Baby born deaf will get 'bionic ears' that could help him hear and talk

Hohtopics said:
Bottesini said:
You may find that a lot of us old deaf people who went through the mainstream feel a lot like Bebonang.
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Yes, but don't forget things were different back then, 40, 50 or 60 years ago than they are now. For starters, deaf children weren't hearing as good generally as they do now.
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I, quite sincerely, want you to show us evidence of what you've just stated above.
 
Beach girl said:
You made a blanket statement that "technology has never once been able to remove the psychosocial issues connected to deafness."

That is just plain not true.
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Psychobabble. Many late deafened or those with high frequency hearing loss (a good example) who refuse to wear a hearing aid because of the stigma fear of wearing one miss out so much with their friends that they gradually become more isolated. Once they wear a hearing aid will they suddenly realize just how much they missed out on the conversations with their friends and families. And see them get their social life back. I've seen this happened.
 
Jane B. said:
Jillo, if I remember correctly you are in the United States. I just checked the first post in this thread and believe this family is in the United Kingdom as the money was in Pounds and the location names seem to fit that as well.

There is bound to be differences as to how ANYTHING is handled in different countries.

You also seem to be so quick to condemm anything other than your way of thinking.
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Jane -

I've also seen a few psychological researches on the Deaf - A lot of the issues are striking similar anywhere on the planet no matter the language use.

If the world was as different as you try to put it - the Deaf citizens of the let's say UK, China, Japan, Africa, and America probably wouldn't have the desire to get together, but they do. :hmm:
 
Beach girl said:
You made a blanket statement that "technology has never once been able to remove the psychosocial issues connected to deafness."

That is just plain not true.
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Can you show me where that is not true?

I can show you many stories where it is true and still rampant, nullifying your statement.
 
kokonut said:
Psychobabble. Many late deafened or those with high frequency hearing loss (a good example) who refuse to wear a hearing aid because of the stigma fear of wearing one miss out so much with their friends that they gradually become more isolated. Once they wear a hearing aid will they suddenly realize just how much they missed out on the conversations with their friends and families. And see them get their social life back. I've seen this happened.
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Thanks for supporting what I said. This post if chock full of evidence of the psychosocial issues connected with deafness.
 
Beach girl said:
You made a blanket statement that "technology has never once been able to remove the psychosocial issues connected to deafness."

That is just plain not true.
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I disagree. Back in the 70s, my parents and my oral program used the latest technology so I could keep up with the mainstream. But because I had no support services other than a once weekly meeting with a teacher who worked with deaf children, it was difficult to keep up in the mainstream and I had to read everything in sight to make up for what I missed in the mainstream.

Just two years ago, I learned of a deaf child that my PT had worked with in the past. (I was in rehab due to a severe infection) She told me that the boy never was able to take to his CI and he wouldn't wear it. Now if that's not a clear and cut case of technology not being able to help, I don't know what is.

Hearing aids and CIs help but it will still be hard to keep up with people in crowded situations. I will grant that many cases are not as extreme as the case I cited. I don't know ci children but I do know adults who were implanted as children and many of them tell me the same thing I just told you about mainstream.

Hence my skepticism on the wonders of technology re deafness.
 
posts from hell said:
Jane -

I've also seen a few psychological researches on the Deaf - A lot of the issues are striking similar anywhere on the planet no matter the language use.

If the world was as different as you try to put it - the Deaf citizens of the let's say UK, China, Japan, Africa, and America probably wouldn't have the desire to get together, but they do. :hmm:
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Which says a lot. The deafness and what Deaf individuals share on a fundamental, needs fulfilling level overcomes any other cultural differences around them.
 
I wear hearing aids and yes the technology has gotten better. We went from analog to digital. I do hear better with the digital aids. So technology is helping us hear better. :)
 
jillio said:
Yes, dear, it is true and your posts are supporting that. Koko's are, as well.
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Not your "dear," never will be, so knock it off.

Your idea of a well-adjusted deaf person is far, far different from mine.
 
Babyblue said:
I wear hearing aids and yes the technology has gotten better. We went from analog to digital. I do hear better with the digital aids. So technology is helping us hear better. :)
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It is helping you hear better. Is it removing all of the psychosocial consequences of being deaf, or is it creating situations where accommodation provision has gotten better?
 
posts from hell said:
Can you show me where that is not true?

I can show you many stories where it is true and still rampant, nullifying your statement.
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I gave an example, of myself and my own life. Kokonut gave examples, of people who at first feared the stigma of using hearing aids, got over it and got aids for themselves, and re-joined their social lives.

I'm sure neither Kokonut, nor Babyblue, nor I, are saying that technology "always" helps or always works in every circumstance. Clearly it doesn't; it's not an answer to everything.

We're arguing the reverse, that it's way too strong a generalization to say it "never" helps. That's what we're saying is "not true."
 
Bottesini said:
:lol: Now all we need is for DD to drop in and suggest HLAA.
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Nothing wrong with HLAA. In fact, I've been to a few of them. You have a mix of people who sign, those who speak and not know sign, some do both, some are born with hearing loss while others are late deafened. A great group of people to interact and be friends with.
 
jillio said:
It is helping you hear better. Is it removing all of the psychosocial consequences of being deaf, or is it creating situations where accommodation provision has gotten better?
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ahhh Erik Erikson...

Children who are successful at this stage feel capable and able to lead others. Those who fail to acquire these skills are left with a sense of guilt, self-doubt and lack of initiative
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I do not feel any of those things. Are you saying all D/deaf people feel that?
 
Beach girl said:
I gave an example, of myself and my own life. Kokonut gave examples, of people who at first feared the stigma of using hearing aids, got over it and got aids for themselves, and re-joined their social lives.

I'm sure neither Kokonut, nor Babyblue, nor I, are saying that technology "always" helps or always works in every circumstance. Clearly it doesn't; it's not an answer to everything.

We're arguing the reverse, that it's way too strong a generalization to say it "never" helps. That's what we're saying is "not true."
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Neither one of those are examples of technology removing the psycosocial effects of deafness. In fact, they are perfect illustrations that it doesn't.
 
jillio said:
Quite obviously, my dear.:D
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When someone has asked you not to call them by an affectionate name, and you continue to do so, is that an example of your being a well-adjusted person?

That's actually harassment, in case you didn't know.
 
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