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To the above persons who disagree with anything I have keyed-don't read. I am NOT really compelling anyone.Gee: I thought my cat was on the computer again!
Interesting thoughts GrendelQ. perhaps too subtle to pick up! Considering that so far I haven't started any threads-just commented on what I read.

Well Speedy Hawk- don't collapse into a "hernia" from excess laughter at alleged nonsense-well shoveled towards me here. Right- secret agent for Hernia doctors- special this week with speedy service only for the small fee of $1,000,009.99 including all sales taxes in IceGreensland.

Maestro: another load of "crocodile tears" to the "respectful opponents".
Is this an instance of the so called "friendly Deaf" welcoming everybody? Gee: is a nest of vipers more "friendly"? Pace nitpickers-not picking on vipers of course! Seems they don't read computers very well.

Banjo: deaf swimming is factual-correct? Reality test- Do it all the time. Who swims with their Cochlear Implant still connected assuming one is in their right mind of course Pace-nitpickers-not a subtle ad for "swimming psychologist consultation".Mr Clock might be offended!

Implanted Advanced Bionics-Harmony activated Aug/07

Deaf Culture is actually a quite friendly place to be. But the same as hearing culture...no one appreciates a pompous ass who seems to be able to do nothing but insult that which he knows nothing about. The implication is just because you don't know anything about it, it is automatically invalidated.:roll:

You have a serious case of a superiority complex...designed, it is obvious to cover up the true fact of the inferiority you so obviously feel. And you are using this board to make yourself feel oh, so superior to the poor, ignorant deaf folk that think they have their own culture.

You must have had a difficult 70 years on this earth. Your bitterness overwhelms.

Deaf Culture is not the problem here. You are.
 
Not sure I'd want to read this...I may become another DrPhil:shock:

Anyway, back to the OP.

I still haven't gotten any books yet. I'm kinda waiting to find out if my ASL teacher will be recommending any...plus I'm watching my pennies right now. Deaf Culture is part of the book we're using & we have homework about it so I am learning more.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions and VALID (and understandable) opinions.

LOL, I doubt it seriously. You are capable of comoprehending what you read.:giggle: It really is a good book in the hands and mind of someone who is capable of learning.
 
Not sure I'd want to read this...I may become another DrPhil:shock:

Anyway, back to the OP.

I still haven't gotten any books yet. I'm kinda waiting to find out if my ASL teacher will be recommending any...plus I'm watching my pennies right now. Deaf Culture is part of the book we're using & we have homework about it so I am learning more.

Thanks everyone for your suggestions and VALID (and understandable) opinions.

LoveBlue - one thing I'd actaully recommend is looking to your public library for books instead of buying them especially if money is tight. "Journey into the DEAF-WORLD","Train Go Sorry","Deaf in America, Voices from a culture","Seeing Voices","Learning to See" etc are all commonly available at many public libraries ... if you don't find a title - ask the library to add it to their collection!

I'd also recommend looking at re-sellers such as AbeBook.com for copies of books - since they often are a fraction the cost of traditional books stores. I've purchased a number of "like new" books at 80% off the MSRP from AbeBooks.

One thing that I caution people on when reading these books is - when you first start reading the book, make sure that you look at the original publication date. It's very important to remember that the contents of that book refers to ASL and the Deaf Community etc. at that point in time and is not necessarily the same today.
The largest and most dramatic change in the DEAF WORLD from the time at which most of these books were written (1980-2000) is the advances in technology pertaining to Hearing Aids and Cochlear Implants. It is important to keep in mind that the CIs results of today are MUCH different than the ones of the 1970s and 80s ... the goal of early CIs were to 'give an awareness of sound/noise' (but rarely enough that people could understand any speech or what the sound they 'heard' was). The CIs of today can sometimes/often provide understanding of both sounds and some/most speech.
Today's CIs provide functional hearing to many/most of those who are implanted - they allow a person to identify sound sources (is it the doorbell, water, a bus/car, person speaking) and often to improve access to aural/oral communication.
The CIs of the past simply immersed a deaf person (who was used to a very quite world - a quiet world that made sense to them) into an environment swimming with what was largely incomprehensible noise - then were expected to make sense of the non-sense noises.

The more people who are implanted with CIs, the more people who are able to voice their opinion regarding communication, understanding etc. Many people with CI are involved in the Deaf Community and sign ... and professionals who for decades perpetuated the myth that ASL was "harmful" for those with CI etc have been outnumbered by Professionals and CI users themselves who know that ASL (or SEE, PSE etc - even Cuing) in fact is a powerful and helpful additional tool for CI users.

These positive changes are HUGE in the eyes of the Deaf Community - and most of the Deaf Community no longer views Ci as a "threat" (much of the threat/fear was that individuals would be forced/required to get a CI -have no control over their own body, own language, own identity).
Are there still individuals in the Deaf Community that are truly "Anti-CI", of course, but that is an individual view, not a community view.

While the many books out there are extremely valuable in understanding Deaf Culture and the Deaf Community (general) - it's also absolutely critical that people reading these books keep in mind that they represent a JOURNEY, not an "end".
The DEAF COMMUNITY, DEAF CULTURE (glossed intentionally) is a living, growing, expanding andchanging community with a living, growing and thriving language.
The books of the 1970s-2000s are valuable for depicting the Deaf Community's world and struggles at the time the book was written while also demonstrating to the reader of TODAY that as a truly living community/culture/language the Deaf Community (just like various hearing communities) has many values&norms that remain fairly constant over generations, however there are also many changes which take place (especially pertaining to technology) including the general acceptance of the use of HA and CI in today's Deaf Community.

It's important to remember when reading Deaf History books (which now include "When the Mind Hears", "Journey into the DEAF-WORLD" etc) that they are read AS history books (albeit recent history). The core values of the Deaf Community are static ... Signed Language, Deaf Poetry, Deaf Stories, Community and cultural aspects remain largely the same over generations ... however the way in which the Deaf Community views technology such as CI etc does change, and often changes dramatically over a 5-10year period (largely because technology itself changes so very quickly).


Hope that helps ... sorry if it's a bit rambling (I'm battling a migraine)
 
LoveBlue - one thing I'd actaully recommend is looking to your public library for books instead of buying them especially if money is tight. "Journey into the DEAF-WORLD","Train Go Sorry","Deaf in America, Voices from a culture","Seeing Voices","Learning to See" etc are all commonly available at many public libraries ... if you don't find a title - ask the library to add it to their collection!

I'd also recommend looking at re-sellers such as AbeBook.com for copies of books - since they often are a fraction the cost of traditional books stores. I've purchased a number of "like new" books at 80% off the MSRP from AbeBooks.

One thing that I caution people on when reading these books is - when you first start reading the book, make sure that you look at the original publication date. It's very important to remember that the contents of that book refers to ASL and the Deaf Community etc. at that point in time and is not necessarily the same today.
The largest and most dramatic change in the DEAF WORLD from the time at which most of these books were written (1980-2000) is the advances in technology pertaining to Hearing Aids and Cochlear Implants. It is important to keep in mind that the CIs results of today are MUCH different than the ones of the 1970s and 80s ... the goal of early CIs were to 'give an awareness of sound/noise' (but rarely enough that people could understand any speech or what the sound they 'heard' was). The CIs of today can sometimes/often provide understanding of both sounds and some/most speech.
Today's CIs provide functional hearing to many/most of those who are implanted - they allow a person to identify sound sources (is it the doorbell, water, a bus/car, person speaking) and often to improve access to aural/oral communication.
The CIs of the past simply immersed a deaf person (who was used to a very quite world - a quiet world that made sense to them) into an environment swimming with what was largely incomprehensible noise - then were expected to make sense of the non-sense noises.

The more people who are implanted with CIs, the more people who are able to voice their opinion regarding communication, understanding etc. Many people with CI are involved in the Deaf Community and sign ... and professionals who for decades perpetuated the myth that ASL was "harmful" for those with CI etc have been outnumbered by Professionals and CI users themselves who know that ASL (or SEE, PSE etc - even Cuing) in fact is a powerful and helpful additional tool for CI users.

These positive changes are HUGE in the eyes of the Deaf Community - and most of the Deaf Community no longer views Ci as a "threat" (much of the threat/fear was that individuals would be forced/required to get a CI -have no control over their own body, own language, own identity).
Are there still individuals in the Deaf Community that are truly "Anti-CI", of course, but that is an individual view, not a community view.

While the many books out there are extremely valuable in understanding Deaf Culture and the Deaf Community (general) - it's also absolutely critical that people reading these books keep in mind that they represent a JOURNEY, not an "end".
The DEAF COMMUNITY, DEAF CULTURE (glossed intentionally) is a living, growing, expanding andchanging community with a living, growing and thriving language.
The books of the 1970s-2000s are valuable for depicting the Deaf Community's world and struggles at the time the book was written while also demonstrating to the reader of TODAY that as a truly living community/culture/language the Deaf Community (just like various hearing communities) has many values&norms that remain fairly constant over generations, however there are also many changes which take place (especially pertaining to technology) including the general acceptance of the use of HA and CI in today's Deaf Community.

It's important to remember when reading Deaf History books (which now include "When the Mind Hears", "Journey into the DEAF-WORLD" etc) that they are read AS history books (albeit recent history). The core values of the Deaf Community are static ... Signed Language, Deaf Poetry, Deaf Stories, Community and cultural aspects remain largely the same over generations ... however the way in which the Deaf Community views technology such as CI etc does change, and often changes dramatically over a 5-10year period (largely because technology itself changes so very quickly).


Hope that helps ... sorry if it's a bit rambling (I'm battling a migraine)

It makes perfect sense and is good advice.
 
LoveBlue - one thing I'd actaully recommend is looking to your public library for books instead of buying them especially if money is tight. "Journey into the DEAF-WORLD","Train Go Sorry","Deaf in America, Voices from a culture","Seeing Voices","Learning to See" etc are all commonly available at many public libraries ... if you don't find a title - ask the library to add it to their collection!

I'd also recommend looking at re-sellers such as AbeBook.com for copies of books - since they often are a fraction the cost of traditional books stores. I've purchased a number of "like new" books at 80% off the MSRP from AbeBooks.

One thing that I caution people on when reading these books is - when you first start reading the book, make sure that you look at the original publication date. It's very important to remember that the contents of that book refers to ASL and the Deaf Community etc. at that point in time and is not necessarily the same today.
The largest and most dramatic change in the DEAF WORLD from the time at which most of these books were written (1980-2000) is the advances in technology pertaining to Hearing Aids and Cochlear Implants. It is important to keep in mind that the CIs results of today are MUCH different than the ones of the 1970s and 80s ... the goal of early CIs were to 'give an awareness of sound/noise' (but rarely enough that people could understand any speech or what the sound they 'heard' was). The CIs of today can sometimes/often provide understanding of both sounds and some/most speech.
Today's CIs provide functional hearing to many/most of those who are implanted - they allow a person to identify sound sources (is it the doorbell, water, a bus/car, person speaking) and often to improve access to aural/oral communication.
The CIs of the past simply immersed a deaf person (who was used to a very quite world - a quiet world that made sense to them) into an environment swimming with what was largely incomprehensible noise - then were expected to make sense of the non-sense noises.

The more people who are implanted with CIs, the more people who are able to voice their opinion regarding communication, understanding etc. Many people with CI are involved in the Deaf Community and sign ... and professionals who for decades perpetuated the myth that ASL was "harmful" for those with CI etc have been outnumbered by Professionals and CI users themselves who know that ASL (or SEE, PSE etc - even Cuing) in fact is a powerful and helpful additional tool for CI users.

These positive changes are HUGE in the eyes of the Deaf Community - and most of the Deaf Community no longer views Ci as a "threat" (much of the threat/fear was that individuals would be forced/required to get a CI -have no control over their own body, own language, own identity).
Are there still individuals in the Deaf Community that are truly "Anti-CI", of course, but that is an individual view, not a community view.

While the many books out there are extremely valuable in understanding Deaf Culture and the Deaf Community (general) - it's also absolutely critical that people reading these books keep in mind that they represent a JOURNEY, not an "end".
The DEAF COMMUNITY, DEAF CULTURE (glossed intentionally) is a living, growing, expanding andchanging community with a living, growing and thriving language.
The books of the 1970s-2000s are valuable for depicting the Deaf Community's world and struggles at the time the book was written while also demonstrating to the reader of TODAY that as a truly living community/culture/language the Deaf Community (just like various hearing communities) has many values&norms that remain fairly constant over generations, however there are also many changes which take place (especially pertaining to technology) including the general acceptance of the use of HA and CI in today's Deaf Community.

It's important to remember when reading Deaf History books (which now include "When the Mind Hears", "Journey into the DEAF-WORLD" etc) that they are read AS history books (albeit recent history). The core values of the Deaf Community are static ... Signed Language, Deaf Poetry, Deaf Stories, Community and cultural aspects remain largely the same over generations ... however the way in which the Deaf Community views technology such as CI etc does change, and often changes dramatically over a 5-10year period (largely because technology itself changes so very quickly).


Hope that helps ... sorry if it's a bit rambling (I'm battling a migraine)

Seeing Voices is another of my favorites. I think it is because it is so unusual to find a medical professional that does not take a pathological view of deafness...or of any disorder, really. Saks is an amazing man. When the Mind Hears is also very informative.
 
I would put hearing people in the deaf society, totally on that his/her own, adapting and to learn. It is helluva a lot better than reading any books.
 
Thanks Anij. I will keep these things in mind. I am open-minded and also take things "with a grain of salt", so I know what I read probably isn't "written in stone".

Linux, I agree...but not sure when I'll take that "plunge".
 
Hey! I too believe in UFO's. They are UnFinished Objects, specifically when quilting, scrapbooking, knitting, crocheting or any other craft.
 
Great to believe in UFOs-gee have a ride to Jupiter-free of charge. Flat earthers have been around a long time. They seem to have "Lots of company"-these days.

Need more interesting groups-try Google.

banjo: the swimming pools I use are part of the City of Toronto-recreation department-not the "Y". No- not trying to "drum up business" for them.

Implanted Advanced Bionics- Harmony activated Aug/07
 
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Great to believe in UFOs-gee have a ride to Jupiter-free of charge. Flat earthers have been around a long time. They seem to have "Lots of company"-these days.
Nah, I think I'll stay here with my feet flat on the flat earth.
 
Great to believe in UFOs-gee have a ride to Jupiter-free of charge. Flat earthers have been around a long time. They seem to have "Lots of company"-these days.

If the Good Lord above intended me to be there, he would have put me there. I will stay here on Terra Firma.
 
Great to believe in UFOs-gee have a ride to Jupiter-free of charge. Flat earthers have been around a long time. They seem to have "Lots of company"-these days.

Did you know that Jupiter is better than any amusement park ride in the world? Seriously, as soon as you "set foot" on that planet (since it's gas), you slingshot almost all the way through to the other side. Then you shoot back again. Then you go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth until you're firmly entrenched in the middle of the planet and you can't get out.:shock:

Even though I really love Earth (and I'm terrified of roller coasters), I'd still love to try that (if it wouldn't kill me).
 
I would put hearing people in the deaf society, totally on that his/her own, adapting and to learn. It is helluva a lot better than reading any books.

True. But books can give one a familiarity with specific historical concepts that explain the values and norms one sees within the culture.
 
Thanks Anij. I will keep these things in mind. I am open-minded and also take things "with a grain of salt", so I know what I read probably isn't "written in stone".

Linux, I agree...but not sure when I'll take that "plunge".

True. None of it is written in stone, but it certainly makes you think.

No time like the present. Take a deep breath and jump! We'll be here to catch you if you fall!
 
Did you know that Jupiter is better than any amusement park ride in the world? Seriously, as soon as you "set foot" on that planet (since it's gas), you slingshot almost all the way through to the other side. Then you shoot back again. Then you go back and forth and back and forth and back and forth until you're firmly entrenched in the middle of the planet and you can't get out.:shock:

Even though I really love Earth (and I'm terrified of roller coasters), I'd still love to try that (if it wouldn't kill me).

Heh, maybe you'll turn into a ping pong ball. :giggle:
 
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