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That's true, not only she die. she will more likely not have children if she want a child later in life.
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That's true, not only she die. she will more likely not have children if she want a child later in life.
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No. Abortions are safer early in the pregnancy and most danger later. This is a study of 170,000 women who had abortions in the first trimester = first 3 months of pregnancy. None died. None required major surgery. Per 1,000 abortions the study found 9.05 complications = less than 0.01 percent.
From Complications of First-Trimester Abortion: A Report of 170,000 Cases
One hundred seventy thousand first-trimester abortions were performed in three free-standing clinics of Planned Parenthood of New York City from 1971-1987. Seventy percent of the procedures were done under local anesthesia; the remainder under intravenous methohexital. No preoperative medications or routine postoperative antibiotics were given. High-risk patients were referred to a hospital. The clinics operated under uniform written guidelines. Experienced physicians performed the procedures. There were no deaths in this series of patients. One hundred twenty-one patients were hospitalized (0.71 per 1000) for suspected perforation, ectopic pregnancy, hemorrhage, sepsis, or recognized incomplete abortion. There was no major extirpative surgery performed. There were an additional 1438 minor complications (8.46 per 1000). Overall, there were 9.05 complications per 1000 abortions. The complication rates for procedures done under general anesthesia and local anesthesia were similar. We conclude that outpatient abortion on selected patients to the 14th week from the last menstrual period is a safe procedure
Also a woman can take medication for early abortion, so no need for a vacuum. Abortion with a pill is "medical abortion". Abortion with a vacuum is "surgical abortion". Both are safe early.
From American Family Physician: Medical Methods for First-Trimester Abortion
Surgical abortion by vacuum aspiration or dilatation and curettage up to 63 days' gestation has been the method of choice since the 1960s. Medical abortion became an alternative method of first-trimester pregnancy termination with the availability of prostaglandins in the early 1970s and anti-progesterones in the 1980s. The most widely researched drugs are prostaglandins alone, mifepristone alone, methotrexate alone, mifepristone with prostaglandins, and methotrexate with prostaglandins.
Reviewers' Conclusions. Safe and effective medical abortion methods are available.
From American Pregnancy Association: What abortion procedures are used during the first trimester?
In most cases, you will have a choice between medical or surgical abortion procedures during the first trimester. Medical abortions are only available up through nine weeks gestation. The types of abortion procedures performed during the first trimester are:
* Methotrexate & Misoprostol (MTX): a medical abortion procedure used up to the first seven weeks of pregnancy.
* Mifepristone and Misoprostol: a medical abortion procedure used up to the first seven to nine weeks of pregnancy. It is also referred to as RU-486, the abortion pill and Mifeprex.
* Suction Aspiration: a surgical abortion procedure used to terminate pregnancy between 6 to 12 weeks gestation. It is also referred to as suction curettage or vacuum aspiration.
The deadly truth about RU-486
Posted: September 25, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern
On Sept. 17, a California teen died seven days after taking the abortion drug RU-486, and three days after taking its prostaglandin chaser, Cytotec.
The cause of death likely will be listed as septic shock, which is one complication of an incomplete abortion. That will allow the Food and Drug Administration to maintain that the drug, which it rushed through the evaluation process and bent the rules to approve, has a good safety record and has not been directly linked to any deaths.
Since RU-486 was approved on Sept. 28, 2000, Danco, the company that distributes the Chinese manufactured pill, has reported 400 complications to the FDA which include heart attacks, severe bleeding, life-threatening blood clots, respiratory distress and infection.
At least two other North American women are known to have died after taking this drug. In one, the cause of death was listed as a bacterial infection; in the other, the cause was listed as ectopic pregnancy.
However, we may never know the real death toll from RU-486 because the cause of death usually is sanitized with one or more medical terms that obscure the truth.
Abortion is not something that families of victims are anxious to talk about. We know what happened to Holly because of the courage of her family which has come forward to try to prevent others from making the same deadly mistake.
Holly's father, Monty Patterson, was unaware his daughter was pregnant or that she had been given the abortion drugs by a Planned Parenthood clinic until four hours before her death.
Holly's trouble began when she took two tablets of misoprostol, which is given as a follow-up to RU-486 to induce contractions to expel the dead embryo.
Her boyfriend took her to the hospital on Sept. 14. She was given painkillers and sent home. Two days later, she was rushed back to the hospital. By the time her father was called in and told what really happened, she was too weak to write or speak and had to blink her eyes and nod to communicate.
Physical and Psychological Complications of Abortion
Part 4: Procedural Risks & Complications
Procedures: There are two categories of abortions: surgical and chemical.
Surgical
1. Suction-aspiration. Up to 3 months. 80% of all abortions. Commonly known as vacuum abortions. A hollow plastic tube is used to dismember and suck the baby out of the mother and into a bottle. The instrument used for this abortion is 10-29 times more powerful than a home vacuum cleaner.
2. Dilation and Curettage (D&C). 2nd and 3rd month. This abortion is similar to the suction method, except a surgical knife is inserted into the womb and is used to cut the baby apart. The baby is scraped out through the cervix. This abortion should not be confused with a therapeutic D&C, which is done on a non-pregnant woman.
3. Dilation and Evacuation (D&E). Usually up to 4 months (sometimes more). Forceps are inserted, grasping the parts of the baby's body. These parts are torn off and removed from the mother. After 12 weeks the skull must be crushed by forceps for removal.
4. Saline abortion. 4 to 7 months. A strong salt solution (saline) is injected into the womb. The baby breathes and swallows the solution which slowly poisons and suffocates her while it slowly burns her skin. The child usually dies 1 to 2 hours later. The mother goes into labor and delivers a dead or dying baby.
5. Prostaglandin abortion. 4 to 8 months. Prostaglandins are hormones needed for birth. Injecting them into the womb induces premature birth of a baby too young to survive outside the womb. Usually the child dies during the trauma of the premature labor.
6. Hysterotomy. 6 to 8 months. This abortion is like a birth by Cesarean section, except the purpose is to kill the baby. An incision is made through the abdomen into the womb. The baby is killed by various means including drowning in a bucket of water, suffocation with the placenta, cutting the cord while the baby is in the uterus depriving her of oxygen, or allowed to die by neglect.
7. Partial birth abortion or Dilation and Extraction. (D&X). 4 1/2 to 8 months. Newest method in use. Developed because the "classic" D&E method was "difficult due to the toughness of the fetal tissues at this stage of development," (Dr. Martin Haskell, NAF, 1992). This method was also developed to overcome the "complication" of live birth from the saline, prostaglandin and hysterotomy abortions. A D&X abortion involves completely delivering a baby's body except for the head. While the head is still inside the mother, a sharp instrument is forced into the back of the baby's head to make an opening for the insertion of an instrument to suction the brain out of the skull. After the brain is removed, the skull is crushed and the rest of the baby's body is delivered.
Physical complications with surgical abortions.
Over 100 potential physical complications have been associated with abortion. Some complications are immediately apparent while others reveal themselves days, months and even as much as 10-15 years later.
Infection. The damage can be mild or fatal. For the free standing abortion facility, with far inferior care, the number of infections will be at least double that of a hospital environment. (C. Gassner & C. Ballard, American Journal OB/GYN, vol. 48, p. 716).
The typical infection involving the woman's reproductive organs (uterus, fallopian tubes, and ovaries) is pelvic inflammatory disease or PID. PID is often difficult to manage and often leads to sterility, even with prompt treatment. Some women have serious chronic pain the rest of their lives because of PID. Some women even have pain every time they have sex because of PID. (M. Spence, "PID: Detection and Treatment," Sexually Transmitted Disease Bulletin, Johns Hopkins University, vol. 3, no 1, February 1983).
(PID is not a sexually transmitted disease but is a common complication from infection from abortion and STD's such as gonorrhea and chlamydia.)
Perforation of uterus. During suction, D&C and D&E abortions, the abortionist is operating blindly, by sense of feel. If he manipulates the surgical instrument too easily or too forcibly, he can puncture the woman's uterus and even her bladder or bowel.
On February 23, 1996 the National Right to Life News reported the story of a young Miami, FL woman who died after a raging blood infection overwhelmed her body. The infection was caused when the doctor performing her abortion punctured her uterus (at least twice). The infection caused gangrene to attack her hands and legs turning her limbs black. In an effort to save her life, doctors amputated her feet and portions of her legs. She died four days later. The abortion clinic owners, doctor, and staff disappeared taking their medical records and delaying the families search for justice.
Failure to extract all "products of conception." Specifically, if a limb or skull is left in the uterus, severe infection may result, causing severe cramping and bleeding. If infection becomes too advanced or is persistent, a hysterectomy--or removal of the womb--will be necessary.
Embolisms. An embolism is an obstruction of a blood vessel by a foreign substance such as air, fat, tissue, or blood clot. Childbirth is a normal process, and the body is well prepared for the birth of the child and the separation and expulsion of the placenta. Surgical abortion is an abnormal process and slices the unripe placenta from the wall of the uterus into which its roots have grown. This sometimes causes the fluid around the baby, or other pieces of tissue or blood clots, to be forced into the mother's circulation. These then travel to her lungs, causing damage and occasionally death. (W. Cates et al., American Journal OB/GYN, vol. 132, p. 16
Usually, such a blockage is minor and goes unnoticed and is eventually dissolved. But if the block occurs in the brain or heart, it may result in a stroke or heart attack. This condition may occur anywhere from 2-50 days after an abortion and is a relatively frequent major complication.
Bleeding (hemorrhaging). Some women need blood transfusions after an abortion.
Anesthetic complications. Due to the rich blood supply around the uterus during pregnancy, local and general anesthesia during abortions is risky. Convulsion, heart arrest and death are not an uncommon result because outpatient abortion clinics generally have little equipment and expertise to deal with it.
Other complications. In a D&E, abortionists have been known to mistakenly grab a woman's uterus with the forceps and pull it inside out. In a few recorded cases involving suction-aspiration abortions, abortionists have inadvertently sucked out several feet of the mother's intestines in a matter of seconds.
Death. We often hear of the "thousands" of women who died each year in the United States before abortion became legal in 1973. The fact is that in the entire year of 1972, only 39 women died from illegal abortions. (US Dept. of Health and Human Services)
Today, women do die from legal abortions. For example, the pro-abortion Chicago Suns Times ran a multi-issue expose in 1978. They discovered 12 mothers who had died from abortions. The deaths had previously gone unreported. They also reported abortions being done on non-pregnant women as well as some being performed by incompetent medical persons in unsterile conditions. (Wilke's book p.102-103) It is possible that only 5-10% of all deaths resulting from legal abortion are reported as abortion related. (John Ankerberg and John Weldon. When Does Life Begin. Brentwood, TN: Wolgemuth and Hyatt, Publishers (1989) p 58).
In a study done by abortionists themselves, out of 1,182 suction abortions, they reported 9.5% of their patients required blood transfusions, 4.2% suffered cervical lacerations, 1.2% had uterine perforations, and 27% developed infections. (J.A. Stalworthy, et. Al., "Legal Abortion: A Critical Assessment of its Risks," The Lancet, December 1971).
Long-Range Risks:
Women who may appear physically unaffected by an abortion after a one year follow-up may be found to be severely affected by abortion as many as 10-15 years later.
Ectopic pregnancies. If the scar tissue covers the openings from the fallopian tube to the uterus only partially, then the sperm will be able to reach the egg in the tube. Conceptions occurs, and fertilized egg (baby) begins to grow and move toward the uterus. The fertilized egg is too large to get from the fallopian tube to the uterus opening because of the scar tissue blocking part of the opening. The baby continues to grow inside the tube, eventually causing the tube to burst. If surgery is not done to remove the baby, then the mother will die. There has been a 300% increase in ectopic pregnancies since abortion was legalized. (US Dept. H.H.S., Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, no. 33, no. 15, April 20, 1984--quoted in Willke's book p. 108). Among women who aborted their first pregnancy there was a 500% increase in subsequent ectopic pregnancies. (Chung et al. "Effects of Induced Abortion Complications on Subsequent Reproductive Function" U. of Hawaii, Honolulu, 1981--Wilke p. 109) This is not to say that every woman who experiences tubal pregnancy has had an abortion.
Sterility. Because of such early complications as infections after an abortion, the uterus is often scarred. If the scar tissue covers the opening from the tube to the uterus, then the tiny sperm cannot reach the egg. Fertilization cannot occur.
Cervical incompetence. After infection, damage to the cervix is the next leading cause of post-abortion reproductive problems. Normally the cervix is rigid and tightly closed during pregnancy. However, during abortion the cervix undergoes tremendous stress and is often torn, resulting in permanent weakening. In a later "wanted" pregnancy, this may result in the cervix opening prematurely, resulting in miscarriage or premature birth. For this reason, the chance that a later "wanted" child will die during pregnancy or labor is at least twice as high for previously aborted women. One study shows the risk of premature delivery and second trimester miscarriage increases 10 times for women who have had abortions. Normally 5% of babies are born premature. This rate jumps to 40% on aborted women. (Aborted Women, Silent No More: Twenty Women Share Their Personal Journeys from the Tragedy of Abortion to Restored Wholeness by David C. Reardon p.101 - See the Resouce List in Part 3).
Teenage girls are at increased risk because they have immature cervixes and "run the risk of a difficult and potentially traumatic dilation." (C. Powell, Problems of Adolescent Abortion, Ortho Panel 14, Toronto General Hospital--quoted in Willke's book p.115). In one study of 50 teenage girls who had abortions there were 47 later "wanted" pregnancies. Of these 47 pregnancies 66% ended in defective births, including 19 miscarriages and 7 premature births. Only 34% ended with a full-term delivery of a healthy child. ( See Reardon, p.100-102 and Willke 105-106).
In 1995 Texans United for Life reported the tragic story of a 15-year-old girl who died, accordinng to court records, from an infection caused when the abortionist tore the right side of her cervix. Because the girl had obtained the abortion without her parents' knowledge, for four days she ignored the symptoms of infection - fever, chills, and nausea - hoping they would go away. However, by this time, her infection was massive and she was checked into a hospital where she died a few days later in intensive care.
The hospital doctors reported that if she had received prompt medical attention, this young girl would still be alive today. A few days after her death, the Texas Department of Health (TDH) sent an investigator to the clinic (A-Z Women's Services in Dallas) to look into the matter. Although the TDH has the power to revoke the license of an abortion clinic and according to court documents the investigator found the clinic to be "a serious and immediate threat to the life and health of its patients," business continues as usual at A-Z!
Increased risk of breast cancer. Because of the rapid growth of breast tissue in early pregnancy, a forced (as opposed to the natural cessation of pregnancy caused by miscarriage) premature cessation of pregnancy creates an unnatural condition. Consequently, women who have first trimester abortions face twice the risk of contracting breast cancer as those who miscarry or complete their pregnancies and give birth. (Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health, October 1996. See National Right to Life News article "British Medical Journal Documents Abortion/ Breast Cancer Link, November 14, 1996, p 18; and World article "Abortion and Breast Cancer Linked in Report," October 26, 1996, p 18.
Fact Sheet
THE UNDER-REPORTING OF ABORTION DEATHS
Women who aborted were 3.5 times more likely to die than those who carry to term.
Mika Gissler, et al., “Pregnancy Associated Deaths in Finland 1987 - 1994,” Acta Obstetrica Gynecal. Scandi 76, 1997, p. 651-657.
Most reporting on surgical deaths from induced abortion come from university medical centers. In these hospitals, surgeons are skilled and adhere to high standards for procedures, follow-up and reporting. These hospitals perform less than five percent of abortions in the U.S. The remaining 95 percent of abortions are done in abortion clinics not subject to state inspections and where supervision is suspect and emergency equipment is not required. Many of these profit-driven, cost-cutting abortion facilities have little or no emergency equipment, employ unqualified "medical technicians," use unsanitary practices and reduce their liability risks through poor and fraudulent record keeping. Clinics do not report complications. Victims of botched abortions are merely transported to hospital emergency rooms, where abortion reporting can be obscured by patients denying abortion attempts.
Dr. J.C. Willke, “Abortion Vs. Childbirth - Which is Safer?,” April 2006.
In 1987, Dr. Stephen Joseph, then commissioner of New York City 's Health Department, reported that from 1981 to 1984, there were 30 legal abortion-related deaths in New York City, constituting 17 percent of all legal abortion-related deaths in the United States during that period. The CDC reported 42 U.S. deaths in the same time period. If Dr. Joseph was accurate, then there were 176 legal abortion deaths in the United States in that four-year period.
James Miller, “Legal Abortion Deaths, Part Ii: Misreported, Unreported & Covered Up,” Human Life International
While the research articles published by investigators within CDC's Family Planning Evaluation Division consistently reflected a favorable opinion of abortion, the egregious misapplication of statistical methods in this particular study strongly suggests that their analyses were being used to deliberately promote an unjustified confidence in abortion safety. Specifically, the CDC researchers used “the Chandrasekaran-Deming theory” [sic] that “compares the results of two independent systems of ascertaining the same event and provides an estimate of the completeness of ascertainment in both systems,” to compare the abortion death tallies generated by NCHS and the data collected by CDC.
Dr. David Reardon, Dr. Thomas Strahan, Dr. John Thorp and Dr. Martha Shuping, “Deaths Associated with Abortion Compared to Childbirth – A Review of New and Old Data and the Medical and Legal Implications,” The Journal of Contemporary Health Law & Policy 20(2): 279-327.
In arriving at the conclusion that abortion's mortality rates are lower than those of childbirth in Roe v. Wade, Justice Blackmun relied on the studies and opinions of population control advocates Christopher Tietze, Malcolm Potts, and Lawrence Lader, all of whom were zealous promoters of liberalized abortion laws. The studies they relied on, however, had many methodological problems, including very limited access to patients for follow-up, no control group of delivering women, and lack of an objective standard for comparing mortality rates of delivering and aborting women. The focus of these abortion advocates appeared to be limited to identifying the risk of death from short-term complications of abortion such as septic infection or therapeutic misadventure. But subsequent experience has shown that abortion can have both subtle and profound effects on women's psychological and physical wellbeing. It is clear that prior comparisons of mortality rates associated with abortion and childbirth have been crudely constructed on the basis of an incomplete and inaccurate reporting system.
Dr. David Reardon, Dr. Thomas Strahan, Dr. John Thorp and Dr. Martha Shuping, “Deaths Associated with Abortion Compared to Childbirth – A Review of New and Old Data and the Medical and Legal Implications,” The Journal of Contemporary Health Law & Policy 20(2): 279-327.
Posted: September 25, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern
On Sept. 17, a California teen died seven days after taking the abortion drug RU-486, and three days after taking its prostaglandin chaser, Cytotec.
The cause of death likely will be listed as septic shock, which is one complication of an incomplete abortion. That will allow the Food and Drug Administration to maintain that the drug, which it rushed through the evaluation process and bent the rules to approve, has a good safety record and has not been directly linked to any deaths.
Since RU-486 was approved on Sept. 28, 2000, Danco, the company that distributes the Chinese manufactured pill, has reported 400 complications to the FDA which include heart attacks, severe bleeding, life-threatening blood clots, respiratory distress and infection.
At least two other North American women are known to have died after taking this drug. In one, the cause of death was listed as a bacterial infection; in the other, the cause was listed as ectopic pregnancy.
However, we may never know the real death toll from RU-486 because the cause of death usually is sanitized with one or more medical terms that obscure the truth.
Abortion is not something that families of victims are anxious to talk about. We know what happened to Holly because of the courage of her family which has come forward to try to prevent others from making the same deadly mistake.
Holly's father, Monty Patterson, was unaware his daughter was pregnant or that she had been given the abortion drugs by a Planned Parenthood clinic until four hours before her death.
Holly's trouble began when she took two tablets of misoprostol, which is given as a follow-up to RU-486 to induce contractions to expel the dead embryo.
Her boyfriend took her to the hospital on Sept. 14. She was given painkillers and sent home. Two days later, she was rushed back to the hospital. By the time her father was called in and told what really happened, she was too weak to write or speak and had to blink her eyes and nod to communicate.
Physical and Psychological Complications of Abortion
Part 4: Procedural Risks & Complications
Procedures: There are two categories of abortions: surgical and chemical.
Surgical
1. Suction-aspiration. Up to 3 months. 80% of all abortions. Commonly known as vacuum abortions. A hollow plastic tube is used to dismember and suck the baby out of the mother and into a bottle. The instrument used for this abortion is 10-29 times more powerful than a home vacuum cleaner.
2. Dilation and Curettage (D&C). 2nd and 3rd month. This abortion is similar to the suction method, except a surgical knife is inserted into the womb and is used to cut the baby apart. The baby is scraped out through the cervix. This abortion should not be confused with a therapeutic D&C, which is done on a non-pregnant woman.
3. Dilation and Evacuation (D&E). Usually up to 4 months (sometimes more). Forceps are inserted, grasping the parts of the baby's body. These parts are torn off and removed from the mother. After 12 weeks the skull must be crushed by forceps for removal.
4. Saline abortion. 4 to 7 months. A strong salt solution (saline) is injected into the womb. The baby breathes and swallows the solution which slowly poisons and suffocates her while it slowly burns her skin. The child usually dies 1 to 2 hours later. The mother goes into labor and delivers a dead or dying baby.
5. Prostaglandin abortion. 4 to 8 months. Prostaglandins are hormones needed for birth. Injecting them into the womb induces premature birth of a baby too young to survive outside the womb. Usually the child dies during the trauma of the premature labor.
6. Hysterotomy. 6 to 8 months. This abortion is like a birth by Cesarean section, except the purpose is to kill the baby. An incision is made through the abdomen into the womb. The baby is killed by various means including drowning in a bucket of water, suffocation with the placenta, cutting the cord while the baby is in the uterus depriving her of oxygen, or allowed to die by neglect.
7. Partial birth abortion or Dilation and Extraction. (D&X). 4 1/2 to 8 months. Newest method in use. Developed because the "classic" D&E method was "difficult due to the toughness of the fetal tissues at this stage of development," (Dr. Martin Haskell, NAF, 1992). This method was also developed to overcome the "complication" of live birth from the saline, prostaglandin and hysterotomy abortions. A D&X abortion involves completely delivering a baby's body except for the head. While the head is still inside the mother, a sharp instrument is forced into the back of the baby's head to make an opening for the insertion of an instrument to suction the brain out of the skull. After the brain is removed, the skull is crushed and the rest of the baby's body is delivered.
Physical complications with surgical abortions.
Over 100 potential physical complications have been associated with abortion. Some complications are immediately apparent while others reveal themselves days, months and even as much as 10-15 years later.
Infection. The damage can be mild or fatal. For the free standing abortion facility, with far inferior care, the number of infections will be at least double that of a hospital environment. (C. Gassner & C. Ballard, American Journal OB/GYN, vol. 48, p. 716).
The typical infection involving the woman's reproductive organs (uterus, fallopian tubes, and ovaries) is pelvic inflammatory disease or PID. PID is often difficult to manage and often leads to sterility, even with prompt treatment. Some women have serious chronic pain the rest of their lives because of PID. Some women even have pain every time they have sex because of PID. (M. Spence, "PID: Detection and Treatment," Sexually Transmitted Disease Bulletin, Johns Hopkins University, vol. 3, no 1, February 1983).
(PID is not a sexually transmitted disease but is a common complication from infection from abortion and STD's such as gonorrhea and chlamydia.)
Perforation of uterus. During suction, D&C and D&E abortions, the abortionist is operating blindly, by sense of feel. If he manipulates the surgical instrument too easily or too forcibly, he can puncture the woman's uterus and even her bladder or bowel.
On February 23, 1996 the National Right to Life News reported the story of a young Miami, FL woman who died after a raging blood infection overwhelmed her body. The infection was caused when the doctor performing her abortion punctured her uterus (at least twice). The infection caused gangrene to attack her hands and legs turning her limbs black. In an effort to save her life, doctors amputated her feet and portions of her legs. She died four days later. The abortion clinic owners, doctor, and staff disappeared taking their medical records and delaying the families search for justice.
Failure to extract all "products of conception." Specifically, if a limb or skull is left in the uterus, severe infection may result, causing severe cramping and bleeding. If infection becomes too advanced or is persistent, a hysterectomy--or removal of the womb--will be necessary.
Embolisms. An embolism is an obstruction of a blood vessel by a foreign substance such as air, fat, tissue, or blood clot. Childbirth is a normal process, and the body is well prepared for the birth of the child and the separation and expulsion of the placenta. Surgical abortion is an abnormal process and slices the unripe placenta from the wall of the uterus into which its roots have grown. This sometimes causes the fluid around the baby, or other pieces of tissue or blood clots, to be forced into the mother's circulation. These then travel to her lungs, causing damage and occasionally death. (W. Cates et al., American Journal OB/GYN, vol. 132, p. 16
Usually, such a blockage is minor and goes unnoticed and is eventually dissolved. But if the block occurs in the brain or heart, it may result in a stroke or heart attack. This condition may occur anywhere from 2-50 days after an abortion and is a relatively frequent major complication.
Bleeding (hemorrhaging). Some women need blood transfusions after an abortion.
Anesthetic complications. Due to the rich blood supply around the uterus during pregnancy, local and general anesthesia during abortions is risky. Convulsion, heart arrest and death are not an uncommon result because outpatient abortion clinics generally have little equipment and expertise to deal with it.
Other complications. In a D&E, abortionists have been known to mistakenly grab a woman's uterus with the forceps and pull it inside out. In a few recorded cases involving suction-aspiration abortions, abortionists have inadvertently sucked out several feet of the mother's intestines in a matter of seconds.
Death. We often hear of the "thousands" of women who died each year in the United States before abortion became legal in 1973. The fact is that in the entire year of 1972, only 39 women died from illegal abortions. (US Dept. of Health and Human Services)
Today, women do die from legal abortions. For example, the pro-abortion Chicago Suns Times ran a multi-issue expose in 1978. They discovered 12 mothers who had died from abortions. The deaths had previously gone unreported. They also reported abortions being done on non-pregnant women as well as some being performed by incompetent medical persons in unsterile conditions. (Wilke's book p.102-103) It is possible that only 5-10% of all deaths resulting from legal abortion are reported as abortion related. (John Ankerberg and John Weldon. When Does Life Begin. Brentwood, TN: Wolgemuth and Hyatt, Publishers (1989) p 58).
In a study done by abortionists themselves, out of 1,182 suction abortions, they reported 9.5% of their patients required blood transfusions, 4.2% suffered cervical lacerations, 1.2% had uterine perforations, and 27% developed infections. (J.A. Stalworthy, et. Al., "Legal Abortion: A Critical Assessment of its Risks," The Lancet, December 1971).
Long-Range Risks:
Women who may appear physically unaffected by an abortion after a one year follow-up may be found to be severely affected by abortion as many as 10-15 years later.
Ectopic pregnancies. If the scar tissue covers the openings from the fallopian tube to the uterus only partially, then the sperm will be able to reach the egg in the tube. Conceptions occurs, and fertilized egg (baby) begins to grow and move toward the uterus. The fertilized egg is too large to get from the fallopian tube to the uterus opening because of the scar tissue blocking part of the opening. The baby continues to grow inside the tube, eventually causing the tube to burst. If surgery is not done to remove the baby, then the mother will die. There has been a 300% increase in ectopic pregnancies since abortion was legalized. (US Dept. H.H.S., Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, no. 33, no. 15, April 20, 1984--quoted in Willke's book p. 108). Among women who aborted their first pregnancy there was a 500% increase in subsequent ectopic pregnancies. (Chung et al. "Effects of Induced Abortion Complications on Subsequent Reproductive Function" U. of Hawaii, Honolulu, 1981--Wilke p. 109) This is not to say that every woman who experiences tubal pregnancy has had an abortion.
Sterility. Because of such early complications as infections after an abortion, the uterus is often scarred. If the scar tissue covers the opening from the tube to the uterus, then the tiny sperm cannot reach the egg. Fertilization cannot occur.
Cervical incompetence. After infection, damage to the cervix is the next leading cause of post-abortion reproductive problems. Normally the cervix is rigid and tightly closed during pregnancy. However, during abortion the cervix undergoes tremendous stress and is often torn, resulting in permanent weakening. In a later "wanted" pregnancy, this may result in the cervix opening prematurely, resulting in miscarriage or premature birth. For this reason, the chance that a later "wanted" child will die during pregnancy or labor is at least twice as high for previously aborted women. One study shows the risk of premature delivery and second trimester miscarriage increases 10 times for women who have had abortions. Normally 5% of babies are born premature. This rate jumps to 40% on aborted women. (Aborted Women, Silent No More: Twenty Women Share Their Personal Journeys from the Tragedy of Abortion to Restored Wholeness by David C. Reardon p.101 - See the Resouce List in Part 3).
Teenage girls are at increased risk because they have immature cervixes and "run the risk of a difficult and potentially traumatic dilation." (C. Powell, Problems of Adolescent Abortion, Ortho Panel 14, Toronto General Hospital--quoted in Willke's book p.115). In one study of 50 teenage girls who had abortions there were 47 later "wanted" pregnancies. Of these 47 pregnancies 66% ended in defective births, including 19 miscarriages and 7 premature births. Only 34% ended with a full-term delivery of a healthy child. ( See Reardon, p.100-102 and Willke 105-106).
In 1995 Texans United for Life reported the tragic story of a 15-year-old girl who died, accordinng to court records, from an infection caused when the abortionist tore the right side of her cervix. Because the girl had obtained the abortion without her parents' knowledge, for four days she ignored the symptoms of infection - fever, chills, and nausea - hoping they would go away. However, by this time, her infection was massive and she was checked into a hospital where she died a few days later in intensive care.
The hospital doctors reported that if she had received prompt medical attention, this young girl would still be alive today. A few days after her death, the Texas Department of Health (TDH) sent an investigator to the clinic (A-Z Women's Services in Dallas) to look into the matter. Although the TDH has the power to revoke the license of an abortion clinic and according to court documents the investigator found the clinic to be "a serious and immediate threat to the life and health of its patients," business continues as usual at A-Z!
Increased risk of breast cancer. Because of the rapid growth of breast tissue in early pregnancy, a forced (as opposed to the natural cessation of pregnancy caused by miscarriage) premature cessation of pregnancy creates an unnatural condition. Consequently, women who have first trimester abortions face twice the risk of contracting breast cancer as those who miscarry or complete their pregnancies and give birth. (Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health, October 1996. See National Right to Life News article "British Medical Journal Documents Abortion/ Breast Cancer Link, November 14, 1996, p 18; and World article "Abortion and Breast Cancer Linked in Report," October 26, 1996, p 18.
Fact Sheet
THE UNDER-REPORTING OF ABORTION DEATHS
Women who aborted were 3.5 times more likely to die than those who carry to term.
Mika Gissler, et al., “Pregnancy Associated Deaths in Finland 1987 - 1994,” Acta Obstetrica Gynecal. Scandi 76, 1997, p. 651-657.
Most reporting on surgical deaths from induced abortion come from university medical centers. In these hospitals, surgeons are skilled and adhere to high standards for procedures, follow-up and reporting. These hospitals perform less than five percent of abortions in the U.S. The remaining 95 percent of abortions are done in abortion clinics not subject to state inspections and where supervision is suspect and emergency equipment is not required. Many of these profit-driven, cost-cutting abortion facilities have little or no emergency equipment, employ unqualified "medical technicians," use unsanitary practices and reduce their liability risks through poor and fraudulent record keeping. Clinics do not report complications. Victims of botched abortions are merely transported to hospital emergency rooms, where abortion reporting can be obscured by patients denying abortion attempts.
Dr. J.C. Willke, “Abortion Vs. Childbirth - Which is Safer?,” April 2006.
In 1987, Dr. Stephen Joseph, then commissioner of New York City 's Health Department, reported that from 1981 to 1984, there were 30 legal abortion-related deaths in New York City, constituting 17 percent of all legal abortion-related deaths in the United States during that period. The CDC reported 42 U.S. deaths in the same time period. If Dr. Joseph was accurate, then there were 176 legal abortion deaths in the United States in that four-year period.
James Miller, “Legal Abortion Deaths, Part Ii: Misreported, Unreported & Covered Up,” Human Life International
While the research articles published by investigators within CDC's Family Planning Evaluation Division consistently reflected a favorable opinion of abortion, the egregious misapplication of statistical methods in this particular study strongly suggests that their analyses were being used to deliberately promote an unjustified confidence in abortion safety. Specifically, the CDC researchers used “the Chandrasekaran-Deming theory” [sic] that “compares the results of two independent systems of ascertaining the same event and provides an estimate of the completeness of ascertainment in both systems,” to compare the abortion death tallies generated by NCHS and the data collected by CDC.
Dr. David Reardon, Dr. Thomas Strahan, Dr. John Thorp and Dr. Martha Shuping, “Deaths Associated with Abortion Compared to Childbirth – A Review of New and Old Data and the Medical and Legal Implications,” The Journal of Contemporary Health Law & Policy 20(2): 279-327.
In arriving at the conclusion that abortion's mortality rates are lower than those of childbirth in Roe v. Wade, Justice Blackmun relied on the studies and opinions of population control advocates Christopher Tietze, Malcolm Potts, and Lawrence Lader, all of whom were zealous promoters of liberalized abortion laws. The studies they relied on, however, had many methodological problems, including very limited access to patients for follow-up, no control group of delivering women, and lack of an objective standard for comparing mortality rates of delivering and aborting women. The focus of these abortion advocates appeared to be limited to identifying the risk of death from short-term complications of abortion such as septic infection or therapeutic misadventure. But subsequent experience has shown that abortion can have both subtle and profound effects on women's psychological and physical wellbeing. It is clear that prior comparisons of mortality rates associated with abortion and childbirth have been crudely constructed on the basis of an incomplete and inaccurate reporting system.
Dr. David Reardon, Dr. Thomas Strahan, Dr. John Thorp and Dr. Martha Shuping, “Deaths Associated with Abortion Compared to Childbirth – A Review of New and Old Data and the Medical and Legal Implications,” The Journal of Contemporary Health Law & Policy 20(2): 279-327.
Fact Sheet
THE UNDER-REPORTING OF ABORTION DEATHS
Women who aborted were 3.5 times more likely to die than those who carry to term.
Mika Gissler, et al., “Pregnancy Associated Deaths in Finland 1987 - 1994,” Acta Obstetrica Gynecal. Scandi 76, 1997, p. 651-657.
Most reporting on surgical deaths from induced abortion come from university medical centers. In these hospitals, surgeons are skilled and adhere to high standards for procedures, follow-up and reporting. These hospitals perform less than five percent of abortions in the U.S. The remaining 95 percent of abortions are done in abortion clinics not subject to state inspections and where supervision is suspect and emergency equipment is not required. Many of these profit-driven, cost-cutting abortion facilities have little or no emergency equipment, employ unqualified "medical technicians," use unsanitary practices and reduce their liability risks through poor and fraudulent record keeping. Clinics do not report complications. Victims of botched abortions are merely transported to hospital emergency rooms, where abortion reporting can be obscured by patients denying abortion attempts.
Dr. J.C. Willke, “Abortion Vs. Childbirth - Which is Safer?,” April 2006.
In 1987, Dr. Stephen Joseph, then commissioner of New York City 's Health Department, reported that from 1981 to 1984, there were 30 legal abortion-related deaths in New York City, constituting 17 percent of all legal abortion-related deaths in the United States during that period. The CDC reported 42 U.S. deaths in the same time period. If Dr. Joseph was accurate, then there were 176 legal abortion deaths in the United States in that four-year period.
James Miller, “Legal Abortion Deaths, Part Ii: Misreported, Unreported & Covered Up,” Human Life International
While the research articles published by investigators within CDC's Family Planning Evaluation Division consistently reflected a favorable opinion of abortion, the egregious misapplication of statistical methods in this particular study strongly suggests that their analyses were being used to deliberately promote an unjustified confidence in abortion safety. Specifically, the CDC researchers used “the Chandrasekaran-Deming theory” [sic] that “compares the results of two independent systems of ascertaining the same event and provides an estimate of the completeness of ascertainment in both systems,” to compare the abortion death tallies generated by NCHS and the data collected by CDC.
Dr. David Reardon, Dr. Thomas Strahan, Dr. John Thorp and Dr. Martha Shuping, “Deaths Associated with Abortion Compared to Childbirth – A Review of New and Old Data and the Medical and Legal Implications,” The Journal of Contemporary Health Law & Policy 20(2): 279-327.
In arriving at the conclusion that abortion's mortality rates are lower than those of childbirth in Roe v. Wade, Justice Blackmun relied on the studies and opinions of population control advocates Christopher Tietze, Malcolm Potts, and Lawrence Lader, all of whom were zealous promoters of liberalized abortion laws. The studies they relied on, however, had many methodological problems, including very limited access to patients for follow-up, no control group of delivering women, and lack of an objective standard for comparing mortality rates of delivering and aborting women. The focus of these abortion advocates appeared to be limited to identifying the risk of death from short-term complications of abortion such as septic infection or therapeutic misadventure. But subsequent experience has shown that abortion can have both subtle and profound effects on women's psychological and physical wellbeing. It is clear that prior comparisons of mortality rates associated with abortion and childbirth have been crudely constructed on the basis of an incomplete and inaccurate reporting system.
Dr. David Reardon, Dr. Thomas Strahan, Dr. John Thorp and Dr. Martha Shuping, “Deaths Associated with Abortion Compared to Childbirth – A Review of New and Old Data and the Medical and Legal Implications,” The Journal of Contemporary Health Law & Policy 20(2): 279-327.
THE UNDER-REPORTING OF ABORTION DEATHS
Women who aborted were 3.5 times more likely to die than those who carry to term.
Mika Gissler, et al., “Pregnancy Associated Deaths in Finland 1987 - 1994,” Acta Obstetrica Gynecal. Scandi 76, 1997, p. 651-657.
Most reporting on surgical deaths from induced abortion come from university medical centers. In these hospitals, surgeons are skilled and adhere to high standards for procedures, follow-up and reporting. These hospitals perform less than five percent of abortions in the U.S. The remaining 95 percent of abortions are done in abortion clinics not subject to state inspections and where supervision is suspect and emergency equipment is not required. Many of these profit-driven, cost-cutting abortion facilities have little or no emergency equipment, employ unqualified "medical technicians," use unsanitary practices and reduce their liability risks through poor and fraudulent record keeping. Clinics do not report complications. Victims of botched abortions are merely transported to hospital emergency rooms, where abortion reporting can be obscured by patients denying abortion attempts.
Dr. J.C. Willke, “Abortion Vs. Childbirth - Which is Safer?,” April 2006.
In 1987, Dr. Stephen Joseph, then commissioner of New York City 's Health Department, reported that from 1981 to 1984, there were 30 legal abortion-related deaths in New York City, constituting 17 percent of all legal abortion-related deaths in the United States during that period. The CDC reported 42 U.S. deaths in the same time period. If Dr. Joseph was accurate, then there were 176 legal abortion deaths in the United States in that four-year period.
James Miller, “Legal Abortion Deaths, Part Ii: Misreported, Unreported & Covered Up,” Human Life International
While the research articles published by investigators within CDC's Family Planning Evaluation Division consistently reflected a favorable opinion of abortion, the egregious misapplication of statistical methods in this particular study strongly suggests that their analyses were being used to deliberately promote an unjustified confidence in abortion safety. Specifically, the CDC researchers used “the Chandrasekaran-Deming theory” [sic] that “compares the results of two independent systems of ascertaining the same event and provides an estimate of the completeness of ascertainment in both systems,” to compare the abortion death tallies generated by NCHS and the data collected by CDC.
Dr. David Reardon, Dr. Thomas Strahan, Dr. John Thorp and Dr. Martha Shuping, “Deaths Associated with Abortion Compared to Childbirth – A Review of New and Old Data and the Medical and Legal Implications,” The Journal of Contemporary Health Law & Policy 20(2): 279-327.
In arriving at the conclusion that abortion's mortality rates are lower than those of childbirth in Roe v. Wade, Justice Blackmun relied on the studies and opinions of population control advocates Christopher Tietze, Malcolm Potts, and Lawrence Lader, all of whom were zealous promoters of liberalized abortion laws. The studies they relied on, however, had many methodological problems, including very limited access to patients for follow-up, no control group of delivering women, and lack of an objective standard for comparing mortality rates of delivering and aborting women. The focus of these abortion advocates appeared to be limited to identifying the risk of death from short-term complications of abortion such as septic infection or therapeutic misadventure. But subsequent experience has shown that abortion can have both subtle and profound effects on women's psychological and physical wellbeing. It is clear that prior comparisons of mortality rates associated with abortion and childbirth have been crudely constructed on the basis of an incomplete and inaccurate reporting system.
Dr. David Reardon, Dr. Thomas Strahan, Dr. John Thorp and Dr. Martha Shuping, “Deaths Associated with Abortion Compared to Childbirth – A Review of New and Old Data and the Medical and Legal Implications,” The Journal of Contemporary Health Law & Policy 20(2): 279-327.
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Yeah, that's a tough one to accomplish.GTM, ya wanna think about that one again?
Well if some of mothers support abort, should they support legal to murder their own children? I see the same.
I agree with this. What is the difference if you kill a baby in the womb,
or outside of the womb. Why does a trip down the birth canal alter
the status of this life? If a doctor allows the baby to be born alive
it is murder if it then dies. If he kills it in the womb it is not murder.
No wonder so many doctors commit suicide. They cannot live with
themselves for what they have done.
I agree with this. What is the difference if you kill a baby in the womb,
or outside of the womb. Why does a trip down the birth canal alter
the status of this life? If a doctor allows the baby to be born alive
it is murder if it then dies. If he kills it in the womb it is not murder.
No wonder so many doctors commit suicide. They cannot live with
themselves for what they have done.
Does that mean you support abortion of a deaf baby? HAs/CIs are expensive, too. I don't mean to give you a hard time, just something to think about for everybody. Abort a unhealthy baby might sounds good idea but one can easily go overboard with reasons for aborting babies.
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Yes, HA/CIs are expensive. A profound and serious handicapped is most expensive than buying three cars. If a person is wealthy, then she/he is willing to help the handicapped person, but the drawback is the insurance agent knows how much the person earns from work and salary. The insurance knows everything in your record and takes your money out of your pocket. It is almost as you are trapped that you have to work and pay your mortgage on time. Otherwise, you would default all the costs. I am not sure that an insurance company cannot touch your bank. Probably, it takes your house or car away. (Correct me if I am wrong.) I think that it is a cruel for the insurance to hurt people who have children's health problems. I would say that they would rather to be safe to have it aborted.
I watched on PBS about a woman's health problems. She struggles to earn more money because she does not have a choice. She has to pay her greedy insurance a lot of money for rest of her life. She became poor and is still working. She doesn't get what she wanted to be for her future. That's awful to hear that.
Well sorry to BREAK THIS OUT. I think what you said is very rude and insulting to us the deafies around this forum. It make it sounds like you say all those people who can't work due to their disability are worthless, pain in the ass, etc, and should be killed. Do you think people born to work, earning money, go home only for eat and sleep, go school, etc?
What do you think if a mother have a child who have to sit on the wheelchair everyday, the mother told that child "Maybe I should just abort you, so that you don't have to suffer riding on the wheelchair"? Do you think that mother is a good mother or not? Of course, that mother was very horrible mother to say that to a child who sit on the wheelchair everyday. I am sure that child will feel very hurtful.
I am sorry I definitely disagree with you, people don't born for the money, living off the job, only go home for eat and sleep, whatsover that was too DUTY. We are here to be OURSELVES. We are NOT ROBOTS.
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That's very disgusted, cause deafness aren't approved at after birth, not before birth.
Same with serious handicapped isnt approve after birth as well.
Very, disgusted, amen.
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Really? I learned from the show, and that is how insurance find your money. At first, I don't believe it until I watched it at the end of the show. I felt bad for her. What such in the world that the insurance to do that to us included handicapped people. Why can't we get our hearing aids for free if we pay for our insurance which doesn't cover that.
What makes you think that I am rude to you? I didn't point people who isn't working. Will you able to afford a least one million dollars to cover your health problems if you are on a wheelchair, no arms, no voice, deaf, etc. I am just saying that you might not realize that people can walk around, and they can work around anything with their arms. You don't. It is just a concept that it is a cruel life. The president does not allow the researchers to work on stem cells, and many people are waiting that for years. Like Christopher Reeve. He donated a lot of money for the stem cells research and many other research. He didn't get what he wanted because of the stupid law. If we could use some stem cells from the abortion, it would have saved so many people to get back their feet and to be happy again. There is no simple solution.
If the insurance doesn't interfere people's life, then that would be great and we would not have to worry about the money issue. That would make a whole difference. Now, the insurances want to screw us around for money. Many people lost their job, no 401K, not enough financial future, etc , and impossible to take care of the handicapped children. The FDA doesn't care about nutrient foods and good programs for their needs. You just have to be your own to make money for a survival.
Well my insurance paid 100 percent of my CI. I pay nothing for it. It's just depends on what kind insurance they have. Also I don't think the insurance is the reason that a person should be abort. It's just making a person look like that person is a crybaby complaining how horrible her life was, and wishing for the suicide.
What make me think you was rude is that when you said that all people who suffer with their body, due to cancer, due to no arms, due to no legs, etc should be abort. It makes them look like worthless folks.
About the stem cells research, to me that is quite scary. What if a mother became pregnanted, then doctor discovered that baby inside her womb was a horrible child, that baby will be mentally retarded, no arms, no legs, can't hear, can't see etc. That mother say "Oh that baby is too much, just abort it." I think that is quite selfish..
Yeah of course, the insurance, governments, etc is just humans being just like us. We never can depends on them for whole thing. We need to do for ourselves too, we can't just expect the government, insurance, or whatsoever to do everything for us.
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I never said that all people suffer with their body. I didn't know that a baby can get a cancer. I usually think that a child could get a cancer or a tumor.
Interesting, this one about healthy babies can be so lucky to find a new home. I know there are so many list. Not very many people want to adopt a serverly handicapped babies, they will bring them to some institutes.
Off subject, We recently met a young deaf man at a store. He is about 18 years old. He is in a group home. He never saw his real parents since he was born. I noticed that he is very insecure himself. He doesn't know how to be a young man because of no father, and he is very quiet. He does have a guide man with him to walk around the places and stores. I may think that the man works as a Social Worker because he is black man. The black man seems very nice, and he does not permit him to introduce us which surprised us. i.e. our names or what town we live in. That's very unusual to us. It is important for him interact with people which is better than nothing as long as he is happy...
fredfam1 - Glad that you raised your adopted children. I read somewhere that a legal system was discovered in the holes because of the molesters and scammers selling the babies in Mexico and some Europe. That's all I know of.
[/Quote]fredfam1 - Glad that you raised your adopted children. I read somewhere that a legal system was discovered in the holes because of the molesters and scammers selling the babies in Mexico and some Europe. That's all I know of.[/QUOTE]
Sorry you misunderstood me. I said I would have adopted children but
was not able to do all the legal stuff required. (like make more money)
I meant I raised my own biological children. Yes there is a black market
in children that I think the legal system at least here has fostered.
Sorry you misunderstood me. I said I would have adopted children but
was not able to do all the legal stuff required. (like make more money)
I meant I raised my own biological children. Yes there is a black market
in children that I think the legal system at least here has fostered.