Baby born deaf will get 'bionic ears' that could help him hear and talk

Calums mum said:
You seem to be saying that if I give my child CI's and put him in a mainstream school, no matter what other support there is, the likelihood is he's going to resent me for it, not do well educationally and have psychological issues growing up. I really hope that you don't work with other parents like me, as this attitude is no help at all.
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Nail, head, bang, as they say. Per the bolded bit, you got it.
 
Calums mum said:
So what would your solution be then jillio to resolve all the psychosocial effects of children born deaf?

90% of deaf babies are born to hearing parents. These parents need confidence to raise their children, not being told that we're going to screw them up, unless we make decisions that fit in with your way of seeing things. No matter what anyone says on here it seems that you can only see your point of view, even when someone who is deaf is telling you they don't agree with you.

You seem to be saying that if I give my child CI's and put him in a mainstream school, no matter what other support there is, the likelihood is he's going to resent me for it, not do well educationally and have psychological issues growing up. I really hope that you don't work with other parents like me, as this attitude is no help at all.
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The key is parental support. I was given a hearing aid at age 2 and never resented my parents decision. It was a boon to my overall positive development. They made the right decision only because my mother had to inform herself everything about deafness, hearing aids, the education and so forth at a time when the internet never existed.
 
Calums mum said:
So what would your solution be then jillio to resolve all the psychosocial effects of children born deaf?

90% of deaf babies are born to hearing parents. These parents need confidence to raise their children, not being told that we're going to screw them up, unless we make decisions that fit in with your way of seeing things. No matter what anyone says on here it seems that you can only see your point of view, even when someone who is deaf is telling you they don't agree with you.

You seem to be saying that if I give my child CI's and put him in a mainstream school, no matter what other support there is, the likelihood is he's going to resent me for it, not do well educationally and have psychological issues growing up. I really hope that you don't work with other parents like me, as this attitude is no help at all.
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If you allow your child to learn BSL and interact with other deaf children, then you are giving him opportunities to both worlds instead of just restricting him to the hearing world. You say that you are using BSL with him and had him meet other deaf children, right?

Many of us are concerned about the idea that if a child is implanted, they wont need additional support being mainstreamed and that continues to be a big problem for many children and we dont want that.
 
Calums mum said:
So what would your solution be then jillio to resolve all the psychosocial effects of children born deaf?

90% of deaf babies are born to hearing parents. These parents need confidence to raise their children, not being told that we're going to screw them up, unless we make decisions that fit in with your way of seeing things. No matter what anyone says on here it seems that you can only see your point of view, even when someone who is deaf is telling you they don't agree with you.

You seem to be saying that if I give my child CI's and put him in a mainstream school, no matter what other support there is, the likelihood is he's going to resent me for it, not do well educationally and have psychological issues growing up. I really hope that you don't work with other parents like me, as this attitude is no help at all.
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I didn't say anthing about resentment, although it is possible. It has occurred many times prior.

The best way to prevent the delays in psychosocial development and successful resolution of the various tasks in the stages is to be aware of the psychosocial impacts of deafness on the individual. Be aware....listen to what deaf people tell you about their experiences as a deaf child. Stop trying to find differences between their experience and the one you believe your son will have just because he has a CI. The CI is the only difference. And it is not a big enough difference to do away with all of the sameness in experience.

The only ones that are saying I am wrong is a late deafened HOH woman who has no idea what it is to be a deaf child or how that deafness impacts the developmental tasks I am referring to, and an HOH man who has strived all of his life to be as hearing as he possibly can be. The D/deaf agree with me. There is a reason for that.
 
kokonut said:
The key is parental support. I was given a hearing aid at age 2 and never resented my parents decision. It was a boon to my overall positive development. They made the right decision only because my mother had to inform herself everything about deafness, hearing aids, the education and so forth at a time when the internet never existed.
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And still you exhibit many of the issues I am referring to.
 
shel90 said:
Not what I was saying. You missed my point. You say Jillio is so negative...ok if she is so negative then what's so positive about your thread about disadvantages of being deaf? Isnt that on a negative note?

If you are going to criticize someone for being negative, then maybe you should practice what you preach. Just sayin'
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Stating the disadvantages does not necessarily mean it's on a negative note. Nothing gloomy about it, either. I've already said that there are disadvantages and advantages on being hearing, deaf, hoh, and Deaf. And pointing out the disadvantages on being deaf was the topic of my thread hoping to see what people say about those disadvantages .
 
Beach girl said:
Nail, head, bang, as they say. Per the bolded bit, you got it.
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Actually, I do work with parents like calum's mum, and am quite successful at doing so. I also work with children whose parent's attitudes are much closer to your own, and their children are very grateful that I am there for them, as their parents have exhibited such a lack of empathy and understanding all of their lives that they have the need to see a professional to counteract the negative effects such attiudes have created for them.

Stick to the issues of the late deafnened. That is what you know. And those issues are worlds away from the developmental issues concerning deaf infants and children, not to mention adolescents. Your continual need to discount the special issues surrounding these children is indicative of nothing more that extreme self centeredness and a need to believe that becuase it has been your experience, it is the experience of all.
 
kokonut said:
Stating the disadvantages does not necessarily mean it's on a negative note. Nothing gloomy about it, either. I've already said that there are disadvantages and advantages on being hearing, deaf, hoh, and Deaf. And pointing out the disadvantages on being deaf was the topic of my thread hoping to see what people say about those disadvantages .
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Yeah, we know. Stop with the self promotion.
 
kokonut said:
Stating the disadvantages does not necessarily mean it's on a negative note. Nothing gloomy about it, either. I've already said that there are disadvantages and advantages on being hearing, deaf, hoh, and Deaf. And pointing out the disadvantages on being deaf was the topic of my thread hoping to see what people say about those disadvantages .
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It is still about "can't" which is negative itself.

No need to justify your thread. YOu are entitled to create it and I dont have a problem with it personally. My problem is when one criticizes someone as being this way when they have done the same.
 
jillio said:
And there are more that can't be held up as that poster child you worship.
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And those are the ones who have truly suffered and those who really need our attention in changing the attitudes about deaf children in the educational system so this problem doesnt continue. Ignoring it by saying that many were successful doesnt help them at all. In fact, I think it makes it worse.
 
shel90 said:
It is still about "can't" which is negative itself.

No need to justify your thread. YOu are entitled to create it and I dont have a problem with it personally. My problem is when one criticizes someone as being this way when they have done the same.
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Um, saying "can't" and stating "disadvantages" are not necessarily one and the same thing. And it doesn't always mean it's a negative thing, too. Just that it's a fact in many cases.
 
shel90 said:
And those are the ones who have truly suffered and those who really need our attention in changing the attitudes about deaf children in the educational system so this problem doesnt continue. Ignoring it by saying that many were successful doesnt help them at all. In fact, I think it makes it worse.
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Exactly. And the sad fact of the matter is, there is more likelihood of a deaf child being one of the ones that you and I see on a daily basis than the poster child paraded in the media for advertising purposes. I understand that parents want everything to be the best for their child. But in order for that to happen, they have to consider all of the issues involved. Leading them to believe that this is just a matter of a child being able to hear better is misleading, and the kids are the ones who suffer.
 
kokonut said:
Um, saying "can't" and stating "disadvantages" are not necessarily one and the same thing. And it doesn't always mean it's a negative thing, too. Just that it's a fact in many cases.
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So offer solutions to those disadvantages.
 
jillio said:
Where did you purchase that crystal ball of yours?

Even with all of his mum's "plans", she is leaving out consideration of the very things that create the problems for deaf kids.
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It's you that's always saying that those that are not taking the Deaf route are the ones that's going to fail. So, where's yours?
 
jillio said:
I didn't say anthing about resentment, although it is possible. It has occurred many times prior.

The best way to prevent the delays in psychosocial development and successful resolution of the various tasks in the stages is to be aware of the psychosocial impacts of deafness on the individual. Be aware....listen to what deaf people tell you about their experiences as a deaf child. Stop trying to find differences between their experience and the one you believe your son will have just because he has a CI. The CI is the only difference. And it is not a big enough difference to do away with all of the sameness in experience.

The only ones that are saying I am wrong is a late deafened HOH woman who has no idea what it is to be a deaf child or how that deafness impacts the developmental tasks I am referring to, and an HOH man who has strived all of his life to be as hearing as he possibly can be. The D/deaf agree with me. There is a reason for that.
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I'm deaf. I was born deaf. And I'm another that don't agree with you and...?
 
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