relations in a negative manner. Foreign opinion of the U.S. plummeted under his Presidency.
 
TXgolfer said:
Can you image the uproar in this country if wikileaks reported a month from now that obama had a chance to get OBL and decided not too? Maybe wikileaks shod get the credit. :hmm:
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If, If, If. Why can't people stick to what is instead pulling "hat ifs" ut of thin air that are never going to happen?
 
jillio said:
Decidedly no. Too concerned with me, me, me. A good diplomat has to have the ability to function cross culturally. Something a narcissist like Trump would not be able to do.
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Yeah. I think Bob Dole, George H.W. Bush and Mc Cain would make decent or excellent diplomats. I'm afraid I can't say the same for either George W Bush or Trump.
 
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Reba said:
If it could have been "done" sooner, why didn't Obama "do" it last year?

Or could it be that all the pieces didn't come together until recently, regardless of who was President? :hmm:

Honestly, I don't understand what is so humorous about all of this.

I think it's wonderful that OBL was caught, no matter who the President is. I'm very happy that Obama made the right decisions in this operation.
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The pieces came together as a result of good direction and proper analysis of intelligence by the President. Just can't handle that Obama is getting such praise, can you?
 
TXgolfer said:
I said as much when she mentioned sour grapes.....didn't see the point of responding to such silliness again
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The only silliness around here is the constant playing of "what if" games in an attempt to minimize this momentous event in American history.:D
 
Reba said:
The President is the Commander in Chief of the military, not their owner. He didn't assign them, or train them. They don't belong to him like house servants. They were SEALs before Obama was President.


If you can quit laughing for a minute, maybe I can explain to you.

I never said that Obama couldn't learn, especially if he listened to those who did have experience. I him lots of credit but even he would tell you that it was a combination of previous intelligence, circumstances (such as weather), the know-how of the CIA and military leaders, and finally, and most important, the SEALs carrying out the mission. With any piece of that combination missing the mark, it would have been a disastrous failure.
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Consider this; when our Civil War began, President Lincoln new little or nothing about war and strategic parts in war. He researched and endlessly read, learned, and even meeting with many Union Generals. Obama is also capable of learning how covert ops and the progress of current intelligence. Im already sick of this thread because it turned into a rediculous debate of who's right wrong. Lets be happy that this was successful and have a general feeling of some relief after what has happened in last 16 hours.

Reba said:
What diplomatic skills? The US didn't even inform Pakistan about the plan until it was over, much less work with them on it. If anything, Pakistan was keeping OBL under wraps from the US.
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This is just my speculation, but perhaps US has been much less "cooperative" with Pakistan because if Bin Laden was actually at this compound/mansion there could be reason to believe some Pakistani government officials. They may very well wanted to get this done without Pakistan or someone in Pakistani gov't who could have informed ahead of time and OBL escaping once again.
 
AlleyCat said:
I find this hilarious!! :lol:
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Of course, that was the feeling after President Bush (elder) won the first Gulf War and liberated Kuwait. The public exuberantly supported Bush. For a while, no Democrat wanted to declare candidacy against him because everyone thought Bush was unbeatable.

However, by the time the election came around, everything had changed, and Bill Clinton won.

In politics, one cannot take anything for granted.
 
Reba said:
The President is the Commander in Chief of the military, not their owner. He didn't assign them, or train them. They don't belong to him like house servants. They were SEALs before Obama was President.


If you can quit laughing for a minute, maybe I can explain to you.

I never said that Obama couldn't learn, especially if he listened to those who did have experience. I give him lots of credit but even he would tell you that it was a combination of previous intelligence, circumstances (such as weather), the know-how of the CIA and military leaders, and finally, and most important, the SEALs carrying out the mission. With any piece of that combination missing the mark, it would have been a disastrous failure.
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And yet, you stated that you had reservations about a President becoming Commander in Chief when he had no military experience.:lol: Memories seem to be based on convenience.
 
hohDougRN said:
Consider this; when our Civil War began, President Lincoln new little or nothing about war and strategic parts in war. He researched and endlessly read, learned, and even meeting with many Union Generals. Obama is also capable of learning how covert ops and the progress of current intelligence. Im already sick of this thread because it turned into a rediculous debate of who's right wrong. Lets be happy that this was successful and have a general feeling of some relief after what has happened in last 16 hours.



This is just my speculation, but perhaps US has been much less "cooperative" with Pakistan because if Bin Laden was actually at this compound/mansion there could be reason to believe some Pakistani government officials. They may very well wanted to get this done without Pakistan or someone in Pakistani gov't who could have informed ahead of time and OBL escaping once again.
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:gpost:
 
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jillio said:
The pieces came together as a result of good direction and proper analysis of intelligence by the President. Just can't handle that Obama is getting such praise, can you?
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Somehow you overlooked my praise of his accomplishment. All your laughter blinded you, I guess. I don't begrudge him credit where credit is due. You also don't understand that while praising Obama, I can also praise all the others who were involved in the success of this mission.

BTW, it's not the job of any President to analyze intelligence. We have specialists for that. They do the gathering and analyzing of the intelligence, and present it to the President.
 
Reba said:
Of course, that was the feeling after President Bush (elder) won the first Gulf War and liberated Kuwait. The public exuberantly supported Bush. For a while, no Democrat wanted to declare candidacy against him because everyone thought Bush was unbeatable.

However, by the time the election came around, everything had changed, and Bill Clinton won.

In politics, one cannot take anything for granted.
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Of course.

For the time being, I still find it hilarious.
 
Reba said:
Somehow you overlooked my praise of his accomplishment. All your laughter blinded you, I guess. I don't begrudge him credit where credit is due. You also don't understand that while praising Obama, I can also praise all the others who were involved in the success of this mission.

BTW, it's not the job of any President to analyze intelligence. We have specialists for that. They do the gathering and analyzing of the intelligence, and present it to the President.
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Nope, I didn't overlook it at all, even though it is buried under much more criticism and what ifs. Yes, and the people analyzing the intelligence are Obama's staff, are they not? A good President knows how to delegate to good experts.

Laughter lengthens the life span. Negativity decreases it.
 
Reba said:
That's why a SEAL team face-to-face attack was better than an air attack.
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correct me if I'm wrong but I saw something that there was a drone attack too.
 
jillio said:
And yet, you stated that you had reservations about a President becoming Commander in Chief when he had no military experience.:lol: Memories seem to be based on convenience.
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He didn't have military experience, did he?

He was smart enough to realize that, and to use the expertise of those who do have experience. That's a good thing.
 
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