Baby born deaf will get 'bionic ears' that could help him hear and talk

I had some hard of hearing and deaf classmates in our special education program with no Deaf Program for special accommodations that we need in both elementary and high school.
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I think that's what jillo was trying to say......Although nowadays, a lot of deaf kids are now more functionally hoh, they should NOT pursue the traditional "hoh" educutation. Meaning just auditory training, speech therapy and mainstream schools.
 
sallylou said:
For Calum's mom:

I ask sincerely, why are you here? Are you here solely to defend yourself? That's not necessary. Are you interested in joining our community here? If so, your attitude is going to have to change.
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In another word you're implying that the forum is only for those with Deaf beliefs?

Besides, you got the logic backwards, it was actually Calum's mom that was attacked first and not the other way around.
 
jillio said:
But they really hate the hearies that refuse to leave.:giggle:
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In another word, you're admitting that it's your goal, to try to make those that don't have Deaf beliefs leave? That is keep on attacking and criticizing them to the point that it becomes uncomfortable for them and they'll leave, right?
 
sallylou said:
TXGolfer, I don't know where you get your entitlement to judge me. I have my own opinions and I'm free to express them here.

I was appalled at the way that the mom addressed the elders on this forum. No respect for age and experience. She totally dismissed them. Of course, I'm going to stick up for them. The old "things are different" just doesn't cut it. People are basically the same no matter the time span.
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And you have the entitlement to judge Calum's mom?
 
sallylou said:
I was appalled at the way that the mom addressed the elders on this forum. No respect for age and experience. She totally dismissed them. Of course, I'm going to stick up for them. The old "things are different" just doesn't cut it. People are basically the same no matter the time span.
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Maybe it's also a question of that certain members are insisting that only certain people's "age and experience" count and it doesn't for the others.
 
sallylou said:
She's just another hearie who will use this forum for her own agenda and them disappear. Happens all of the time.
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That's because it's hard work having to defend yourself all the time, when we just get attacked. Jillio has stated that there are some hearies who just won't go away. You put people off conversing with you, I'm an extremely confident person, most people would have backed off by now, forgotten all about your website and horrible posts never to be seen again. I do not need to change my attitude, or give any more respect than I already have done, as I asked for peoples experiences and advice.

I have asked for specific advice and just get told I don't understand. I'm busy looking after my son, and my 3 year old. I came on here initially as I googled my son's name to see if the website I created came up. I came upon your post and wanted to correct the assumptions that you made about me, and to tell jillio that they are not using my son as an experiment. Maybe next time a mum like me pops up you could all go a bit easier and not go on about psychosocial development, and the fact that my son will not do well, without having any PRACTICAL advice to offer. Jillio you are extremely judgemental and seem very quick to put down hearing parents. Whatever knowledge you have to give is pointless if given in such a hostile way

Thank you to the people like deafcaroline, kokonut, babyblue, beach girl, hoh topics, txgolfer.

I'll leave you all with your petty squabbles and am going to get on with my life raising my happy little boy in the wonderful way I know how and learning more about deaf awareness as I go.
 
Hohtopics said:
In another word, you're admitting that it's your goal, to try to make those that don't have Deaf beliefs leave? That is keep on attacking and criticizing them to the point that it becomes uncomfortable for them and they'll leave, right?
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I am sorry but look at post #136. If people want to put all the blame on Jillio for "attacking" Callum's mom, prior to #136 no evidence of that until Jillio was attacked. What gives?

You and your cohorts need to take responsibility for the attacks as well. To blame us for everything, but when you all do the same is wrong.

Jillio CRITICIZES the audists views that was evidence in this thread. One being... "deaf people cant catch up with their peers if they dont have CI", among other comments.

Then, yes, it got personal but she is not the only one responsible. Others are too so stop pointing one finger at her. Point the other fingers at the others as well even the ones who share your views.
 
Hohtopics said:
In another word you're implying that the forum is only for those with Deaf beliefs?

Besides, you got the logic backwards, it was actually Calum's mom that was attacked first and not the other way around.
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:hmm: attacked how? Did anyone call her names?
 
Calums mum said:
I have asked for specific advice and just get told I don't understand. I'm busy looking after my son, and my 3 year old. I came on here initially as I googled my son's name to see if the website I created came up. I came upon your post and wanted to correct the assumptions that you made about me, and to tell jillio that they are not using my son as an experiment. Maybe next time a mum like me pops up you could all go a bit easier and not go on about psychosocial development, and the fact that my son will not do well, without having any PRACTICAL advice to offer.

I'll leave you all with your petty squabbles and am going to get on with my life raising my happy little boy in the wonderful way I know how and learning more about deaf awareness as I go.
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Initally I wasn't going to comment on the thread, since I know next to nothing about the affairs in Britain, but I would like to point out one thing. Mainstream eduction for the deaf and people who require special eduction IS an experiment. It always has been, even back in the 1700s when the French opened up the first signed educational institute in Paris. Yes, there's a lot of educated experts, and self-styled ones as well; but if such a simple notion like how to teach the deaf is such a hotbed even among the hearing themselves, then it is still mucking around.

I am a byproduct of such experiment, bilingual. Am I proud of my education? Some days, I am. Other days, I am not. There are days where I want to immerse fully in the Deaf world; other days... I wish I had nothing to do with it-- not because of the culture itself, but because I am a morose cynical idiot. However I have been told it's atypical of people of my calibre, so it wouldn't make a difference if I was deaf or hearing.

So, don't fool yourself that what the experts are doing is not an experiment. In a nutshell, it is.
 
shel90 said:
I am sorry but look at post #136. If people want to put all the blame on Jillio for "attacking" Callum's mom, prior to #136 no evidence of that until Jillio was attacked. What gives?

You and your cohorts need to take responsibility for the attacks as well. To blame us for everything, but when you all do the same is wrong.

Jillio CRITICIZES the audists views that was evidence in this thread. One being... "deaf people cant catch up with their peers if they dont have CI", among other comments.

Then, yes, it got personal but she is not the only one responsible. Others are too so stop pointing one finger at her. Point the other fingers at the others as well even the ones who share your views.
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Don't worry about Hohtopics, he's PMSing again.
 
shel90 said:
LOL..not just him but the others who are blaming Jillio for everything as well.
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The others are to be expected but hohtopics is pmsing all over the forum. it's sad.

It doesnt make sense to me, generally if he was truly happy with who he was he wouldn't be so bitter here.
 
posts from hell said:
The others are to be expected but hohtopics is pmsing all over the forum. it's sad.

It doesnt make sense to me, generally if he was truly happy with who he was he wouldn't be so bitter here.
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Who knows?
 
posts from hell said:
The others are to be expected but hohtopics is pmsing all over the forum. it's sad.

It doesnt make sense to me, generally if he was truly happy with who he was he wouldn't be so bitter here.
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The same could be said for everyone who comes in here, if they were truly happy with who they were they wouldn't be so bitter in here. Just turning the table here for effect, if you get my drift.

Saying the word "bitter" so much around here as I keep seeing them every so often I think it's a word many are haphazardly throwing it around just for effect for everyone to see to be used against other people. The problem is we are not in that person's shoe. Either we can lend an ear or not to hear him or her out.

I can only think of one person who does that to essentially anyone who doesn't agree for whatever reasons is doing the "PMSing all over the forum." Just when you think menopause should've ended a long time ago and a chance to wise up and enjoy the years ahead, there it goes again. Which is why I used the pads equivalent in AD as a prevention measure so I won't need to see such mess on screen. Other than that I see this place as a forum for people to express their opinions and emotions. And I think it's hard to separate the two in many cases here. We each have our own opinion of each other, good or bad.
 
kokonut said:
The same could be said for everyone who comes in here, if they were truly happy with who they were they wouldn't be so bitter in here. Just turning the table here for effect, if you get my drift.

Saying the word "bitter" so much around here as I keep seeing them every so often I think it's a word many are haphazardly throwing it around just for effect for everyone to see to be used against other people. The problem is we are not in that person's shoe. Either we can lend an ear or not to hear him or her out.

I can only think of one person who does that to essentially anyone who doesn't agree for whatever reasons is doing the "PMSing all over the forum." Just when you think menopause should've ended a long time ago and a chance to wise up and enjoy the years ahead, there it goes again. Which is why I used the pads equivalent in AD as a prevention measure so I won't need to see such mess on screen. Other than that I see this place as a forum for people to express their opinions and emotions. And I think it's hard to separate the two in many cases here. We each have our own opinion of each other, good or bad.
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Koko, you've been away a bit too long. :) And I find some of your comments in this post humorous too.
 
Fortunately, Calum's got well-informed parents who are providing him with supported opportunities to sign, to access sound, to interact and learn with deaf and hearing alike in an environment filled with resources specific to his needs. For those who claim to support a full-toolbox, deaf-specific education with peers, visual support for learning, and a family that is eager to adapt to the learning/language needs of a deaf child, I'd think you might find Calum's situation a picture-perfect example of the ideal, rather than something to disparage as "experimentation" or based in audist thinking.

My child's ongoing experience as a deaf child differs enormously from that which anyone here encountered in the past, and so will Calum's experience differ from Li's, but if you do pop back in, Calum's Mom, I wish you so much happiness as well as the same satisfaction we've had in finding a brilliant bilingual (sign and spoken languages) academic environment tailored to my daughter's needs and filled with peers and empowering role models, and the delight of watching a child bloom with fluent and full access to language -- in our case, thanks to a wonderful ASL-immersive environment and amazing bilateral CIs, the little one is happy, healthy, and age-appropriately fluent in sign and spoken languages.
 
Calumsmom- I hope you'll stick around. Don't take any of the posts personally. I think it's a rite of passage when you're a hearing parent on this forum to be called audist , and to scare you into "what your child will say 15 years from now." you're not the first parent to experience that, and unfortunately I doubt you'll be the last.
 
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Hohtopics said:
In another word, you're admitting that it's your goal, to try to make those that don't have Deaf beliefs leave? That is keep on attacking and criticizing them to the point that it becomes uncomfortable for them and they'll leave, right?
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Not admitting anything of the kind. Again, you misinterpret. Is that intentional?
 
CSign said:
Calumsmom- I hope you'll stick around. Don't take any of the posts personally. I think it's a rite of passage when you're a hearing parent on this forum to be called audist , and to scare you into "what your child will say 15 years from now." you're not the first parent to experience that, and unfortunately I doubt you'll be the last.
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can you show me where she was called an audist?
 
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