Arizona governor signs immigration bill

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Steinhauer said:
Obama lied to you. He passed healthcare reform BEFORE granting amnesty to illegals in order to make the "budget" work.

When he passes amnesty for illegals YOU wil be required to pay for criminal's healthcare coverage. If YOU do not, you will be fined and/or imprisoned.

btw, there is absolutely no "civil right" to enter the US illegally.
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did he pass the amnesty for illegals?

btw - we're already paying for healthcare coverage for American criminals including politicians.
 
Jiro said:
did he pass the amnesty for illegals?

btw - we're already paying for healthcare coverage for American criminals including politicians.
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Yes, I agree, the criminal element also includes politicians. :giggle:

Obama passed healthcare reform and submitted his "budget" FIRST, because if he passed amnesty for illegals first, the budget would not have worked.
 
Steinhauer said:
Yes, I agree, the criminal element also includes politicians. :giggle:

Obama passed healthcare reform and submitted his "budget" FIRST, because if he passed amnesty for illegals first, the budget would not have worked.
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so... he never granted amnesty to illegals, right?
 
kokonut said:
A red herring. This is about how illegal aliens take up our resources, break laws, murder, rob and harass American citizens, introduce more crime, bring drugs in, increase our taxes, take away jobs from those who are here legally or are citizens and so on.
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I've seen American citizens do all that to each other; never had a run in with anyone foreign born, legal or not.

kokonut said:
You are saying "Mexicans" but I am saying "illegal aliens" which is anybody though their is a preponderance of illegal Hispanics than other ethnic groups. Not about racism but about following the law. I don't mind if they come here legally whether to become a citizen or work here using work visas. The anger is about the federal govt lack of committment to help control the illegal immigration problem. They've been notorious in dragging their feet and use political correctness for whatever reason. And don't give states the tools they need to combat this problem. So, that's what Arizona is doing right now. Yet, we have people who'll defend illegal aliens even if it means more murders, crime, higher taxes, less resources, the erosion of liberty of citizens and so on.
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You don't "say" Mexicans because that would make it obvious that you don't mean WASP looking people. It would also be obvious no one is proposing building this huge Berlin wall across the Canadian border. The people who would be stopped and harassed the most by the authorities would be "South of the Border" looking people.

And perhaps they are dragging their feet because they, like many of us here, do not see this huge horrible problem you keep talking about. We did have a serious problem for a time when Castro sent all of Cuba's criminal element to the U.S. along with honest refugees. U.S. law enforcement seems to have met the challenge and no one even talks about it any more.
 
Jiro said:
not happy about this. there are better ways to combat against illegal immigration rather than giving more authority and potentially abusive power to police officers.
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I have to say you could be right about this one.
 
Berry said:
I've seen American citizens do all that to each other; never had a run in with anyone foreign born, legal or not.



You don't "say" Mexicans because that would make it obvious that you don't mean WASP looking people. It would also be obvious no one is proposing building this huge Berlin wall across the Canadian border. The people who would be stopped and harassed the most by the authorities would be "South of the Border" looking people.

And perhaps they are dragging their feet because they, like many of us here, do not see this huge horrible problem you keep talking about. We did have a serious problem for a time when Castro sent all of Cuba's criminal element to the U.S. along with honest refugees. U.S. law enforcement seems to have met the challenge and no one even talks about it any more.
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:gpost:
 
Let me get this straight .... Obama considers it a "civil right" to enter the US illegally?
 
Steinhauer said:
Let me get this straight .... Obama considers it a "civil right" to enter the US illegally?
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you prefer that the illegals don't get civil rights?
 
Berry said:
I've seen American citizens do all that to each other; never had a run in with anyone foreign born, legal or not.



You don't "say" Mexicans because that would make it obvious that you don't mean WASP looking people. It would also be obvious no one is proposing building this huge Berlin wall across the Canadian border. The people who would be stopped and harassed the most by the authorities would be "South of the Border" looking people.

And perhaps they are dragging their feet because they, like many of us here, do not see this huge horrible problem you keep talking about. We did have a serious problem for a time when Castro sent all of Cuba's criminal element to the U.S. along with honest refugees. U.S. law enforcement seems to have met the challenge and no one even talks about it any more.
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Excellent post.
 
Ah comon...

Why are you spinning foxrac's words? He's obviously referring to the division of powers. He's saying that illegal immigration should be handled by agencies dedicated to handling immigration, not by agencies that are only meant to handle civil disorders.
 
Steinhauer said:
Do you think it is a "civil right" to commit a crime?
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let's answer my question first. do you prefer that the illegals do not get civil rights once they entered the country illegally?
 
Jiro said:
let's answer my question first. do you prefer that the illegals do not get civil rights once they entered the country illegally?
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nice Jiro, I asked a question first, you answered a question with a question. I answered your question with a question and will answer your question with yet another question.

Do you think it is a civil right to enter the US illegally?
 
Steinhauer said:
nice Jiro, I asked a question first, you answered a question with a question. I answered your question with a question and will answer your question with yet another question.

Do you think it is a civil right to enter the US illegally?
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unfortunately - your question makes no sense at all. take a look at it again. does it make any sense to you? My question is a much more coherent form.
 
and plus - you didn't answer my question yet in my post #203 - so... he never granted amnesty to illegals, right?
 
Jiro said:
unfortunately - your question makes no sense at all. take a look at it again. does it make any sense to you? My question is a much more coherent form.
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Still didn't answer the question.
 
Steinhauer said:
Still didn't answer the question.
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how can I answer your question if it doesn't make any sense at all? Exactly how is it civil rights to enter the country illegally? Please use your critical thinking. I suppose that your non-answer to my questions is your inability to come up with sound argument.
 
Jiro said:
and plus - you didn't answer my question yet in my post #203 - so... he never granted amnesty to illegals, right?
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What exactly are you trying to imply? Obama said Congress should pass a bill on the national level making illegal immigrants legal.

That, my friend, is amnesty. No, it hasn't happened .... yet.
 
Jiro said:
how can I answer your question if it doesn't make any sense at all? Exactly how is it civil rights to enter the country illegally? Please use your critical thinking. I suppose that your non-answer to my questions is your inability to come up with sound argument.
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So, is it a "civil right" to enter the US illegally or not?

Its a simple yes or no answer. Not complicated at all.
 
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