Are you Pro-Life or Pro-Choice?

[Angel]

Yupp... Reba is right... Parents DO have right to force their daughter/s to abort the baby if they are under the age of 18.

Im sorry but I respectfully disagree, I do not believe parents has the right to force their daughters to get an abortion because my parents did the same thing to my sister by forcing her to get an abortion, and I was the ONLY one that was against the idea and the whole experience has been a sad ordeal not only to my sister but to all of us, it did torn the family apart...

My father even admit that he made some bad choices in the past, and my sister forgave him and I'm sure we all made some bad choices in the past too because we believe we are doing what's best for our children but not once stop and think if this will effect our children emotionally and physically...It took my sister a long time to get over it, shes had nightmares of being in that abortion clinic...


The best way to handle this as a parents to love her, support her, be there for her after the baby is born you may change your mind or she might change hers and give her baby up for adoption...

That happened to my cousin's girlfriend. Her parents forced her to abort and refuse allow my cousin to see her, and her parents have been putting my cousin in the court many times trying to punish my cousin, but they always lost lost lost. Later my cousin and his girlfriend fed up and ran away to Missouri from Washington till his girlfriend became 18 then they came back. It was really disappoiment that they failed to save the baby from her parents..

I'm sorry to hear about your cousin, It is really sad to see cases like this, and where many young daughters have to hide their pregnancy from their parent because they fear of their parents' reaction and parents have to be prepared and remain calm to deal with issues like this, if they want their child to come up to them for anything and I always believe that a child's voice should be heard I expect parents to put their children before their beliefs, but in reality, this doesn’t always happen that way..It is always the children who suffers most.

 

[Angel]

Ah it is hard situation. As a mother if my daughter got pregnant or my son got a girl pregnant, I would not force either one of them to get abortions. I would tell my child how much I love her and my son and let them know that I am always there for them to help them and let them make their own desicion. But however I would want them to continue to finish high school and go to college. I would never force my child to do anything that exteme choice they can't handle. All I can do is give them my love and advice.

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[Cheri]

Im sorry but I respectfully disagree, I do not believe parents has the right to force their daughters to get an abortion because my parents did the same thing to my sister by forcing her to get an abortion, and I was the ONLY one that was against the idea and the whole experience has been a sad ordeal not only to my sister but to all of us, it did torn the family apart...

My father even admit that he made some bad choices in the past, and my sister forgave him and I'm sure we all made some bad choices in the past too because we believe we are doing what's best for our children but not once stop and think if this will effect our children emotionally and physically...It took my sister a long time to get over it, shes had nightmares of being in that abortion clinic...(

^ What she stated above is the entire truth, forcing abortion against the wishes of the pregnancy mother It's just beyond any more words I can say about how wrong is it and it is wrong.

Think about it, A parent drag a daughter out of the house, take her to an abortion clinic, putting her onto an operation room bed and injecting her with at least 3 shots so she would not feel much of pains but she'll be wide awake to see everything like I was, kills the unborn baby, put the unborn baby in a garbage bag and then throw in trash can-- a baby can be 4 to 9 months. My unborn baby was 5 months, sex of the unborn baby is unknown.

Now you tell me would you agree that parents has that right to force abortion on their daughters?

 

[Angel]

It's important to put condom on it before start sex with other, better than get unwanted pregnant.

Condoms are not 100% safe but if used properly and to double-check to be sure there's no damage to the condoms such as holes etc..And for birth control pills, it must be taken at the same time every day, without missing any doses..

 

[Foxrac]

Condoms are not 100% safe but if used properly and to double-check to be sure there's no damage to the condoms such as holes etc..And for birth control pills, it must be taken at the same time every day, without missing any doses..

Yup, I know that condom isn't 100% effective but it does give some benefits.

Varies of people can make mistake or accidently when usage of condom as well.

 

[Angel]

Yup, I know that condom isn't 100% effective but it does give some benefits.

Varies of people can make mistake or accidently when usage of condom as well.

Yep, I know someone in the past who did that, but only to find out that he used the same condom again with someone else..

I felt so bad for those two girls...

 

[Hwy99]

Im sorry but I respectfully disagree, I do not believe parents has the right to force their daughters to get an abortion because my parents did the same thing to my sister by forcing her to get an abortion, and I was the ONLY one that was against the idea and the whole experience has been a sad ordeal not only to my sister but to all of us, it did torn the family apart...

My father even admit that he made some bad choices in the past, and my sister forgave him and I'm sure we all made some bad choices in the past too because we believe we are doing what's best for our children but not once stop and think if this will effect our children emotionally and physically...It took my sister a long time to get over it, shes had nightmares of being in that abortion clinic...


The best way to handle this as a parents to love her, support her, be there for her after the baby is born you may change your mind or she might change hers and give her baby up for adoption...

Whoa, back up back up... I never said that I agree about parents forcing their children to abort the baby. I am just saying that the parents do have the rights, I didn't mean that I think that parents can have rights to force their children to abort, what I mean is that the parents have the right through the law, it's fact... I am with you totally, I am against parents force their children to abort..

Also I am sorry about your family situation... It's not easy to keep the baby, but as for respect, love, etc to the baby, the better thing to NOT abort. I understand your situation... It's not easy...

I'm sorry to hear about your cousin, It is really sad to see cases like this, and where many young daughters have to hide their pregnancy from their parent because they fear of their parents' reaction and parents have to be prepared and remain calm to deal with issues like this, if they want their child to come up to them for anything and I always believe that a child's voice should be heard I expect parents to put their children before their beliefs, but in reality, this doesn’t always happen that way..It is always the children who suffers most.

Exactly what you said.. My cousin and his girlfriend was scare, and her parents was just too much pressuring on my cousin and his girlfriend so they escape...

Also agreed with your last sentence, the children was the suffered the most...

^ What she stated above is the entire truth, forcing abortion against the wishes of the pregnancy mother It's just beyond any more words I can say about how wrong is it and it is wrong.

Think about it, A parent drag a daughter out of the house, take her to an abortion clinic, putting her onto an operation room bed and injecting her with at least 3 shots so she would not feel much of pains but she'll be wide awake to see everything like I was, kills the unborn baby, put the unborn baby in a garbage bag and then throw in trash can-- a baby can be 4 to 9 months. My unborn baby was 5 months, sex of the unborn baby is unknown.

Now you tell me would you agree that parents has that right to force abortion on their daughters?

Hold on.... Not again lol... I didn't mean through my opinion, I am against the abortion. What I mean when I said that parents do have rights to force their children to abort is through the law system, not my opinion...

Both to Angel and Cheri - I am sorry for the misunderstanding... I didn't expect you to have the wrong idea...

 

[Angel]

Whoa, back up back up... I never said that I agree about parents forcing their children to abort the baby. I am just saying that the parents do have the rights, I didn't mean that I think that parents can have rights to force their children to abort, what I mean is that the parents have the right through the law, it's fact... I am with you totally, I am against parents force their children to abort..

Umm I think you misunderstood my post hon, I meant "disagree" on this part where I quote it below And it has nothing to do with whether or not you agree on that...I already knew where you stand on "abortion"...

Yupp... Reba is right... Parents DO have right to force their daughter/s to abort the baby if they are under the age of 18

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Exactly what you said.. My cousin and his girlfriend was scare, and her parents was just too much pressuring on my cousin and his girlfriend so they escape...

Yeah, that's what happening to many young girls out there... I feel bad for your cousin, it's must been a sad experience for him to go through...

Both to Angel and Cheri - I am sorry for the misunderstanding... I didn't expect you to have the wrong idea...

Oh no, I understood you just fine, it seem I didn't make myself clear in my post..

 

[Cheri]

Hold on.... Not again lol... I didn't mean through my opinion, I am against the abortion. What I mean when I said that parents do have rights to force their children to abort is through the law system, not my opinion...

Both to Angel and Cheri - I am sorry for the misunderstanding... I didn't expect you to have the wrong idea...

No problem. I wasn't only speaking about your post, but others who thinks parents have that right to make a choice based on their personal reasons, I was only represents my view on how it is wrong to force abortion upon their daughters.

 

[GarnetTigerMom]

Condoms are not 100% safe but if used properly and to double-check to be sure there's no damage to the condoms such as holes etc..And for birth control pills, it must be taken at the same time every day, without missing any doses..

True in some cases about the birth control but it never really 100% full protection. There are so many different type of birth control pills some are strong and other are low dose can be weak. But one thing for sure that birth control won't protect you from STDs, HIV and aids. Even pregnancy can still happen with the pills because it happens to me.

 

[Angel]

True in some cases about the birth control but it never really 100% full protection. There are so many different type of birth control pills some are strong and other are low dose can be weak. But one thing for sure that birth control won't protect you from STDs, HIV and aids. Even pregnancy can still happen with the pills because it happens to me.

I dunno what to say on this one because I never used birth control pills, only what I know about them, and what would happened if they miss taken them..

I'm sorry that this had happened to you, I guess the doctor can only answer your question about the one you have taken, and why it didn't prevent you from getting pregnant....


Yes I'm very much aware that birth control does not prevent from STDS, aids etc...

 

[fredfam1]

One time I was waiting in line for my turn at the local
health clinic. I was watching a clerk as she came
out of the office and began to STAPLE condoms to
the bulliten board so people could have them for free!

I went to a manager and mentioned that those condoms
probably had holes in them now and shouldn't be passed
out. I never saw a manager move so fast. She grabbed
the clerk and they were out there pulling those off the
board so fast it would make your head spin! heeheee

 

[GarnetTigerMom]

I dunno what to say on this one because I never used birth control pills, only what I know about them, and what would happened if they miss taken them..

I'm sorry that this had happened to you, I guess the doctor can only answer your question about the one you have taken, and why it didn't prevent you from getting pregnant....

The pill I had was low dose but it was suppose to help control my heavy period and shrink the cyst. But even when I take the pills I still get very heavy period like 7 to 12 days since I was teenager. I have tried so many different bc pills and no of them help much. But it does put on weight from the pills and that not worth it. Now I stop taking pills when I found out I was pregnant because the pill can cause an unborn baby be deformed or lead to miscarriage. It happend to lots of my friends. Doctors told me nothing is really 110% works all the time. Some pills can cause weight gains, enlarge breasts, and changed in the skin. But when you are older, risk are heart attacks, blood clots, stroke, and high blood pressure even if you are a smoker it more higher the risk will be.

 

[Angel]

The pill I had was low dose but it was suppose to help control my heavy period and shrink the cyst. But even when I take the pills I still get very heavy period like 7 to 12 days since I was teenager. I have tried so many different bc pills and no of them help much. But it does put on weight from the pills and that not worth it. Now I stop taking pills when I found out I was pregnant because the pill can cause an unborn baby be deformed or lead to miscarriage. It happend to lots of my friends. Doctors told me nothing is really 110% works all the time. Some pills can cause weight gains, enlarge breasts, and changed in the skin. But when you are older, risk are heart attacks, blood clots, stroke, and high blood pressure even if you are a smoker it more higher the risk will be.

Wow, I'm sorry to hear that...I'm aware that some birth control does cause weight gain, it happened to a friend of mine too, but I dunno about blood clots or other things but ya know most medicines can cause side effects and foods too and sometimes their bodies are not able to use it properly but however the side effects usually are not severe and are not common, like for example, vaccine does not appear to cause any serious side effects but there are warnings of side effects and it does not mean vaccine is completely free of side effects..Some could have an allergic reaction to birth control, condoms, vaccines, medicines, food etc while few others don't...so I guess it's depends on how their body is able to handle it... but I agree with you there are some medicines or birth controls that may not help all but some..

I know I'm going way off the topic here, so my apology!...

 

[Angel]

One time I was waiting in line for my turn at the local
health clinic. I was watching a clerk as she came
out of the office and began to STAPLE condoms to
the bulliten board so people could have them for free!

I went to a manager and mentioned that those condoms
probably had holes in them now and shouldn't be passed
out. I never saw a manager move so fast. She grabbed
the clerk and they were out there pulling those off the
board so fast it would make your head spin! heeheee

, I wish I was there to see that, I'm glad you talked to the manager about that, you just saved thousands of unwanted pregnancy! way to go!!

 

[Liebling:-)))]

If a father refuses to pay child support or suddenly left his job and disappeared, the child support agency will try to obtain payments from the father's checks such as if he is receiving any government, employment assistance or tax refund and if he is caught or found from anyone he comes in contact with, they will send him a court order to force him to show up in court and explain why he avoid paying child support and if he fail to show up in court, then a warrant will be in place for his arrest, and either way, the case will still remains open and he will still owe back child support, they will continue to searching for him as long as he live and soon enough, he will run out of places to hide...

Yes, I know what you mean but it doesn´t alway solve anything because some are too clever and trick their social number and change their names to aviod for pay child support accord some of my American co-workers. They said that there´re common of dead beat dads did out of trick to aviod to pay child support.

Deadbeat dads



My German co-worker married to an American and produced together a child name *S*. They divorced when *S* were 4 years old. He paid child support regular thru Army organization and have visit rights until *S* was 18 years old. *S*´s father re-married and have twins. *S* visited his father & family in America for summer holiday every year. Everything goes well until he made a woman pregnant thru one night stand. Everything goes wrong so his 2nd wife divorced him and demand child support for their twins and also a lady, he was night stand with as well. He acheived hardly to pay child support to 3 different women who have his children (of course his stupid & fault). He already have 5 children from 2 previous marriage and women so he disappeared from US Army caserne and fake his name and social number to aviod for pay more child support. He began a new life and work under false name and social number. He can´t get passport to fly over to Germany because of this so he contacted with his 1st ex-wife (my German co-worker) via phone. He paid child support regular to my co-worker... she guess that *S* is his favorite son. He still don´t have passport so *S* is now 35 year s old and still contacted with his father in America time to time. His father produced 2 more children with his 3rd wife. *S* half brothers act the same as their father who disowned women with child support... No wonder, why they look up their father´s role. *S* father regretted very what he did to women in the past after look at his sons. Oh Well...

That´s why I learn from the examples from them.


I would not need dead beat dad for pay child support because I don´t want to create more problem with him and my child might look his role... No way... If he don´t want my child then is their LOSS.

And the mother can seek help from the government assistance for child support, if needed or she will have to work in order to take care of her child (ren)...I've seen some poor single mothers who stuggle by trying to provide foods, shelter for their children, that's why I have a lot of respect for single mothers who is doing all they can to make sure their children are happy and well taken care of....

Yes that´s mainly important to know that single mother seek help from government assistance to take care of child.

I have no respect for dead beat fathers who just walk away and not paying his share of responsibility as a parent.....

Yes I second that.

These children are innocent and it's OUR job to make sure they're feed and have a roof over their heads

Exactly!!! Why should I stress with my ex for not pay child support for my child and create more problem with him... ? F**K him and consider my child and future. It´s my job to take care of my child, not stress/hassle with ex, court, blah blah blah... then I will end to have ouccchhh headache from that ex... If he don´t want to do anything with my child then forget him... and depend Government´s support because it´s safety and stress-free.

 

[Reba]

:jaw:, It's almost like you're actually saying that the parents has a right to force their daughters to get an abortions just because they have a personal reason for it?...

I just hope I'm reading this wrong...

I'm saying that there is no way I can know all the different reasons that those parents use to make their decisions. How can I know? I don't know any of those people, and I can't read their minds. They (these unknown people) have reasons (not known to me). I don't know any of those hypothetical people.

I can't answer for people whom I've never even met.

There is no way that I'm saying they have the right to force their daughters to have abortions just for personal reasons.

 

[Liebling:-)))]

Ah it is hard situation. As a mother if my daughter got pregnant or my son got a girl pregnant, I would not force either one of them to get abortions. I would tell my child how much I love her and my son and let them know that I am always there for them to help them and let them make their own desicion. But however I would want them to continue to finish high school and go to college. I would never force my child to do anything that exteme choice they can't handle. All I can do is give them my love and advice.

Yes I would do the same.

 

[Reba]

Is the articles from media, many thread creators provided is only bloggings and opinion?

For your sake, I hope you don't deny that the many children from many countries in the world are being abuse/suffer to death or be survive by their abusive parents?

I'm glad to know that you're concerned about my sake.

I never denied that. I do deny that the reason all abuse and death of children is simply because their mothers didn't abort them.

Yes, it's unfair to bring children into a world when they're not wanted, don't they?

I noticed that many unwanted children are being abuse.

It's unfair to abuse children, whether they are "wanted" or not.

What would you do about children who were very wanted by their parents but were abused anyway?

Instead of killing the children in their mommy's uterus, why not focus on preventing abuse?

How is it better to kill them before they are born then after they are born?

No, I don't think you know the difference between a good and a bad abortion.

There are no "good" abortions. The only acceptable (but not "good") abortions are those that are performed to save a mother's life when there is no other alternative.

Depend on our judgement on how good or bad situation they made... Example: we judge murder/rapist etc because they did wrong. Right? It's an exact that I judge a bad abortion for abort dozen of times without use sex protection because they did wrong.

So how many times does a person have to murder or rape before you judge that as "wrong?" Once isn't enough?

for provide the link and abbrevation word WIC. I read carefully in those link and want to make sure either I understand correct or not.

It doesn't say anything about support uninsured worker/employee pregnant women in those link but for low-income pregnant women only. (I take it that they support unemploy or low-income pregnant women only).

They support women and children who need help. If a woman has enough money she doesn't need to bother with WIC. You wanted to know about women who needed support during their pregnancies. WIC is one option for pregnant women who need help. I don't know what more you want.

again for other link.

Those Medicard is for eligible pregnant women only and their income need to be check?

That's not what I ask you question about. It's employee/worker who decide to not join health insurance. I learn from other threads that they are unable to have Medicare because they have enough income

If they have enough coverage, then why would they want Medicaid?

I mean, it create more problem when the father deny to pay for the child's support sometimes to lead the mother struggle with money to take care of her child. Some child look up his parent's role then they would do the same when they become fathers which is a scary. That's why many mothers accept to take care of their child alone without stress/hassle from their ex or take them to court to get child support...

It's good when some father are willing to accept the responsibly and pay the support for his child because he want to have his visit rights then a child will look up to parent's role and know how respectful their parents are.

What does it teach the sons if they see that their dads aren't required to support them? It teaches them that they won't need to support their future children.

Should women just let men get away with it?

You are against mother's decision for abort her fetus for good reason and beleive that she should keep her baby or give her baby up for an adoption. Right?

What "good" reason?

It's woman's own decision, not you, me and anyone. They have good reason for demand child support accord the law but they also have good reason for not bother to demand child support as well. It's their own decision, not you, me and anyone.

What about the child? What are his or her rights? Don't they have the right to a higher standard of living that could be provided by child support?

What about society? Doesn't society have the right to expect fathers to provide support for their own children instead of taxpayers paying for support?

wow, the mother has the right to say no to father if she don't want to do anything with father to consider her child. Our law give mothers free to make their own decision. The law do anything IF mother demand the child support from father and visit rights. The law is on mother's side.

I prefer that the law be on the child's side.

 

[Reba]

Yupp... Reba is right... Parents DO have right to force their daughter/s to abort the baby if they are under the age of 18. That happened to my cousin's girlfriend. Her parents forced her to abort and refuse allow my cousin to see her, and her parents have been putting my cousin in the court many times trying to punish my cousin, but they always lost lost lost. Later my cousin and his girlfriend fed up and ran away to Missouri from Washington till his girlfriend became 18 then they came back. It was really disappoiment that they failed to save the baby from her parents..

If you mean legal rights, then sadly, yes, parents might be able to get away with that.

If you mean moral rights, then, no, parents don't have that right.

It might be legal but it's not right.