Arizona Governor Signs Additional Controversial Bill

[darkdog]

so your view is the only one that makes sense? and that any other views are nonsensical to you even though it makes sense?

2 words... Apple. Sauce.

Seriously, my response there has about as much relevance as "jingoism". I don't call views nonsensical just because I disagree with them. I call views nonsensical when they're nonsense. If you could explain what you meant by "jingoism" in more than one word, that might help a lot.

they WON'T?

Not in any meaningful way.

the current law (before the new immigration law) already exists to allow state government to enforce federal laws.

OK, so we now agree on this point.

yes we are. wisdom and legality go hand in hand.

Only if you're a legislator trying to write good law or if you're a citizen debating whether a given policy is a good idea or not. However, if you're going to argue that it's illegal, as you have, you can't argue that by saying what a bad idea it is. That makes me think you're either incapable of separating wisdom and legality or you can't defend your assertion so you argue about wisdom as a distraction.

hence - a federal directive by President Bush

Good on him. He decided to deal with the problem by having his justice department issue enforcement guidelines. Even better than that, the Arizona law specifically forbids racial discrimination in law. Sure, an errant officer could ignore the law in Arizona, but an errant federal officer could ignore the justice department guidelines. I think a state law's a bit more serious than a justice department guideline.

sure why not?

So since you no longer care to defend your original assertion, I guess this means we can now put this whole "illegal" thing to rest. Nice doing business with you.

 

[kokonut]

Good posting, DD.

Have you met Bob Andweave at all?

 

[Jiro]

Good posting, DD.

Have you met Bob Andweave at all?

I have. seems like a nice guy. gave him a brofist.

 

[Steinhauer]

just 1 more small question for you - what about Ted Kaczynski?

Did Ted Kaczynski scream Allah Akbar as he flew a plane into a building resulting in the deaths of over 3,000 people?

What about shooting U.S. Armed Forces Personnel as he screamed Allah is Great!?

Did Ted Kaczynski write emails to a recruiter for Al Qaeda?

Was Ted Kaczynski trying to convert his patients to Islam while he spoke how evil the U.S. was?

Just curious .....

 

[Jiro]

Did Ted Kaczynski scream Allah Akbar as he flew a plane into a building resulting in the deaths of over 3,000 people?

What about shooting U.S. Armed Forces Personnel as he screamed Allah is Great!?

Did Ted Kaczynski write emails to a recruiter for Al Qaeda?

Was Ted Kaczynski trying to convert his patients to Islam while he spoke how evil the U.S. was?

Just curious .....

Maybe I missed the news or something. Since when any reference to "Allah Akbar" or Al Qaeda is the only criteria to being labeled as a terrorist?

 

[Steinhauer]

Maybe I missed the news or something. Since when any reference to "Allah Akbar" or Al Qaeda is the only criteria to being labeled as a terrorist?

Ah ... good point ........

 

[Jiro]

so I ask again - what about Ted Kaczynski? in your opinion - is he a terrorist or not?

 

[TXgolfer]

so I ask again - what about Ted Kaczynski? in your opinion - is he a terrorist or not?

No he is an inmate

 

[Steinhauer]

so I ask again - what about Ted Kaczynski? in your opinion - is he a terrorist or not?

Did he go on a reign of terror during the Bush administration?

relevance to your prior question ????

 

[Jiro]

Did he go on a reign of terror during the Bush administration?

relevance to your prior question ????

but you answered my question for 3 people (which didn't happen during Bush Administration) - Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, and Ted Bundy.

As you answered before - Tim McVeigh and Eric Rudolph are terrorists but Ted Bundy was a nutter and a serial killer.

so how about Ted Kaczynski?

 

[Steinhauer]

but you answered my question for 3 people (which didn't happen during Bush Administration) - Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, and Ted Bundy.

As you answered before - Tim McVeigh and Eric Rudolph are terrorists but Ted Bundy was a nutter and a serial killer.

so how about Ted Kaczynski?

Did Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph or Nidal Hasan terrorize Americans during the Bush administration?

 

[Jiro]

Did Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph or Nidal Hasan terrorize Americans during the Bush administration?

how about we answer my question first? Is Ted Kaczynski a terrorist or not? I'm not sure why you're avoiding.

 

[Steinhauer]

how about we answer my question first? Is Ted Kaczynski a terrorist or not? I'm not sure why you're avoiding.

Not avoiding, just not sure which of your questions you want me to answer ..... you asked if Bush was lying about terrorist attacks on U.S. soil after 9/11 (Ted Kaczynski was before 9/11, not after).

 

[Jiro]

Not avoiding, just not sure which of your questions you want me to answer .....

3 questions that you never answered -

Is Ted Kaczynski a terrorist or not?
was Hasan an official member of Al Qaeda?
was Hasan ordered by Al Qaeda to attack?

you asked if Bush was lying about terrorist attacks on U.S. soil after 9/11 (Ted Kaczynski was before 9/11, not after).

ah... nice try but no that's not what I said about Ted Kaczynski and Bush. nope.

Take a look at my post #235 and post #240 below where I listed the ONLY incidents that occurred during Bush Administration.

I knew you were gonna ask that. here's one for starter -

Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Trolley Square shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
U.S.: Fort Dix Attack Plot Suspects Promoting Terror in Jail - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com
TSA: Information on Plot to Attack John F. Kennedy Airport

and too many more to list...

so did Bush lie that there was no terrorist attack on American soil since 9/11?

Congress does not have a legal authority to declare one as enemy combatant. Only the President does.

Knoxville Unitarian Universalist church shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Trolley Square shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

so what about them? Are they terrorists or not?

and then you started to go into different direction at post #251 by talking about Timothy McVeigh, Ted Bundy, etc. so shall I have answers to my 3 questions, yes?

 

[rockdrummer]

From another POV.

If you had tickets to a sports event, concert, Disneyland, or on an
airplane, and when you got to your assigned seat, and someone else was
in that seat, what would you do? You would call for a person in charge
of ticket checking and have the person in your seat removed. You would
be properly asked to show your ticket, and you would gladly and
proudly do so, for you have bought and paid for that seat. The person
in your seat would also be asked for a ticket, and they would not be
able to produce one. They would be called "gate crashers" and they
would be properly removed.

Now in this huge stadium called the USA we have had millions of gate
crashers. We have been asking security to check for tickets and remove
the gate crashers. We have been asking security to have better
controls in checking at the door. We have asked security to lock the
back doors. Security has failed us. They are still looking the other
way. They are afraid to ask to see the tickets. Many people say there
is unlimited seating, and whether there is or not, no one should be
allowed in for free while the rest of us pay full price!

In section AZ, of Stadium USA, we have had enough of the failures of
Security. We have decided to do our own ticket checking, and properly
remove those who do not have tickets. Now it seems very strange to me
that so many people in the other 49 sections, and even many in our own
section do not want tickets checked, or even be asked to show their
ticket! Even the head of Security is chastising us, while not doing
his own job which he has sworn to do.

My own ticket has been bought and paid for so I am going to proudly
show it when asked to do so. I have a right to my seat, and I want the
gate crashers to be asked to show their tickets too. The only reason
that I can imagine anyone objecting to being asked for their ticket is
that they are in favor of gate crashing, and all of the illegal
activities that go with it. Such as drug smuggling, gang wars, murder,
human smuggling for profit, and many more illegal and inhumane acts
that we are trying to prevent with our new legislation. Is that what I
am hearing from all of the protesters such as Phoenix Mayor Gordon, US
Rep. Grijalva, even President Obama? If you are not in favor of
showing tickets,(proof of citizenship, passport, green card, or other
legal document) when asked, as I would proudly do, then you must be
condoning those illegal activities.

Tom Moody
United States citizen

 

[cdaigle430]

amazing... just amazing.... can this governor be any more bigot? Do you know what this mean? It means Governor is abusing her power by censoring all historical events relating to mistreatment of minorities by Americans.

This means - the discussion of MLK History, Japanese Internment Camps in US, and Native Indians being given with blankets infected with typhus is banned. I'm not surprised about this disgusting bigotry. Arizona has long boycotted against MLK Day being recognized as national holiday.

Jan Brewer - You disgust me.

Did you actually read the Bill? Why are you making speculations you can't prove? Are you a "Fearmonger"?

 

[kokonut]

Funny how people easily get upset when states decide to follow Federal laws.

 

[Jiro]

Funny how people easily get upset when states decide to follow Federal laws.

no. Arizona went further.

 

[Jiro]

Did you actually read the Bill? Why are you making speculations you can't prove? Are you a "Fearmonger"?

yes I did and it's broad as hell.

 

[rockdrummer]

yes I did and it's broad as hell.

What would you suggest to address the problem. How would your bill read?