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Illegal immigrants are not my major concern.

Deny them from getting jobs are most efficient and they have no way to live in USA without any money.

as TXGolfer said - problem with that is some illegals were able to get the jobs despite of background check because they were using proper documents that don't belong to them.

Federal government has enacted Real ID Act (signed by Bush) that would help tackle these kind of problems but many states are opposed to it and have not started to adopt it. My state has already started to adopt it and it will come into effect as of next month. I've got until 2017 to change to it.

It's a start....
 
as TXGolfer said - problem with that is some illegals were able to get the jobs despite of background check because they were using proper documents that don't belong to them.

Federal government has enacted Real ID Act (signed by Bush) that would help tackle these kind of problems but many states are opposed to it and have not started to adopt it. My state has already started to adopt it and it will come into effect as of next month. I've got until 2017 to change to it.

It's a start....

Oh interesting, yup and it is start for states to change the law that require employers to use E-Verify. I have no problem with this, even Real ID Act too.
 
I wonder how big the business is of forging documents .... :hmm:

Did anyone ever find out how Obama's drunk driving uncle ever got a license?
 
well - just about every country has a law regarding illegals but the only difference is their prison. have you ever seen a foreign country's prison and what they do with prisoners? it's barbarous. I guess we should do same here too?

If someone is not a citizen of our country and they commit a crime, they should be deported. I'm all for immigration; legal immigration. It's really pretty simple... If you want to come to the United States, apply for residency and then become a citizen of this country.
 
If someone is not a citizen of our country and they commit a crime, they should be deported.
even for a misdemeanor crime? it's equivalent to arresting and imprisoning a driver just for speeding 5 mph over speed limit on school zone.

that's why feds abdicates its duty to take on trivial cases. it's no different from courts letting low-level punks go on probation instead of prison.

I'm all for immigration; legal immigration. It's really pretty simple... If you want to come to the United States, apply for residency and then become a citizen of this country.
that's not how it works to be a citizen. they cannot just simply come to America and then apply for residency. they'll need a family member who is an American citizen or permanent resident to vouch for them. it takes over 17 years just to become a citizen.

Beside, quite a significant of them do not intend to live in America though. They intend to work here for several years and then return home. Many foreigners here are either on work visa or student visa. As for illegals, well I hope our government will host a "Safe Surrender" program few times a year where non-violent illegals without criminal history can surrender themselves without a fear of deportation and get a work visa along with fines.

"Safe Surrender" program has been proven effective in major cities for various of issues such as non-violent fugitives with arrest warrants and those with warrants in exchange of leniency, illegal possession of firearms in exchange of gifts, et cetera.
 
even for a misdemeanor crime? it's equivalent to arresting and imprisoning a driver just for speeding 5 mph over speed limit on school zone.

that's why feds abdicates its duty to take on trivial cases. it's no different from courts letting low-level punks go on probation instead of prison.


that's not how it works to be a citizen. they cannot just simply come to America and then apply for residency. they'll need a family member who is an American citizen or permanent resident to vouch for them. it takes over 17 years just to become a citizen.

Beside, quite a significant of them do not intend to live in America though. They intend to work here for several years and then return home. Many foreigners here are either on work visa or student visa. As for illegals, well I hope our government will host a "Safe Surrender" program few times a year where non-violent illegals without criminal history can surrender themselves without a fear of deportation and get a work visa along with fines.

"Safe Surrender" program has been proven effective in major cities for various of issues such as non-violent fugitives with arrest warrants and those with warrants in exchange of leniency, illegal possession of firearms in exchange of gifts, et cetera.

Yes, even for a misdemeanor. And, whatever the process, however long, if a person wants to become a US citizen then they should go through that process. Illegal immigration SHOULD NOT be tolerated! If someone comes to this country and they can prove they were mistreated or tortured, then, they can apply for amnesty. But, otherwise, go through the process to become a citizen of the US if you want to enjoy the benefits of being a citizen
 
Yes, even for a misdemeanor. And, whatever the process, however long, if a person wants to become a US citizen then they should go through that process. Illegal immigration SHOULD NOT be tolerated! If someone comes to this country and they can prove they were mistreated or tortured, then, they can apply for amnesty. But, otherwise, go through the process to become a citizen of the US if you want to enjoy the benefits of being a citizen

yes that's fine but I think you're being unreasonable about being deported over misdemeanor thing. I don't think our taxpayers' money should be wasted on that.
 
lol you can't deport them if they're here legally even if they don't intend to be citizens.

I'm not talking about a legal immigrant, Jiro. I'm talking about an illegal immigrant. An illegal should be deported; no questions asked.
 
Deporting All Of America's Illegal Immigrants Would Cost A Whopping $285 Billion - Business Insider
With 19 debates and the State of the Union address behind us, we have heard a lot about immigration including President's call for immigration reform, Gingrich's immigration plan focusing on deporting criminal illegal immigrants, Romney's newest plan of self deportation and a discussion about who wants to deport more grandmas.

Yet the question that remains unanswered is, what would it cost to deport an undocumented grandma?

A year ago, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) deputy director Kumar Kibble told Congress it costs about $12,500 to deport an undocumented immigrant.

However, a 2010 report by Center for American Progress and Rob Paral and Associates took a close look at all the budget appropriations for ICE and broke down the costs per person for each one of the four stages of deportation process: apprehension, detention, legal proceeding and transportation. The whopping cost of deportation per person that they came up with is $23,480.

The report states that ICE and US Customs and Borders Protection budgets have increased by 80% since 2005, amounting to $17.1 billion in FY2010. If US were to undertake a mass deportation campaign its cost over five years would be $285 billion, which "would mean new taxes of $922 for every man, woman, and child in our country. $5,100 fewer dollars for the education of every public and private school student from prekindergarten to the 12th grade."

Here is the breakdown of the $23,480 figure:

1. Apprehension: $18,310

ICE 2008 budget for apprehensions was $1.24 billion and financed 67,728 apprehensions. That comes out to $18,310 per one apprehension. In some cases, cost per apprehension can be less:

In one enforcement operation in May 2008, the federal government spent $5.2 million from preparation to follow-up costs on a raid at the Agriprocessors Inc. slaughterhouse in Postville, Iowa, which led to the detention of 389 mostly undocumented immigrant workers.

In that case, cost per apprehension was $13,368.

2. Detention: $3,355

It costs $99 per bed and $12.82 per personnel (guards) a day to detain a deportee. According to the report, ICE has 32,000 beds in 350 facilities operated by governments or private contractors and 15,300 spaces in community-cased supervision program. These numbers exclude expenses associated with leasing state and local jail facilities. Deportees are on average detained for 30 days, bringing the detention cost to an average $3,355 per deportee.

3. Legal Proceedings: $817

The 2008 appropriations for processing of undocumented immigrants were $238.32 million, which was applied to 291,781 legal proceedings. The $817 per deportee is the most conservative estimate considering it is calculated using the number of cases initiated, rather than number of cases completed, and considering the fact that in 2008, it took on average two proceedings to achieve one deportation.

4. Transportation: $1,000

In 2007, ICE Assistant Secretary Julie Myers estimated $1,000 per person transportation cost for deportees.The report cited the Office of the Federal Detention Trustee that reported per person transportation cost for federal detainees, including deportees, to be $999 in 2008, and projected a $1,190 per person cost for 2011. Most undocumented immigrants from Mexico are transported back across the border by bus. Others are transported by plane by the ICE Detention and Removal Operations Flight Operations Unit in partnership with the Justice Prisoner and Alien Transportation System, which transported almost 200,000 undocumented immigrants in 2008.

so.... deport them all anyway?
 
lol you can't deport them if they're here legally even if they don't intend to be citizens.
I have a question. If those non-citizens work here in America, would IRS have them pay taxes? If so, they don't have their own SSN since they are not US citizens so how do they pay taxes?
 
I have a question. If those non-citizens work here in America, would IRS have them pay taxes? If so, they don't have their own SSN since they are not US citizens so how do they pay taxes?

yes... part of their incomes are withheld for taxes.
 
yes... part of their incomes are withheld for taxes.
That would require them to have their SSN in order to pay taxes but they are not US citizens so they can't get SSN. I believe that only US citizens can get their own SSN. Correct me if I am wrong.
 
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