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Congress does not have a legal authority to declare one as enemy combatant. Only the President does.

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so what about them? Are they terrorists or not?

And the former President declared Al Qaeda, Taliban, Muslim extremists (not Muslims) and anyone promulgating the agenda of these organizations to be a terrorist and enemy of the United States.

Were any of the above individuals mentioned in your articles part of that definition?

(Hint: Nidal Hasan most definitely was).
 
And the former President declared Al Qaeda, Taliban, Muslim extremists (not Muslims) and anyone promulgating the agenda of these organizations to be a terrorist and enemy of the United States.

Were any of the above individuals mentioned in your articles part of that definition?

(Hint: Nidal Hasan most definitely was).

yes - Trolley Square shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

btw - to be exact.... President Bush said in his speech about War on Terror -

complete transcript
......The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself.

The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends. It is not our many Arab friends. Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists and every government that supports them.

Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda, but it does not end there.

It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated.
 
The terrorists are traitors to their own faith, trying, in effect, to hijack Islam itself.


Motive

Talović's aunt, Ajka Omerović, emerged briefly from the family's house to say relatives had no idea why the young man attacked so many strangers. She said that Talović had lived in the Sarajevo area as a child, and that his family moved to Utah from Bosnia. "He was such a good boy. I don't know what happened," she told Salt Lake City television station KSL-TV.[14]

In another KSL interview, with Omerović, and Talović's father, Suljo Talović, the two indicated concern that some outside influence might have induced Sulejman to commit the killings. "I think this [Sulejman] did. I think somebody (is) behind him, I think, but I am not sure...."[15]


connection?


In the light of the War on Terrorism some commentators, including John Gibson[17] and congressman Chris Cannon[18] suggested that Talović repeatedly shouted "Allahu Akbar" prior to his death, suggesting a religious motive, citing video of the rampage which supposedly captures Talović's religious shouting.[19] FBI agent Patrick Kiernan has stated that he has no reason to suspect terrorism.[20]. Ajka Omerović was quoted as saying, "We are Muslims, but we are not terrorists." [21].
 
I see you're playing coy here. Why don't I make it easier for you?

Sudden Jihad Syndrome (in North Carolina) :: Daniel Pipes - see any connection?

no, I don't see a connection or even a similarity to the Fort Hood shootings. Did this crazy driver send letters to a well known Islamist jihadist claiming they would do this well in advance?

i.e.

"Dear Mr. Terrorist Islamic Jihadist,

I plan to drive a large SUV through a crowded area full of infidels.

lovingly yours,

Menace to Society"


Major Hasan's E-Mail: 'I Can't Wait to Join You' in Afterlife - ABC News

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qa...-hood-killings-investigation/story?id=9045492
 
no, I don't see a connection or even a similarity to the Fort Hood shootings. Did this crazy driver send letters to a well known Islamist jihadist claiming they would do this well in advance?

i.e.

"Dear Mr. Terrorist Islamic Jihadist,

I plan to drive a large SUV through a crowded area full of infidels.

lovingly yours,

Menace to Society"


Major Hasan's E-Mail: 'I Can't Wait to Join You' in Afterlife - ABC News

Al Qaeda Recruiter New Focus in Fort Hood Killings Investigation - ABC News

and did Major Hasan have a solid regular contact with a known terrorist organization? acting on terrorist organization's order to attack?
 
and did Major Hasan have a solid regular contact with a known terrorist organization? acting on terrorist organization's order to attack?

Yes. He had consistent and regular contact with an Al-Qaeda recruiter.

Let me put it this way .... suppose a member of the Armed Forces sends an email to the Aryan Nation stating 100% agreement with the ideology of the Aryan nation. Suppose that individual then plans an attack on "non-whites" at a military installation or base. Suppose the Aryan Nation condones the attack.

Would you consider that person to be a white supremacist, or a lone gunman?
 
Yes. He had consistent and regular contact with an Al-Qaeda recruiter.

U.S. Knew of Suspect’s Tie to Radical Cleric
Counterterrorism and military officials said Monday night that the communications, first intercepted last December as part of an unrelated investigation, were consistent with a research project the psychiatrist was then conducting at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington on post-traumatic stress disorder.

“There was no indication that Major Hasan was planning an imminent attack at all, or that he was directed to do anything,” one senior investigator said. He and the other officials spoke on the condition of anonymity, saying the case was under investigation.

The officials said the Departments of Defense and Justice had decided Major Hasan would be prosecuted in a military court, an indication that investigators believe he acted alone. Government lawyers had said his case might be tried in civilian court if he were believed to have conspired with nonmilitary defendants.

In a statement, the Federal Bureau of Investigation said, “At this point, there is no information to indicate Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan had any co-conspirators or was part of a broader terrorist plot.” The statement concluded that “because the content of the communications was explainable by his research and nothing else was found,” investigators decided “that Major Hasan was not involved in terrorist activities or terrorist planning.”

Let me put it this way .... suppose a member of the Armed Forces sends an email to the Aryan Nation stating 100% agreement with the ideology of the Aryan nation. Suppose that individual then plans an attack on "non-whites" at a military installation or base. Suppose the Aryan Nation condones the attack.

Would you consider that person to be a white supremacist, or a lone gunman?
lone gunman. why? because based on your hypothetical post - he was not instructed by Aryan Nation nor acting on Aryan Nation's order to attack on non-white people at military installation or base. And he is not an officially-recognized member of Aryan Nation.

mind you - before you lose your head in Islamic-mumba-jumba.... look back at Reba's post #228 -

"Terrorism:
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons."

so why are Knoxville Unitarian Universalist killer and Trolley Square shooter not declared as terrorists since both of them used unlawful use of violence against people with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments for ideological or political reason?
 
U.S. Knew of Suspect’s Tie to Radical Cleric



lone gunman. why? because based on your hypothetical post - he was not instructed by Aryan Nation nor acting on Aryan Nation's order to attack on non-white people at military installation or base. And he is not an officially-recognized member of Aryan Nation.

mind you - before you lose your head in Islamic-mumba-jumba.... look back at Reba's post #228 -



so why are Knoxville Unitarian Universalist killer and Trolley Square shooter not declared as terrorists since both of them used unlawful use of violence against people with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments for ideological or political reason?

Did an Al-Qaeda recruiter condone the attack?


The answer is yes.


Did Hasan contact and have consistent correspondence with an Al-Qaeda recruiter?

The answer is yes.

Is the Al-Qaeda, by definition, a terrorist organization?

The answer is yes.

What was a member of the U.S. Army doing corresponding with the enemy of the United States?

.........
 
U.S. Knew of Suspect’s Tie to Radical Cleric



lone gunman. why? because based on your hypothetical post - he was not instructed by Aryan Nation nor acting on Aryan Nation's order to attack on non-white people at military installation or base. And he is not an officially-recognized member of Aryan Nation.

mind you - before you lose your head in Islamic-mumba-jumba.... look back at Reba's post #228 -



so why are Knoxville Unitarian Universalist killer and Trolley Square shooter not declared as terrorists since both of them used unlawful use of violence against people with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments for ideological or political reason?

That is a valid question and I will attempt an answer.


Timothy McVeigh = Terrorist

Ted Bundy = serial killer/nutter

Unitarian Universalist killer = nutter

Trolley Square = nutter

Hasan = terrorist

Eric Rudolph = terrorist
 
That is a valid question and I will attempt an answer.


Timothy McVeigh = Terrorist

Ted Bundy = serial killer/nutter

Unitarian Universalist killer = nutter

Trolley Square = nutter

Hasan = terrorist

Eric Rudolph = terrorist

what's your reasoning for each of them?
 
what's your reasoning for each of them?

Timothy McVeigh acted alone? ..... it is my opinion that he did not.

Eric Rudolph acted alone? .... it is my opinion that he did not.

Ted Bundy did act alone.

Trolley dude ... acted alone

Church guy .... acted alone.


Hasan ... acted alone with the blessing of the Al-Qaeda (so do many suicide bombers).

If it had not been for the emails that Hasan sent, I would have classified him as a nutter.
 
Timothy McVeigh acted alone? ..... it is my opinion that he did not.

Eric Rudolph acted alone? .... it is my opinion that he did not.

Ted Bundy did act alone.

Trolley dude ... acted alone

Church guy .... acted alone.


Hasan ... acted alone with the blessing of the Al-Qaeda (so do many suicide bombers).

If it had not been for the emails that Hasan sent, I would have classified him as a nutter.

:ty:

just 1 more small question for you - what about Ted Kaczynski?
 
"Terrorism:
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons."
dictionary.com
Then Ted Kazinski and Timothy McVie need to be included. I would consider what they did terrorist acts.
 
1 word for you - jingoism
One word for you- huh?

I've been busy scratching my head trying to figure out how jingoism is related to anything I've said. I finally concluded you probably just pulled a bad sounding word out of the dictionary and threw it out there. These questions I'm asking are probably questions you should be asking yourself to scrutinize your views before you toss them out there. If you can't think of an answer that actually makes sense, you may want to reconsider.

it's done in conjunction with FBI, ICE, etc. that's where our limited resource and manpower should focus on. take away 5 employers.... and 50 or 500 illegals will seek somewhere else.
I see. Get the federal government to cooperate on enforcing the border. That's why we have this problem in the first place- because they won't.

Still, even if that would be the wiser choice to make, others have pointed out that it's legal for the state governments to enforce federal laws, so where's the legal argument there?

so why give them more power to abuse?
Again, we're not talking wisdom, but legality. If the mere potential for racial profiling is enough to make a law unconstitutional, why wouldn't all police powers with the potential for abuse be unconstitutional?

or we can sit back and see which one Arizona will succumb to first - the financial burden or the ruling.
And avoid the hard work of having to actually articulate your original position- that the law is illegal?
 
One word for you- huh?

I've been busy scratching my head trying to figure out how jingoism is related to anything I've said. I finally concluded you probably just pulled a bad sounding word out of the dictionary and threw it out there. These questions I'm asking are probably questions you should be asking yourself to scrutinize your views before you toss them out there. If you can't think of an answer that actually makes sense, you may want to reconsider.
so your view is the only one that makes sense? and that any other views are nonsensical to you even though it makes sense?

I see. Get the federal government to cooperate on enforcing the border. That's why we have this problem in the first place- because they won't.
they WON'T?

Still, even if that would be the wiser choice to make, others have pointed out that it's legal for the state governments to enforce federal laws, so where's the legal argument there?
the current law (before the new immigration law) already exists to allow state government to enforce federal laws.

Again, we're not talking wisdom, but legality.
yes we are. wisdom and legality go hand in hand.

If the mere potential for racial profiling is enough to make a law unconstitutional, why wouldn't all police powers with the potential for abuse be unconstitutional?
hence - a federal directive by President Bush
“It's wrong, and we will end it in America. In so doing, we will not hinder the work of our nation's brave police officers. They protect us every day -- often at great risk. But by stopping the abuses of a few, we will add to the public confidence our police officers earn and deserve.''

And avoid the hard work of having to actually articulate your original position- that the law is illegal?
sure why not? :)
 
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