Best way to develop oral skills?

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Jiro said:
that's just me. Notice the sentence in my post - I am LEGALLY deaf but when I describe myself to others, I say I am hard-of-hearing. Correct me if I'm wrong but there are 2 widely accepted terms to describe the degree of hearing damage - deaf and hard of hearing.

For example - when you hear the word blind, the thought is automatically processed in your head that the person is COMPLETELY blind. That's why it's not fair, IMO, for someone to make a blanket comment such as "there are blind children who have acquire visual acuity....." because it creates confusion thus the debate goes nowhere. It's best to be as specific as possible simply for the sake of argument.

Faire_Joule's contention is best applied to who? kids with CI? HA? congenitally deaf? late deaf? what what what???? CONFUSION!!!
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I have to say that I am deaf or people will assume I can understand everything they say if I say I am hoh. For some strange reason, people equate hoh as being able to understand everything if they speak louder! :laugh2: I dont need people screaming at me.
 
To guarantee that a deaf/hoh child to acquire their L1 naturally, they would need to be exposed to sign language, correct?
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Sign language is not the only option for L1.
 
loml said:
Sign language is not the only option for L1.
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What other language would you consider to be appropriate for L! for a child that does not hear? What is it that makes language 100% accessable to a deaf child?
 
jillio said:
What other language would you consider to be appropriate for L! for a child that does not hear? What is it that makes language 100% accessable to a deaf child?
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<raising my hand> mememememe i know i know i know! please call on me please call on me
 
jillio said:
You are correct. That is what loml will say. But we have already discussed why that is not so, haven't we?
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There's a lot of focus on L1/L2/L100 language acquisition. Quite a few people are passionate about a child's development during the first 3 years, which is fantastic, but what about the later years? I feel like immersing yourself with ASL (deaf school) and weekly speech therapy and repetitive sayings from your parents (i.e. "Are you hungry?") would not bring out the potential of someone who could converse well (both ways).

I am wondering if people assume that if one has the ability to converse, s/he would naturally learn to speak/lipread on his/her own?

PS. I was joking about L100 :)
 
Daredevel7 said:
There's a lot of focus on L1/L2/L100 language acquisition. Quite a few people are passionate about a child's development during the first 3 years, which is fantastic, but what about the later years? I feel like immersing yourself with ASL (deaf school) and weekly speech therapy and repetitive sayings from your parents (i.e. "Are you hungry?") would not bring out the potential of someone who could converse well (both ways).

I am wondering if people assume that if one has the ability to converse, s/he would naturally learn to speak/lipread on his/her own?

PS. I was joking about L100 :)
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I certainly don't assume that.

The reason that birth-3 is such a focus is because it has such a huge impact on later development. You don't put the roof on before you build the foundation.
 
jillio said:
I certainly don't assume that.

The reason that birth-3 is such a focus is because it has such a huge impact on later development. You don't put the roof on before you build the foundation.
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Yes but people are looking at the foundation so much that they forgot to put on the roof until it started raining.
 
loml said:
Actually, I use the term Cued English Jiro.:roll:
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but.... the quote in your signature

....Cued Speech has substantial data showing that it enables deaf children to attain competency in English at the level of hearing students grade by grade. I know of no other system that enables this to happen.... As more and more young deaf persons achieve academically because of this system, deaf leaders will need to re-examine their options.
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and the link you provided in your profile - www.[B]cuedspeech[/B].org
 
You cannot lip read a language you do not know.
 
loml said:
You cannot lip read a language you do not know.
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to be more accurate - a deaf cannot lip read a SPOKEN LANGUAGE effectively since he cannot hear. It's oxymoronic. Jillio's question was VERY specific - "What other language would you consider to be appropriate for L1 for a child that does not hear? What is it that makes language 100% accessable to a deaf child?"
 
loml said:
Jiro - and your point is what exactly?
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Cued Speech is what you've been promoting for the whole time. Why a sudden change of name to Cued English? What is C.E. anyway??? How is it different from C.S.?
 
Jiro said:
to be more accurate - a deaf cannot lip read a SPOKEN LANGUAGE effectively since he cannot hear. It's oxymoronic. Jillio's question was VERY specific - "What other language would you consider to be appropriate for L1 for a child that does not hear? What is it that makes language 100% accessable to a deaf child?"
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Let me hazzard a guess here... This question rules out spoken language as it's only partially accessible to a deaf child. To the oralists, sign language is not acceptable. Of course, loml is going to say cued English is the answer here.
 
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