Arizona’s illegal-immigration law heads to Supreme Court. Will justices strike it dow

[Jiro]

If you are not afraid to be wrong then why can you admit you are wrong. Afterall I did prove you wrong back on the other threads.....dancing around to buy some time?

where specifically?

 

[rolling7]

where specifically?

Gingrich/money laundering
me/inciting a riot

 

[airportcop]

I believe in federalism on immigration issues, not statewide. The immigration system under federal is flawed and need to be reformed.

I agree that the federal system is flawed but give the states the power to fix it. It's cheaper and more effective.

 

[airportcop]

couldn't or wouldn't? and what was the exact reason?

Refused because they said that they had no housing provisions for the children. I have also been refused by them when I encountered an illegal since they supposedly had not broken any laws?! I was told that if I had a criminal charge that I should arrest them and then they could act. Hello, they are here illegally!

 

[Steinhauer]

Net Migration from Mexico Falls to Zero

 

[airportcop]

interesting comment I read somewhere -

(post was cleaned up with handful of F-words removed)

Jiro,

You are so sadly mistaken if you think that this is a Republican only issue. Democrats are just as guilty and have been busted as well! Get your facts straight before you post this biased garbage!

 

[Jiro]

Refused because they said that they had no housing provisions for the children.

ah... it's a very tricky issue when it comes to children. we certainly do not want to see any children getting harmed during detainment.

I have also been refused by them when I encountered an illegal since they supposedly had not broken any laws?! I was told that if I had a criminal charge that I should arrest them and then they could act. Hello, they are here illegally!

oh... but... as you stated in previous post - "As a police officer I took and oath to protect and defend the constitution of the US and uphold the laws in place."

then you should follow the laws. since you have nothing to charge them with... then the feds can't do anything about it.

 

[Steinhauer]

oh... but... as you stated in previous post - "As a police officer I took and oath to protect and defend the constitution of the US and uphold the laws in place."

then you should follow the laws. since you have nothing to charge them with... then the feds can't do anything about it.

The crime is obviously being here illegally. I know, I know ... who cares what the law says. Obviously Obama doesn't.

 

[Jiro]

Jiro,

You are so sadly mistaken if you think that this is a Republican only issue. Democrats are just as guilty and have been busted as well! Get your facts straight before you post this biased garbage!

no this is not a Republican-only issue. I'm just showing you a comical fallacy in Republican's argument about immigration issue. and yes Democrats too have a fallacy in their argument.

 

[rolling7]

The crime is obviously being here illegally. I know, I know ... who cares what the law says. Obviously Obama doesn't.

That is so obvious a person on Mars could see it.

 

[Jiro]

The crime is obviously being here illegally. I know, I know ... who cares what the law says. Obviously Obama doesn't.

How do you know that? after all.... everybody is presumed innocent until proven guilty. and the law clearly states that police officers can check for their immigration status if they're being charged with something else.

since these people that airportcop detained are not being criminally charged... then there's nothing they can do because it's equivalent to searching a suspect's house without a warrant.

Read airportcop's post again -

Refused because they said that they had no housing provisions for the children. I have also been refused by them when I encountered an illegal since they supposedly had not broken any laws?! I was told that if I had a criminal charge that I should arrest them and then they could act. Hello, they are here illegally!

clearly - the feds would step in and start deportation process if laws and protocols have been followed properly. until then.... their hands are tied unless you prefer that we break the laws to deport illegals.

 

[Steinhauer]

How do you know that? after all.... everybody is presumed innocent until proven guilty. and the law clearly states that police officers can check for their immigration status if they're being charged with something else.

since these people that airportcop detained are not being criminally charged... then there's nothing they can do because it's equivalent to searching a suspect's house without a warrant.

Read airportcop's post again -



clearly - the feds would step in and start deportation process if laws and protocols have been followed properly. until then.... their hands are tied unless you prefer that we break the laws to deport illegals.

The feds are breaking the law by not deporting known criminals. Being in the United States illegally is a criminal act.

Aiding and abetting criminals is also illegal.

 

[Foxrac]

The feds are breaking the law by not deporting known criminals. Being in the United States illegally is a criminal act.

Aiding and abetting criminals is also illegal.

I don't believe that any criminal that commit violent crime like rape, murder, assault, etc to be deported and they are deserved to be punished at prison before they serve their sentence so they can be deported.

The federal already deported numerous of immigrants who commit minor crime without sentence to prison in America.

 

[Foxrac]

Refused because they said that they had no housing provisions for the children. I have also been refused by them when I encountered an illegal since they supposedly had not broken any laws?! I was told that if I had a criminal charge that I should arrest them and then they could act. Hello, they are here illegally!

ICE isn't going into your hands, unless they are hands on their own, thorough.

It is up to immigration court to keep illegal immigrants whatever they wants.

 

[Jiro]

The feds are breaking the law by not deporting known criminals.

as airportcop stated... feds will start deportation process only after they have been arrested by police officers and criminally charged.

until then... everybody is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

Being in the United States illegally is a criminal act.

correct.

Aiding and abetting criminals is also illegal.

correct. that's why we penalize employers and arrest Coyotes and Snakeheads. We need to impose a much harsher penalty for employers.

 

[Foxrac]

as airportcop stated... feds will start deportation process only after they have been arrested by police officers and criminally charged.

until then... everybody is presumed innocent until proven guilty.


correct.


correct. that's why we penalize employers and arrest Coyotes and Snakeheads. We need to impose a much harsher penalty for employers.

I agree with all of you said.

 

[TXgolfer]

clearly - the feds would step in and start deportation process if laws and protocols have been followed properly. until then.... their hands are tied unless you prefer that we break the laws to deport illegals.

Really? You sure that is "clear" that they "will"

 

[Jiro]

Really? You sure that is "clear" that they "will"

I'm sure the feds will start a deportation process if they were criminally charged.
I'm sure the feds will abdicate its duty to deport them if they have a reason to reason like they're busy with high priority cases.
I'm sure the feds will prioritize on who to deport now and who to deport later (or not).

Are you sure that due to very limited resource and budgets, you still want the federal government to swamped with trivial cases when there are much more important cases to deal with such as powerful drug gang/cartel members, terrorists, etc whom have illegally entered this country?

Don't you agree it's much more cost effective to provide a work visa to illegals as well as issue fines if they have no criminal records so that they can start paying tax?

 

[Foxrac]

I'm not afraid to be wrong. Steinhauer is free to prove me wrong... only if he stops dancing around to buy some time, hoping that somebody else would jump in to save his hide

Your asshole techinque had changed my lifestyle so I'm not afraid to be wrong.

My life is getting more and more asshole now.

 

[TXgolfer]

I'm sure the feds will start a deportation process if they were criminally charged.
I'm sure the feds will abdicate its duty to deport them if they have a reason to reason like they're busy with high priority cases.
I'm sure the feds will prioritize on who to deport now and who to deport later (or not).

Are you sure that due to very limited resource and budgets, you still want the federal government to swamped with trivial cases when there are much more important cases to deal with such as powerful drug gang/cartel members, terrorists, etc whom have illegally entered this country?

Don't you agree it's much more cost effective to provide a work visa to illegals as well as issue fines if they have no criminal records so that they can start paying tax?

Ah, but you have states willing to accept this burden.