Baby No. 17 For Duggars Coming Soon

[Reba]

You use your children as caregiver to their own siblings Remember, that professional maids and Nannies are not same thing as babysitters...

My daughter was an only child, and she's 33 years old now.

"Professional" isn't the same as "family".

Why should I repeat? You know my debate posts with you (see the link, I provided toward Opal's post yesterday).

That's because there is no evidence to present.

... A lot of rich people hire proffesional maids and Nannies...

So? Just having the money to do things doesn't always mean it's the right or best thing to do.

:jaw: you don't see deal but I collect experiences from my friends who experienced from a big family and work at farm... They hurried up to get married and leave home to live their own.

I also know many people who grew up in large families, and they want to have large families the same. I'm not saying a large family is for everyone. It's right from some people, and if those people are satisfied, that's fine with me.

What you said here is too extreme and twist... Why do you always put negative instead of positive examples to post here when you knew very well that nobody do like that. Do you really think that the parents exposure their children like this...then prove me... Can you provide me the example links to show me where the parents take their children to negative trips like what you stated here?

OK. I'll give you equal time. Which positive "real world" experiences are they missing out on that will impact their lives forever?

 

[DeafSCUBA98]

wow 17 kids i can't believe it.. *looks at my pocket* nah i can't afford.

i notice they live on 7,000 sq foot home with 9 bathrooms *thud*

its interesting to see family members getting more kids and more.. they love kids i appauled them. its what they want so they deserve what they want.. all those family seems loved, caring, and happy.

i agree with everything reba says.. and she has the point.. It is their life not yours. and there's no need to critlize it.. respect their wishes.

if you want no kids thats great
if you want 3 kids thats great
if you want 7 kids thats great
if you want 20 kids thats great.

i know a person who have 12 brothers and sisters they are happy family supportive and loveable.

my grandma also come from a big family and they're happy, loveable, and caring.

let it be.. as long they can afford and be happy thats good for them.

i feel insulted when people are critlized about this because my family is comming from a big family.


as for adoption.. it takes alot of time, travel, and money.. its not cheap to adopt a kid.. it is cheaper to give birth than to adopt a kid.

 

[TFWFalcon]

My mother's side hertiage famliy alway big. Last time I was young there is 15 family and notice many aunt. I ask my mother how come not many uncle?. She told me that has you four uncle lost life due WII soldiers. I said oh I wish met them.

 

[shel90]

at Liebling and Reba continuing their debate show.

 

[VamPyroX]

So if the Duggars were an atheist Deaf family it would make a difference?

That would depend on their reason for having so many kids.

 

[shel90]

Is it cuz of their religion that they have so many children? I remember watching the show about them so I vaguely remember something about religion and large families. If so, then why are those two correlated?

 

[Reba]

That would depend on their reason for having so many kids.

So, the number of kids isn't a problem; the reason is?

Is that what you mean?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

My daughter was an only child, and she's 33 years old now.

Yes I know that you have an adult daughter but we are here to talk in general way.

"Professional" isn't the same as "family".

Yes, I am agree that it´s difference between them but if the parents need support then rely their parents or relatives for support, not rely on their children for the responsiblities. They should think twice before start a big family if they know they have no relatives to support them to raise their children. If they insist to have a big family then is their own responsiblity, not burden their children for the responsiblity. Let them enjoy their childhood experiences.

I the parents who want to take responsible by their own to bring many children without burden children with adult responsibilties. I against the parents for use their children as worker, maids, nannies, caregiver etc.

I the parents who think twice before want to have a big family for hire nannies or relatives to leave the children alone.

So? Just having the money to do things doesn't always mean it's the right or best thing to do.

Is it okay to rely on the children with adult responsiblities to raise their siblings up? It´s the children who parents their siblings, not their parents...

I see no problem to have parental´s decision for want a big family as long as they leave their children alone. I the parents to leave their children alone to ask relatives or nannies for the support.

I also know many people who grew up in large families, and they want to have large families the same. I'm not saying a large family is for everyone. It's right from some people, and if those people are satisfied, that's fine with me.

I know many people who grew up in a large family (between 8 and 13 children) have only one to four children. They shared their experience and don´t want to have a large family. My hubby´s Great Grandma have 10 siblings so they have 5 children then their 5 children have between one and three children.

I would say there´re rare who grew up in large framliy for want to have a large family as well.

OK. I'll give you equal time. Which positive "real world" experiences are they missing out on that will impact their lives forever?

Why should I give you list of positive examples? You know yourself what/how to exposure your children in positive way at real world then.

I remember from read their websites that the parents won´t let their children to watch New TV, etc but Christianitiy movies via video cassette all the time..., no radio, etc... It look like that they hide their children from real world... They have the right to know what kind of world we have... (I mean the fact news, not volience movies etc). It will be very hard for them to learn what kind of world we have when they get out of parent´s house to live their own life. It´s only parents who know about real world, not their children.

 

[shel90]

If they are doing that, then that is not good. Their children dont have to be exposed to porn, violence, or sex but they need to know what's happening out in the world. I agree with u...if those children are raised completely sheltered, it could be harder for them to adapt to changes.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

its interesting to see family members getting more kids and more.. they love kids i appauled them. its what they want so they deserve what they want.. all those family seems loved, caring, and happy.

If they love to have more children then is their own responsiblity, not burden their children with responsiblity.

if you want no kids thats great
if you want 3 kids thats great
if you want 7 kids thats great
if you want 20 kids thats great.

As long as the parents leave their children alone is great, no matter what. If they want to have a lot of children then is their own responsiblity as the parents.

let it be.. as long they can afford and be happy thats good for them.

As long as the parents don´t burden their children with responsiblity then is great.

i feel insulted when people are critlized about this because my family is comming from a big family.

Do you think you are only one in the world who have a large family? We don´t know your life but Duggars. It´s Duggars, we are talking about, not you...

as for adoption.. it takes alot of time, travel, and money.. its not cheap to adopt a kid.. it is cheaper to give birth than to adopt a kid.

So? I some actresses, actors or rich people who adopt the children from homeless and orphan home... They are good heart people... I would adopt the children if I have money to acheive a large family.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

If they are doing that, then that is not good. Their children dont have to be exposed to porn, violence, or sex but they need to know what's happening out in the world. I agree with u...if those children are raised completely sheltered, it could be harder for them to adapt to changes.

Exactly...

The children has the right to know what kind of world we have... It´s our job as parents to positive our children´s life and show what wrong and right.

 

[shel90]

Thoughts of a Regular Guy: More On The Duggar Family

Some interesting debate about the Duggars in this link. I foung this interesting...

Anonymous said...
Give me a break! First of all, do you think that their new home, the labor that it took to build it, and all of its new contents were bough with Mr. Duggar's hard earned dollars? Puh-leez! Ever heard of charitable donations? Ever time you see a brand name flash across the screen some company is getting free advertising and they gave up something, namely free products to get it. Why do you think they were shocked to see their new living room set, their new outdoor grill, their new GRAND PIANO...because it was all given to them! Like some many freakish families with huge broods, the Duggars have learned to cash in. It's great exposure for all of the companies involved and the American public's heart strings get tugged when we see tears of gratitude running down Mama Duggar's face. They are being rewarded for breeding exponentially. Whatever. That infuriates me. There are many a middle class family out there with one or two kids who are struggling to make it, but Mama Duggar and her brood get a free grand piano because she squeezed out 16 kids. I say, why don't we all have 16 kids, get 20 acres, and try get as much in the way of pity donations as possible? We can all live off of our land and home school our kids without a care in the world that global resources are dwindling and our miniture tribe is putting even greater pressure on a very stressed earth. We can sleep in peace in our 7000 square feet homes knowing that familes half the size of ours squeeze into 1/100 of the space we live in and many adoptable children go with food, shelter, or any family to call their own everyday.

 

[Reba]

... Why should I give you list of positive examples?

You're the one who brought it up, so I thought you had something to say about it. I guess not.

I remember from read their websites that the parents won´t let their children to watch New TV, etc but Christianitiy movies via video cassette all the time..., no radio, etc... It look like that they hide their children from real world....

There are other ways to get the "news".

There are lots of people who watch TV news every day, and they still don't seem to have a clue about what's really happening.

 

[VamPyroX]

So, the number of kids isn't a problem; the reason is?

Is that what you mean?

Well, I think that having too many kids is like having too many cats.

Why would anyone want to have so many kids?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

You're the one who brought it up, so I thought you had something to say about it. I guess not.

Everyone as parents know the logic what I am talking about but you? I'm sorry if you interpreted my post in the wrong way.

There are other ways to get the "news".

Do you mean Christianity news, not the news from real world?

There are lots of people who watch TV news every day, and they still don't seem to have a clue about what's really happening.

Yes, the problem is ignorant when the people keep on worship their beliefs than see the logic at real world. Some people not but listen and accept the news like this everyday, no matter what.

A other simple question: Why are you here?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Well, I think that having too many kids is like having too many cats.

Why would anyone want to have so many kids?

Thats' what I thought so.

I personally accept my responsible as parents for want to parent 2 to 4 kids because I can make my own responsibity as parent to my kids.

 

[Cheri]

Maybe some of the kids are ashamed because of society's attitude. Notice some of the posters in this thread mocking and criticizing the family. It's the mockers and criticizers, not the actions of the parents, who put shame on the kids. If people would mind their own business, the kids would probably be fine with their large family.

!! I agreed, I just ignored their pathetic posts.

 

[Opal]

A other simple question: Why are you here?

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Of course here to real world and modern time... like use computer to collect/exchange experiences with everyone, forums etc from the world... Right?

 

[Opal]

I think someone who always on and on are consider as Bully. Of course some has their different opinion/views, its is unnecessary to go rambling on and on, we don't need people to force and to listen and believe what the high volume member poster are trying to tell us.

Good luck.