Arizona Governor Signs Additional Controversial Bill

[jillio]

Funny how people easily get upset when states decide to follow Federal laws.

States don't decide to follow Federal Law. States are compelled to follow Federal Law.:roll: Which is exactly why this whole proposal is redundant and subject to scrutiny.

 

[kokonut]

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[Jiro]

What would you suggest to address the problem. How would your bill read?

I wouldn't make this kind of ridiculous xenophobic bill but I would sign bill that English is NJ's official language

 

[Jiro]

Illegal immigration not to blame for woes

The world today is filled with big, important issues, from climate change to oil spills to dishonest stockbrokers. Each produces stimulating discussion and a wide range of views. But there is one topic that creates louder and angrier debate than any of the others: illegal immigration.
Many of those who want to end illegal immigration are so vocal about it, so angry, so stirred up, that one question naturally surfaces. Why?

Check out websites and chat rooms devoted to the tea party movement, President Obama's performance, Wall Street shenanigans, and immigration and you will find the loudest volume and the strongest venom attached to border policy. Check out sites devoted to topics such as education or health care or the economy and you'll find the discussion often veering off into an assault on undocumented workers and their families.

Listen to the anti-immigration voices on talk radio and you might conclude that illegal immigration is to blame for everything from unemployment to the high cost of everything. Certainly it is true that educating Spanish-speaking youngsters takes money away from educating non-Spanish-speaking youngsters. Providing health care to workers whose employers fail to provide health insurance does raise the cost of health care overall. Certainly there are valid reasons to be concerned about illegal immigration just as there are many rational and well-intentioned people on the seal-the-borders side of the immigration debate. There are many Latinos who want to slow the flow.

But many of the people who are framing this debate, too many, clearly hold views that reflect racism, xenophobia or both, judging by the amount of pure anger and emotion they have injected into the issue. This debate also has provided a forum for the simply angry — those who are angry at the government, angry about their economic status, angry about crime, angry at all sorts of things that have little to do with immigration. The resulting misimpression created by the racist and the angry is that undocumented immigrants are a bigger factor economic problem than the housing bubble, the global economic meltdown, ineffective government regulation and even the self-dealing on Wall Street.

Those with the loud voices want us to believe that illegal immigration costs more than the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They want to convince us that the "legal" residents of the United States are united in wanting rid of the illegal residents. They ignore the truth that agribusiness and other industries depend on a willing and relatively inexpensive work force from south of the border. If agribusiness truly wanted the border closed, it would have been closed long ago.

Another misimpression created by the angry ones is that today's immigrants resist assimilation and are inferior to the immigrants of the 18th and 19th centuries. They forget that the earlier immigrants arrived under much different circumstances. Most had no choice but to assimilate and quickly. For one thing, they couldn't just take a bus back home if it didn't work out.

It would be unfair to some thoughtful people to argue that racism is the sole explanation for the kind of overheated rhetoric that has now led one state, Arizona, to ostracize and stigmatize all Latinos, no matter their status. It is possible to be alarmed about aspects of illegal immigration and the potential balkanizing effects without being even the tiniest bit racist. These are important issues that deserve deep and careful examination.

But most anyone listening closely to the verbiage that led to Arizona's new laws would have to suspect that a large share of the anger and passion comes directly from the darker places in the human psyche.

The rest of us should do our best to tune out the racists who seek to dominate this debate. It will be a good thing if Arizona's wrongheaded approach forces a national dialogue over immigration reform, but those who choose to demonize those who come here for survival, who come here to feed their families, deserve only a very short turn at the podium.

Those who become overly agitated and irrational as the debate proceeds need to know that they are exposing themselves and their motivations. They should know that the rest of us will be trying to ignore them.

 

[rockdrummer]

I wouldn't make this kind of ridiculous xenophobic bill but I would sign bill that English is NJ's official language

And how exactly would that address the illegal immigrant problems?

 

[Jiro]

And how exactly would that address the illegal immigrant problems?

none. I'm not even going to enact any state bills relating to illegal immigration problem because it's a colossal waste of our limited resource and fund. What the hell am I supposed to do with illegals sitting in our jails, waiting for ICE to pick them up if the feds abdicates its duty? It's illegal to detain them indefinitely.

I would do extensive overhaul on NJ's drug law. It's costing us a tremendous amount of money. With the money and LEO resource freed up from futile drug war... it will be allocated to crackdown on employers/corporations/factories who knowingly hired illegals.

since we have one of the major docking ports (prone to smuggling and such)... those freed up resource and funds would be allocated to them to improve our state security and for national security.

 

[TXgolfer]

What the hell am I supposed to do with illegals sitting in our jails, waiting for ICE to pick them up if the feds abdicates its duty? It's illegal to detain them indefinitely.

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Easy....put them to work cleaning parks and highways. making license plates and hwy signs and house them in a tent in a fenced off area.

Or drive them to a border crossing and suggest they leave....if they refuse start honking and pointing

Or....tattoo illegal on their forehead and let them go. Kinda like they do with Polar Bears.

I am sure illegals are fleeing AZ like crazy now. A desirable result for most citizens there.

 

[Foxrac]

Easy....put them to work cleaning parks and highways. making license plates and hwy signs and house them in a tent in a fenced off area.

Or drive them to a border crossing and suggest they leave....if they refuse start honking and pointing

Or....tattoo illegal on their forehead and let them go. Kinda like they do with Polar Bears.

I am sure illegals are fleeing AZ like crazy now. A desirable result for most citizens there.

Yup, agreed.

Pass the immigration law as state is unnecessary and federal should take serious action to tackle the illegal immigrants.

 

[kokonut]

Nothing illegal about detaining them indefinitely while they are being processed for deportation. Of course, the sooner the better.

 

[Jiro]

Nothing illegal about detaining them indefinitely while they are being processed for deportation. Of course, the sooner the better.

yes it is illegal.

federal law allows local police to detain illegal aliens for 48 hours.

 

[rockdrummer]

yes it is illegal.

federal law allows local police to detain illegal aliens for 48 hours.

I am sure there is a reason for that. Also remember anybody in jail or detained is putting a burdon on our tax dollars. Who do you think pays for their meals and the heat and electricity and all of the other needs they have including medical.

 

[kokonut]

Read again and carefully what I said.

"Nothing illegal about detaining them indefinitely while they are being processed for deportation."

Ask yourself this question. Who has the authority to process illegal aliens for deportation outside of the United States? The answer is certainly NOT the local police. Think real hard. Don't strain yourself.

 

[jillio]

Read again and carefully what I said.

"Nothing illegal about detaining them indefinitely while they are being processed for deportation."

Ask yourself this question. Who has the authority to process illegal aliens for deportation outside of the United States? The answer is certainly NOT the local police. Think real hard. Don't strain yourself.

We allread your post. You are incorrect. Period.

 

[Jiro]

I am sure there is a reason for that. Also remember anybody in jail or detained is putting a burdon on our tax dollars. Who do you think pays for their meals and the heat and electricity and all of the other needs they have including medical.

better explain that to Arizona because that's what it's going to do - increasing the financial burden on state and federal government... which may lead to increasing the tax and/or budget cut from much-needed programs like tuition assistance and SSI/SSDI.