Baby born deaf will get 'bionic ears' that could help him hear and talk

sallylou said:
She's just another hearie who will use this forum for her own agenda and them disappear. Happens all of the time.
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But they really hate the hearies that refuse to leave.:giggle:
 
The school I intend Calum to go to is indeed mainstream. However, I agree with you completely, and wouldn't want him to go to a school where he was the only one who was deaf. The school seems wonderful, with lots of support, and has teachers of the deaf as well as the rooms being acoustically treated. There are around 3 or 4 deaf children in every classroom. If Calum doesn't do at all well with his CI's then there is a school for the deaf 10 miles away where I will take him. I will be guided by Calum
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We call that a magnet program, and those can and do rock!!!!! And it DOES rock that you're being child centered with educational placement! I actually think MANY dhh kids can benifit strongly from those types of programs. jillo, at least she's not one of THOSE parents who do auditory verbal therapy and insist that all their dhh kid needs is AVT and mainstream schools and they will NEVER learn ASL. I do get what you're saying.....it does seem like oral only has gotten very auditory verbal "mainstream and immerse them completely in the hearing world as soon as possible." God, even CID and Clarke are dying ..which is super sad, b/c although oral only (with no ASL) is bad, at least the teachers at a deaf school are more knowledgble about how to teach dhh kids, and there's a community. Just a word of advice Callumsmum......maybe for preschool/early intervention and kindergarten it might be better for him to attend the Deaf School. Deaf Schools do early intervention/early childhood extraordinarly well. I know of several audilogically hoh kids who have gone or who are going to Schools for the Deaf for early childhood.
Oh jillo, back on a previous page you said that there's no way for the listening systems to atrophy b/c deaf kids aren't wired nereologically for hearing......I wonder if that could explain the results in kids with CIs.....I remember reading that only about 10% of dhh kids are born dhh. I really wonder if a lot of the good CI users are kids who lost their hearing after being able to hear for a month or more.
 
sallylou said:
People need a place to belong--to be with other people like themselves. Allow Deaf people to be with other Deaf people. It's not rejection of hearing people. It's having the security of a true peer group.

When I started going deaf, I searched for people who had the same experience. These people truly understand what it's like to lose hearing. I don't reject hearing people. I just need some time with people like me. I feel a special affinity with the Deaf/HOH community. I don't have to pick between the Deaf world versus the hearing world. I'm the bridge between them.
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That is exactly what I indicated pointing out that I did not have the ASL knowledge and being with the Deaf people who signs in the old days.

I had some hard of hearing and deaf classmates in our special education program with no Deaf Program for special accommodations that we need in both elementary and high school. We all struggled and really wanted to have ASL in our lives. We all wanted to have ASL interpreters in our hearing classes but no, the principal won't allowed us to have them. Reading lips is not always accurate when we tried to communicated back then. Some of us make up signs so that we can understand what we were saying to each other.

It is like forcing us to be with the hearing students and hearing people all of the times like 24 hours a day every single day. This was what make us frustrated trying to understand hearing people like that.

Where are the Deaf people when we need them for communication with Sign Language like ASL? That is something we strive for and hunger for to be with Deaf people who signs, not only-oral program. Also what about jobs that won't let us have accommodations to work with in the company or in the business? That is why it is not fair. Look at Sue Thomas that she had the accommodations with special devices to communicate like phone with computer or hand-held smartphone if there ever was one back then. She was allowed to have the accommodations to work in the FBI. That was really great. I like that what she did and she signs (Wow, I love it). :cool2:

Also I want to point out that I was not being disrespectful or cruel. Just give you the reality of being blunt to face the truth of why deaf and hard of hearing people had to put up with hearing society. :ty:
 
sallylou said:
For Calum's mom:

I ask sincerely, why are you here? Are you here solely to defend yourself? That's not necessary. Are you interested in joining our community here? If so, your attitude is going to have to change.
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:hmm: the woman comes in here while at the begining of a journey with her son, gets attacked by the usual suspects and now she is the one that needs to change her attitude. Interesting. Yeah maybe she fought back....who wouldn't.

It's really sad how many new (and old) members we lose here thanks to a few bullies
 
TXgolfer said:
:hmm: the woman comes in here while at the begining of a journey with her son, gets attacked by the usual suspects and now she is the one that needs to change her attitude. Interesting. Yeah maybe she fought back....who wouldn't.

It's really sad how many new (and old) members we lose here thanks to a few bullies
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Go back and see why she came here. At the beginning
 
TXGolfer, I don't know where you get your entitlement to judge me. I have my own opinions and I'm free to express them here.

I was appalled at the way that the mom addressed the elders on this forum. No respect for age and experience. She totally dismissed them. Of course, I'm going to stick up for them. The old "things are different" just doesn't cut it. People are basically the same no matter the time span.
 
sallylou said:
TXGolfer, I don't know where you get your entitlement to judge me. I have my own opinions and I'm free to express them here.

I was appalled at the way that the mom addressed the elders on this forum. No respect for age and experience. She totally dismissed them. Of course, I'm going to stick up for them. The old "things are different" just doesn't cut it. People are basically the same no matter the time span.
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I wasn't judging you....not really even talking about you.

I see nothing wrong with her attitude. People get tired of the "negative absolutes" like "the child will never hear". We don't know that....who knows what might come along in the next 5,10 20 years.

As for her attacking elders..... One might try to look at it from the new members perspective..... She doesn't know who is an elder and who isn't. All she can see is that she came here during a very emotional time with alot of decisions on her mind and people come at her with "your son will never hear" to me that is a horrible way to treat a new member......I don't care how long you have been here.

But again..... I wasn't judging you.
 
TXgolfer said:
:hmm: the woman comes in here while at the begining of a journey with her son, gets attacked by the usual suspects and now she is the one that needs to change her attitude. Interesting. Yeah maybe she fought back....who wouldn't.

It's really sad how many new (and old) members we lose here thanks to a few bullies
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What bullies? You need to think before you open your yap. :roll:

Okay, I said that before I saw your newest post. That is better, lol.
When a new member who is a mother of a deaf infant tries to tell us that the baby's life will be different than ours, of course we raise our eyebrows simply because we know it to be a false statement, learned through experience. If the mother gets all huffy and insists that what she says is the absolute truth, the fight is on, of course. No biggie. We see that happen here all the time, and I sincerely hope she comes back.
 
Bottesini said:
Go back and see why she came here. At the beginning
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:dunno: Bott. I have alot of respect for you and your opinion but post 16 looks pretty friendly to me. Post 19 does not. Especially when it was the first post to a new member. Granted for the poster of post 19 it was pretty mild. Rude none the less. IMO
 
Bebonang has a photograph avatar and spoke of her experience. It's obvious that she's not a young person. No offense, Bebonang because you're lovely. :wave:
 
Beowulf said:
What bullies? You need to think before you open your yap. :roll:

Okay, I said that before I saw your newest post. That is better, lol.
When a new member who is a mother of a deaf infant tries to tell us that the baby's life will be different than ours, of course we raise our eyebrows simply because we know it to be a false statement, learned through experience. If the mother gets all huffy and insists that what she says is the absolute truth, the fight is on, of course. No biggie. We see that happen here all the time, and I sincerely hope she comes back.
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:cool2: see you are pretty polite too. I mean we never agree but I never have a problem with what you say either. That's the way it should be.

Same thing with me and new liberal StS We joke alot....almost never agree
 
Jillio, just take easy on Calums mum.

I'm respecting Calums mum's decision about what she has best choice for his son and I don't know about what they will doing in future but I do know that learn the oral language with CI can be successful at early childhood. I admit that I do have a bad reaction to some parents that made their deaf children to learn the oral language only, especially one young deaf teen that I met at walmart and her parent told her to not use sign language in anywhere, that left communication with me as out of option, however she is used to be hardcore ASL until her parent forced to got CI when she was 9 years old and force to learn the oral language so quickly but she was extremely struggle in mainstream school that lead to her parent to sent her to ASD and let her to abandon the oral lessons and CI whatever she wishes. I was in similar situation but not extreme as her parent.

Good luck with your son and don't be too late to do oral lesson for your son, also it is your choice and we aren't interested to force your son to use ASL because we know that your son can change it in eventually. It isn't too late to learn the ASL and they are less frustrated, unlike oral language does.
 
TXgolfer said:
:dunno: Bott. I have alot of respect for you and your opinion but post 16 looks pretty friendly to me. Post 19 does not. Especially when it was the first post to a new member. Granted for the poster of post 19 it was pretty mild. Rude none the less. IMO
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I am glad you do have a good opinion of me. But it does look like someone coming in to tell us how we should be perceiving the news article.

And as I hope you know, I really try to get along with everyone..

But if you analyze this thread and break it down, you will notice that the main people who think the new technology will make such a difference are late deafened.

I don't mean that to be a criticism but you guys started out as hearing and your brain started to develop that way from day one.

Even you ask most of the kids here with CI and they usually tell you that they are not like "hearing, listening people" .

I don't think people who started out as hearing can understand the long process deaf people, whether they can benefit from technology or not, go through to acheive.
 
sallylou said:
Bebonang has a photograph avatar and spoke of her experience. It's obvious that she's not a young person. No offense, Bebonang because you're lovely. :wave:
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She looks 25 in that photo to me....
 
Foxrac said:
Jillio, just take easy on Calums mum.

I'm respecting Calums mum's decision about what she has best choice for his son and I don't know about what they will doing in future but I do know that learn the oral language with CI can be successful at early childhood. I admit that I do have a bad reaction to some parents that made their deaf children to learn the oral language only, especially one young deaf teen that I met at walmart and her parent told her to not use sign language in anywhere, that left communication with me as out of option, however she is used to be hardcore ASL until her parent forced to got CI when she was 9 years old and force to learn the oral language so quickly but she was extremely struggle in mainstream school that lead to her parent to sent her to ASD and let her to abandon the oral lessons and CI whatever she wishes. I was in similar situation but not extreme as her parent.

Good luck with your son and don't be too late to do oral lesson for your son, also it is your choice and we aren't interested to force your son to use ASL because we know that your son can change it in eventually. It isn't too late to learn the ASL and they are less frustrated, unlike oral language does.
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I wish her best luck for her child. I know she tries to do what is best for him. That's fine with me.

But a whole of arguing is not pretty here... Moving on is probably better option to go...
 
This thread really, really grew today and I had a lot to catch up on. It's gotten a little intense for me, so I think I will just sit back and read.
 
Bottesini said:
I am glad you do have a good opinion of me. But it does look like someone coming in to tell us how we should be perceiving the news article.

And as I hope you know, I really try to get along with everyone..

But if you analyze this thread and break it down, you will notice that the main people who think the new technology will make suchth CI and they usually tell you that they are not like "hearing, listening people" .

I don't think people who started out as hearing can understand the long process deaf people, whether they can benefit from technology or not, go through to acheive.
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(note I had to delete some of your quote in order to respond by phone)

I totally see your point. It is the LDs generally that seem to believe in tech a little more and I agree with your reason why. No way I could ever understand what it was like to be a deaf child.

I see both sides on this..... My first post was a simple "good luck to you and your son". I think there are ways of saying "hey, being deaf isn't so bad" without trying to crush their spirit that's all. Even PFH handled it nicely in his first post. I have never seen the meanness from you either.
 
I hope that Calum's mom is off doing what she really needs to do--experience the joys of rearing a son. Speaking of which, my son just crawled into my bed. I'm going to get some sweet boy snuggles.
 
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