Baby born deaf will get 'bionic ears' that could help him hear and talk

I gave an example, of myself and my own life. Kokonut gave examples, of people who at first feared the stigma of using hearing aids, got over it and got aids for themselves, and re-joined their social lives.

I'm sure neither Kokonut, nor Babyblue, nor I, are saying that technology "always" helps or always works in every circumstance. Clearly it doesn't; it's not an answer to everything.

We're arguing the reverse, that it's way too strong a generalization to say it "never" helps. That's what we're saying is "not true."

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Shows that hearing aids do help bring back many of their social lives. In this instance, a new fangle implantable hearing aid technology. This is a piece of technology I love to have. Natural sound. Imagine that. I'll wait until I have enough money or that insurance is willing to pay a good chunk of it.
 
ahhh Erik Erikson...




I do not feel any of those things. Are you saying all D/deaf people feel that?

Erik Erikson was referring to his studies done on hearing children. Deaf children are capable of completing specific developmental stages...they simply do so at generally, a later date than the time table applied to hearing children. That in and of itself, is a psychosocial implication of deafness. Later completion means that they are consistently behind their hearing peers when they do not have the advantage of D/deaf mentors and peers to help guide that development in regard to deafness.

As well, Erikson's developmental theories apply across the lifespan. So you would also have to look at the stages following this particular stage.
 
When someone has asked you not to call them by an affectionate name, and you continue to do so, is that an example of your being a well-adjusted person?

That's actually harassment, in case you didn't know.

:D

You didn't ask. You ordered.
 
I edited my post so you can see what it refers to.

Just proof that technology has indeed improved to the point of nearly being miraculous in of itself. I don't think anybody would be dumb enough to prefer a 1950's hearing aid over a current, technologically advanced hearing aid.
 
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Shows that hearing aids do help bring back many of their social lives. In this instance, a new fangle implantable hearing aid technology. This is a piece of technology I love to have. Natural sound. Imagine that. I'll wait until I have enough money or that insurance is willing to pay a good chunk of it.

:bowlol: You're not serious! A commercial from a hearing aid company?:laugh2:
 
Just proof that technology has indeed improved to the point of nearly miraculous in of itself. I don't think anybody would be dumb enough to prefer a 1950's hearing aid over a current, technologically advanced hearing aid.

Obviously you're unaware of the steampunk and retro subcultures.

Unless you're implying intellectuals are dumb, and only the uneducated have enough commonsense?
 
Erik Erikson was referring to his studies done on hearing children. Deaf children are capable of completing specific developmental stages...they simply do so at generally, a later date than the time table applied to hearing children. That in and of itself, is a psychosocial implication of deafness. Later completion means that they are consistently behind their hearing peers when they do not have the advantage of D/deaf mentors and peers to help guide that development in regard to deafness.




Deafness is an effect that you think that can cause psychosocial implications. Ones that fails to achieve that have the self doubt, guilt etc.


So hearing aids and devices may help them prevent those psychosocial implications. Why deprive them of that?
 
Deafness is an effect that you think that can cause psychosocial implications. Ones that fails to achieve that have the self doubt, guilt etc.


So hearing aids and devices may help them prevent those psychosocial implications. Why deprive them of that?

No, I am saying that there are psychosocial implications inherent to being deaf in a hearing world. You are talking about specific developmental stages when you cite Erikson's theories.
 
Just proof that technology has indeed improved to the point of nearly being miraculous in of itself. I don't think anybody would be dumb enough to prefer a 1950's hearing aid over a current, technologically advanced hearing aid.

Some don't need one at all.:cool2: And still manage to live completely satsifying lives.
 
Obviously you're unaware of the steampunk and retro subcultures.

Unless you're implying intellectuals are dumb, and only the uneducated have enough commonsense?

I'm stating the fact that the technology of hearing aids has advanced dramatically that I don't think anybody would be dumb enough to choose a 1950s era hearing aid or for that matter a 1930s one (if you had the chance to look at the hearing aid museum, that is).
 
Soo. My question is. A deaf person should stay deaf to help their social emotional state. Depriving them of hearing aids and being able to hear to a certain extent?

I wear my hearing aids everyday to hear what is going on. Yes I do not hear EVERYTHING but I hear enough to know what is being said and what is going on. Throwing me out in the hearing world not hearing at all, would be more harmful to me social emotionally. But that is me... It may be different for others. I am content with my hearing aids, and will continue to use the technology available to help me hear. With out guilt, doubt, or shame.
 
It seems that there are quite a few people who look at being able to hear equals to having a successful life.

Glad that you hearing gave you successful lives but it still doesnt solve the problem of many deaf children falling behind in mainstreamed programs.
 
Esteem Commercial

Shows that hearing aids do help bring back many of their social lives. In this instance, a new fangle implantable hearing aid technology. This is a piece of technology I love to have. Natural sound. Imagine that. I'll wait until I have enough money or that insurance is willing to pay a good chunk of it.

Cool. I have heard about it. How soon do you plan to get one? I know some people who would like to hear right away therefore they would have done it so soon and have to be billed, negotiate with the company about paying $$ monthly.
 
Soo. My question is. A deaf person should stay deaf to help their social emotional state. Depriving them of hearing aids and being able to hear to a certain extent?

I wear my hearing aids everyday to hear what is going on. Yes I do not hear EVERYTHING but I hear enough to know what is being said and what is going on. Throwing me out in the hearing world not hearing at all, would be more harmful to me social emotionally. But that is me... It may be different for others. I am content with my hearing aids, and will continue to use the technology available to help me hear. With out guilt, doubt, or shame.

That is not what I am saying at all. I am saying there are issues that are not addressed by simply putting CI on a deaf child, or an HA on a deaf child. It isn't about deprivation, unless you consider the deprivation that occurs when a child is implanted and restricted to an oral only environment with no contact with deaf adults.
 
No, I am saying that there are psychosocial implications inherent to being deaf in a hearing world. You are talking about specific developmental stages when you cite Erikson's theories.

The specific stage I am talking about is the psychosocial stage.. the social emotional stage, The stage that you stated are damaged due to a child due to deafness because they are left behind from their peers. That is how I am interpreting what you are saying. You stated a CI or a device will not help them with that... I think it will.
 
Soo. My question is. A deaf person should stay deaf to help their social emotional state. Depriving them of hearing aids and being able to hear to a certain extent?

I wear my hearing aids everyday to hear what is going on. Yes I do not hear EVERYTHING but I hear enough to know what is being said and what is going on. Throwing me out in the hearing world not hearing at all, would be more harmful to me social emotionally. But that is me... It may be different for others. I am content with my hearing aids, and will continue to use the technology available to help me hear. With out guilt, doubt, or shame.

Exactly. My hearing aid has actually allowed me to be more socially outgoing with my hearing friends and even co-workers because it allows me to hear what they are saying and for me to interact with them. Heck, I even joined in a Friday night guitar, violin, and piano(me) band playing session. That would not have been possible without my hearing aid. Attending Scott Joplin ragtime festivals listening, conversing with ragtimers, and playing my own piece is another good example. Lots and lots of examples of how hearing aids play a huge role on socialization.
 
The specific stage I am talking about is the psychosocial stage.. the social emotional stage, The stage that you stated are damaged due to a child due to deafness because they are left behind from their peers. That is how I am interpreting what you are saying. You stated a CI or a device will not help them with that... I think it will.

All of Erikson's stages are psychosocial. They occur at different life stages, but all are concerned with psychosocial development. You are referring to one specific stage in psychosocial development. The one you listed is the 3rd stage: initiative vs guilt. Successful completion of this stage leads to initiative, unsuccessful completion leads to guilt. The success or failure to complete one stage impacts completion of the subsequent stage, and therefore, one must backtrack to complete that which was not completed at the appropriate developmental period.
 
That is not what I am saying at all. I am saying there are issues that are not addressed by simply putting CI on a deaf child, or an HA on a deaf child. It isn't about deprivation, unless you consider the deprivation that occurs when a child is implanted and restricted to an oral only environment with no contact with deaf adults.


Which is not at all what's going to happen to Callum, according to his mum's description of her plans, so what's your beef?
 
That is not what I am saying at all. I am saying there are issues that are not addressed by simply putting CI on a deaf child, or an HA on a deaf child. It isn't about deprivation, unless you consider the deprivation that occurs when a child is implanted and restricted to an oral only environment with no contact with deaf adults.

I do think it is deprivation to put a deaf child in a oral only setting. With out ASL.

I just do not think it is a taboo to have a deaf child implanted.
 
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