Are you guys sick of the USA?

[Daft]

If you are going to leave the US, are you really prepared for whichever country you wish to reside in?

Are you aware there are a lot of problems with the UK's NHS? You may need surgery and then be told you will need to wait 2 years for the operation. You could pay for it out of your own pocket and get it done earlier, but for the gov't to pay for it, you will have to wait. Are you willing to pay double for the price of gas? Did you know groceries are expensive in the UK and its not uncommon for British people to go to France to do grocery shopping?

Moving to Germany? Did you know that stores are closed on Sundays and are usually only open half a day on Saturday? Also, most stores close in the evening during the week? Did you know you will be required to buy your own health insurance - and it isn't cheap, either? If you get an apartment, you will need to make a 3 month deposit - plus pay another 2 months worth of rent to the real estate agent just for showing you the apartment? If you think red tape is bad here, the German gov't makes the US gov't look like noobs. Did you know that you will not be allowed to do laundry or wash your car on Sundays?

Did you know you will have to observe the quiet hours? Did you know when you leave an apartment - you are responsible for repainting the entire apartment and leave it in spotless condition? Did you know that you will have to recycle all your garbage and there will be 5 different bins for each type of rubbish? And if you have more trash than what is alotted, you will be charged for the extra rubbish to be removed? Did you know that you will have to pay for a license for your television, computer, and any radios you may have. You may not use them, but you will be required to pay the yearly license. Are you aware that you will have to register your address within 2 weeks of your arrival to the German gov't. And everytime you move, you will have to deregister from your old address and register at your new?

Did you know in German apartments, carpeting and appliances are not usually provided - you have to buy your own. You will most likely need to purchase all your lighting fixtures. Did you realize in Germany, apartments and homes often do not have closets and you will need to buy a "wardrobe" to store your clothes. In Germany, a closet is considered a separate room and is taxed as another room. Did you realize parking a car is more expensive than a parking ticket?

If you like Mexican food, you will not be able to easily find any Mexican food in Germany (or in the UK). Do you know how difficult it is to simply find cheddar cheese in Germany? Do you realize you should get legal insurance while in Germany because there are a lot of lawsuits in Germany and most Germans get legal insurance just for that reason. Do you realize clothing in Europe is a lot more expensive than in the US? Are you prepared for the infamous bad customer service you can get in Germany? Did you know if you don't cancel any sort of subscription within at least 30 days of when the subscription ends, it will automatically be extended you will be legally required to continue paying for the subscription?

Did you realize in Germany, it is common to be required to give at least 2 or 3 months notice before quitting a job? Did you realize that if you break an apartment lease in Germany, you may be required to pay for the full amount of the lease until the lease is up? Do you realize after six months, you are required to get a German driver's license if you wish to drive. And if you don't live in a state which has an agreement with Germany concerning licenses, your German license could cost you up to $2000 dollar - plus you will be required to take driving school classes, driving theory classes, etc and it could cost an additional $2000.

If you wish to move to Berlin, Germany - did you know that unemployment is about 20%? Are you prepared to watch TV or movies with only German subtitles? Did you know you will not be able to find a lot of American-style food? Did you know that flour is different in Germany than in the US (US cake recipes simply won't turn out when using German flour)?

Europe may sound fun and cool, but the US does definitely have a lot of advantages.

 

[sequoias]

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Dixie, where did you get all that information you stated above? That sounds a bit too extrme!

 

[chip]

Lycka lip lasning!

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

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Dixie, where did you get all that information you stated above? That sounds a bit too extrme!

YOu means Daft, not Dixie, right?

Does sounds extreme, and doesn't even line up with the UKers' own experiences, albeit except for Lissa-- all are Scottish. Don't know about Germany, but it just seems odd to me as well since Germany is pretty high on the freedom indexes.

 

[chip]

Vi valkomnar alla amerikanska flyktingar.

 

[posts from hell]

If you are going to leave the US, are you really prepared for whichever country you wish to reside in?

Right now, I’m not even close to prepared. But like always, I’ll find a way.

Are you aware there are a lot of problems with the UK's NHS? You may need surgery and then be told you will need to wait 2 years for the operation. You could pay for it out of your own pocket and get it done earlier, but for the gov't to pay for it, you will have to wait. Are you willing to pay double for the price of gas? Did you know groceries are expensive in the UK and its not uncommon for British people to go to France to do grocery shopping?

• Can you please show me evidence – non US based media source – on the delays on NHS in UK? Because I’m finding the opposite.
• Double the price of gas – I took every opportunity to fill my jeep up at $4.65 a gallon when it was that high. So, yes, I am willing.
• I did not know that the food price in UK was expensive. Although I have heard that a slice of pizza, spaghetti, coke and a beer runs around US $60 in Denmark.

Moving to Germany? Did you know that stores are closed on Sundays and are usually only open half a day on Saturday? Also, most stores close in the evening during the week? Did you know you will be required to buy your own health insurance - and it isn't cheap, either? If you get an apartment, you will need to make a 3 month deposit - plus pay another 2 months worth of rent to the real estate agent just for showing you the apartment? If you think red tape is bad here, the German gov't makes the US gov't look like noobs. Did you know that you will not be allowed to do laundry or wash your car on Sundays?

• Regarding store closures – Did you know Italy has a 2 hour lunch window where everything is shut down as well. Very hard to get a lunch within 30 minutes during that window because even the restaurants are off for lunch. I prefer it that way, more “me” and family time.
• Buying my own health insurance – I already do that, and most of the Americans as well.
• The not being able to do laundry or washing cars on Sundays is funny to me, but hey, I don’t even wash my jeep.

Did you know you will have to observe the quiet hours? Did you know when you leave an apartment - you are responsible for repainting the entire apartment and leave it in spotless condition? Did you know that you will have to recycle all your garbage and there will be 5 different bins for each type of rubbish? And if you have more trash than what is alotted, you will be charged for the extra rubbish to be removed? Did you know that you will have to pay for a license for your television, computer, and any radios you may have. You may not use them, but you will be required to pay the yearly license. Are you aware that you will have to register your address within 2 weeks of your arrival to the German gov't. And everytime you move, you will have to deregister from your old address and register at your new?

• Quiet hours – Cool, I am a very quiet person myself, I wouldn’t have a problem with that.
• Yes, I am aware of moving out of a rental that its customary in Germany to clean up, repaint, and making it perfect.
• I didn’t know that Germany also enforced recycling as much as my hometown of Boulder did. Kudos to Germany. I wish more places were like that here.
• If I had more trash than normal, I would manage it, make sure I get rid of excess waste this week next week. Not a big deal.
• License for TV, Computers, and radios – One question, if I don’t even have them, do I pay for them anyways? I didn’t know this.
• Registering my address – Didn’t know that was too much of a hassle, We do it here as well. We have 10 days to do so. (In the state of Colorado) But we don’t have a “deregistering process.”

Did you know in German apartments, carpeting and appliances are not usually provided - you have to buy your own. You will most likely need to purchase all your lighting fixtures. Did you realize in Germany, apartments and homes often do not have closets and you will need to buy a "wardrobe" to store your clothes. In Germany, a closet is considered a separate room and is taxed as another room. Did you realize parking a car is more expensive than a parking ticket?

• Carpeting, lighting fixtures, wardrobe (We call it “dressers” over here) are all things that comes with moving into a new place in Germany which I am willing to put up with.
• I can see why a closet Is a separate room and Is taxed as such reducing the amounts of closets you can find in Germany.
• There are spots in the USA where parking a car is more expensive than a parking ticket as well. I’m sure we all can figure out ways around that.

If you like Mexican food, you will not be able to easily find any Mexican food in Germany (or in the UK). Do you know how difficult it is to simply find cheddar cheese in Germany? Do you realize you should get legal insurance while in Germany because there are a lot of lawsuits in Germany and most Germans get legal insurance just for that reason. Do you realize clothing in Europe is a lot more expensive than in the US? Are you prepared for the infamous bad customer service you can get in Germany? Did you know if you don't cancel any sort of subscription within at least 30 days of when the subscription ends, it will automatically be extended you will be legally required to continue paying for the subscription?

• Chowtime: Thankfully I like ALL sorts of food, including German.
• Didn’t know there was a lot of lawsuits in Germany, and there’s legal insurances as well. I’ll look into it.
• I know that Germany has horrendous customer service. Well.. let me rephrase – nearly extinct customer service.
• I wish some of my subscriptions were that automated, so I don’t have to mail in a paper saying I want to continue subscribing

Did you realize in Germany, it is common to be required to give at least 2 or 3 months notice before quitting a job? Did you realize that if you break an apartment lease in Germany, you may be required to pay for the full amount of the lease until the lease is up? Do you realize after six months, you are required to get a German driver's license if you wish to drive. And if you don't live in a state which has an agreement with Germany concerning licenses, your German license could cost you up to $2000 dollar - plus you will be required to take driving school classes, driving theory classes, etc and it could cost an additional $2000.

• Didn’t realize that its customary to give a few months notice in Germany. I do not plan to have a “real job” though.
• Funny thing about apartment leases: Back when I was young and stupid, I thought all leases seemed to be that way here. Thankfully I never had to break any leases.
• I didn’t know that it was required for you to get a drivers license in Germany. Are there anyone without drivers license there? However, I knew it was expensive, like France.

If you wish to move to Berlin, Germany - did you know that unemployment is about 20%? Are you prepared to watch TV or movies with only German subtitles? Did you know you will not be able to find a lot of American-style food? Did you know that flour is different in Germany than in the US (US cake recipes simply won't turn out when using German flour)?

• I didn’t know unemployment was that high.
• I don’t watch TV.
• Chowtime II: I love all food.
• Flour Tutorial: When I make me some German noodles from scratch I have problems with it, is it the US flour and I need to get me some German Flour??? Wow, I’ll have to try that.

Europe may sound fun and cool, but the US does definitely have a lot of advantages.

I would love to add – this is a very nice post of yours. It was very informative. What are the pros though?

I never once thought of living in Germany for some of the reasons above. I would love to visit Germany.
If I had to move to Europe, I would be moving to Sweden.
The “job” I would be doing is playing poker for a living. Poker is a universal language where everyone can understand one other and tell a story about their cards without speaking a word.

 

[Cheri]

I love the United States of America. I have no desire to permanently live any other place.

That doesn't mean I look down on other countries. They all have their own pros and cons.

I simply love my country, imperfections and all, most of all.

I appreciate America's blessings and opportunities, respect its history, and try to improve on its shortcomings.

I am saddened by things I see happening in America, and pray to God that He will have mercy on this great nation.

Great post, Reba and I agree.

 

[Lighthouse77]

I'm assuming Daft is from UK because of his scree name?

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

I'm assuming Daft is from UK because of his scree name?

From the same state as Bottesini. Iowa.

 

[Daft]

Can you please show me evidence – non US based media source – on the delays on NHS in UK? Because I’m finding the opposite.

Speak to any Brit and they will tell you from personal experience. One of my best friends from a few years ago (she moved out of state and I have lost contact with her) told me the NHS was a huge joke and was in dire need of fixing. Her mum need an operation for her hip and was told she had to wait two years for the operation. I talked to her mum once and she said the 2 year wait was very normal. Forgot to mention, my friend grew up in London and was very familiar with the NHS.

Double the price of gas – I took every opportunity to fill my jeep up at $4.65 a gallon when it was that high. So, yes, I am willing.
I did not know that the food price in UK was expensive. Although I have heard that a slice of pizza, spaghetti, coke and a beer runs around US $60 in Denmark.

$4.65 a gallon would be considered very cheap in Germany. It's probably about $10 a gallon now. The UK must import most of its food, that's why its so expensive.

Regarding store closures – Did you know Italy has a 2 hour lunch window where everything is shut down as well. Very hard to get a lunch within 30 minutes during that window because even the restaurants are off for lunch. I prefer it that way, more “me” and family time.
Buying my own health insurance – I already do that, and most of the Americans as well.
The not being able to do laundry or washing cars on Sundays is funny to me, but hey, I don’t even wash my jeep.

If a holiday lands on a Friday or Monday, that means stores are closed for 3 days. If you don't plan ahead, you simply will not be able to buy groceries. With the current store hours, people who work normal business hours have about 1 hour per day Mon - Fri Saturday morning morning to do ALL their shopping.

License for TV, Computers, and radios – One question, if I don’t even have them, do I pay for them anyways? I didn’t know this.
Registering my address – Didn’t know that was too much of a hassle, We do it here as well. We have 10 days to do so. (In the state of Colorado) But we don’t have a “deregistering process.”

You have to pay the license fee if you own the TV, computer, and/or radio. I'm not sure, but I believe it costs around $300 per item. Even if you never use your television, you have to pay for the license. Even if you are deaf and have a radio in your apartment, you will have to pay for the license. In Germany, if you move you must deregister - it is the law. By the way, I am very surprised you must register in Colorado. I have never heard of any state in the US which requires a citizen to register their residence with the government. Also, you must bring several documents with to register. Often you will be waiting in line for several hours and if you don't have everything in order, you will have to come back another time. It would be best to bring a native German who will translate for you because sometimes they will refuse to speak English.

Buying my own health insurance – I already do that, and most of the Americans as well.
The not being able to do laundry or washing cars on Sundays is funny to me, but hey, I don’t even wash my jeep.

Health insurance is very, very expensive in Germany and is required. Sundays is considered a "quiet time" so no work at home is allowed. If you live in an apartment and have a normal job, you will only be allowed to do laundry on Saturday or for about 3 hours Mon - Fri. And remember that German laundry machines are different than American machines. A load of laundry in Germany takes about 1.5 hours to wash. So if the machines in your building aren't busy, you will have time to do one load of laundry per day.

Carpeting, lighting fixtures, wardrobe (We call it “dressers” over here) are all things that comes with moving into a new place in Germany which I am willing to put up with.
I can see why a closet Is a separate room and Is taxed as such reducing the amounts of closets you can find in Germany.
There are spots in the USA where parking a car is more expensive than a parking ticket as well. I’m sure we all can figure out ways around that.

Wardrobes are not like "dressers" in the US. They are large and look sort of like a cupboard in which you can hang clothes. It's a bit of a hassle when you consider here in the States, you don't need to buy that bulky piece of furniture because you have a closet. And many stores do not deliver and you will have to hire a delivery van to bring your wardrobe. As for parking in Germany, good luck! I was at a party in Germany once and one of the main topics of conversation was how long it took to find a parking spot and how much it was going to end up costing. Best bet is to use public transport.

I know that Germany has horrendous customer service. Well.. let me rephrase – nearly extinct customer service.
I wish some of my subscriptions were that automated, so I don’t have to mail in a paper saying I want to continue subscribing

I was reading in a forum that someone in Berlin bought a health-club membership about 20 years ago. The person had an emergency and had to move out of the country back home. When he returned to Germany, he was faced with a lawsuit from the health club for over $1 million in back membership. Doesn't sound too fun to me. Also with subscriptions, you can't cancel them. You will be required to continue making payments until your contract is done. For example, phone service usually requires a two-year contract. If you happen to find a cheaper company, you will have to wait until your first contract is over before you can sign up for the cheaper company. Plus, you have to contact the first company within 30 days of the end of the contract and tell them to cancel it. If you don't you are locked into another 2 year contract.

I didn’t know that it was required for you to get a drivers license in Germany. Are there anyone without drivers license there? However, I knew it was expensive, like France.

If you want to drive, you have to have a license. Once you have a German license, its forever. However, the Germans use a point system and you are only allowed so many points until your license is suspend. I don't remember how long a point is on your record.

The “job” I would be doing is playing poker for a living. Poker is a universal language where everyone can understand one other and tell a story about their cards without speaking a word.

I am not sure how the German gov't would view this as a job. In order to obtain residency, you will have to prove to the gov't you are able to support yourself for a certain amount of time. Also, if you plan to play poker, you would have to do this at a casino. Are you aware that the areas for playing poker require formal attire? I believe you need to wear a tuxedo or at least a black suit and black tie to be admitted to the poker area. I had a friend who worked at a German casino and he told me they were very, very strict about the dress code there.

Something else I forgot to mention, if you wish to live in Germany you will be required to take an integration course and German language courses. Not sure what they would do for the Deaf, but I know hearing people are required to pass a written, listening, and writing exam in order to be able to stay. Last I knew, the course would cost you two euros an hour with the gov't subidizing the rest of the cost.

What are the pros though?

If you enjoy German culture and language, its the place to be . Public transportation is second to none. I remember the first time I took the U-bahn (subway) in Munich. Just as we were heading to the platform, the train left. Someone said, "Crap, we have to wait six minutes for the next train!" In one German city, buses will stop at one transportation hub every 60 seconds. Germany is also part of the Schenge agreement.

I would guess that the Swedish way of doing things is somewhat similiar to the German way. Just wanted you to realize it would not be like moving to another part of Colorado.

My motto, you can never be prepared enough!

 

[Foxrac]

USA!!!!!!!!!! It is great country ever and it does give me anything whatever I want, lol.

 

[somedeafdudefromPNW]

Speak to any Brit and they will tell you from personal experience. One of my best friends from a few years ago (she moved out of state and I have lost contact with her) told me the NHS was a huge joke and was in dire need of fixing. Her mum need an operation for her hip and was told she had to wait two years for the operation. I talked to her mum once and she said the 2 year wait was very normal. Forgot to mention, my friend grew up in London and was very familiar with the NHS.

Are they English or Scottish? The UK has four different NHS. The Scottish ones say the English NHS sucks compared to the Scottish NHS.

 

[Foxrac]

I love the United States of America. I have no desire to permanently live any other place.

That doesn't mean I look down on other countries. They all have their own pros and cons.

I simply love my country, imperfections and all, most of all.

I appreciate America's blessings and opportunities, respect its history, and try to improve on its shortcomings.

I am saddened by things I see happening in America, and pray to God that He will have mercy on this great nation.

Agreed.

 

[Foxrac]

isn't Sweden the one where nearly all deafies have CI?

Yup, that what I was thinking and need someone to confirm, also it seems like alot of deaf people in Norway has CI too.

 

[Daft]

For those wondering, I am American but have always been fond of the word "daft". One reason, I was speaking to someone and he told me je had learned a "new" Brit word - daft. I thought it was pretty funny because I thought it was fairly common knowledge. Talked to a few people and they didn't know the meaning of the word, either. Voila, my fav word - daft!

 

[Daft]

Dixie, where did you get all that information you stated above? That sounds a bit too extrme!

Talk to any expat living in German or check out the forums for English speaking people living in Germany. I don't know the forum rules for posting other forums, so I have refrained from posting the name of the one I visit often.

 

[Jiro]

Liebling is a german ADer (but born in London) and she's proud of it. She has spoken about the horror of NHS.

 

[herewego]

I personally think that each country/continent as good and bad sides. What I like here is how much Europe thinks about recycling and pollution in general. It's one of the most important things to my eyes!

In some areas they are definitely way more green than us, however struggling economies in Europe such as Italy and I think Spain as well are heavy industrial countries causing pollution due to poor technology and economy. However still I'm sure there emissions are much less than ours as a whole and I know many European countries don't use plastic bags. Plus a lot more is made out of recyclable material. Not to only promote Europe there is good and bad don't get me wrong.

 

[posts from hell]

Speak to any Brit and they will tell you from personal experience. One of my best friends from a few years ago (she moved out of state and I have lost contact with her) told me the NHS was a huge joke and was in dire need of fixing. Her mum need an operation for her hip and was told she had to wait two years for the operation. I talked to her mum once and she said the 2 year wait was very normal. Forgot to mention, my friend grew up in London and was very familiar with the NHS.

When was this?

$4.65 a gallon would be considered very cheap in Germany. It's probably about $10 a gallon now. The UK must import most of its food, that's why its so expensive.

as of 12-28-2009 it is $7.19 USD/Gal. I was just saying that $4.65 wasn’t too big of deal for me. $7 wouldn’t be either.

If a holiday lands on a Friday or Monday, that means stores are closed for 3 days. If you don't plan ahead, you simply will not be able to buy groceries. With the current store hours, people who work normal business hours have about 1 hour per day Mon - Fri Saturday morning morning to do ALL their shopping.

That’s called responsibility. If you don’t have any, too bad on you. And are there like 20 holidays per year?

You have to pay the license fee if you own the TV, computer, and/or radio. I'm not sure, but I believe it costs around $300 per item. Even if you never use your television, you have to pay for the license. Even if you are deaf and have a radio in your apartment, you will have to pay for the license. In Germany, if you move you must deregister - it is the law. By the way, I am very surprised you must register in Colorado. I have never heard of any state in the US which requires a citizen to register their residence with the government. Also, you must bring several documents with to register. Often you will be waiting in line for several hours and if you don't have everything in order, you will have to come back another time. It would be best to bring a native German who will translate for you because sometimes they will refuse to speak English.

Alright $300 per item, cool. Better than paying for no TV. I’m fine with that.
Registering – License, if you move here, you must have a Colorado license within 10 days, plus SS update, plus mailing updates, etc etc. Pretty much the same thing, but in Germany you have to dread that one long line.

Health insurance is very, very expensive in Germany and is required. Sundays is considered a "quiet time" so no work at home is allowed. If you live in an apartment and have a normal job, you will only be allowed to do laundry on Saturday or for about 3 hours Mon - Fri. And remember that German laundry machines are different than American machines. A load of laundry in Germany takes about 1.5 hours to wash. So if the machines in your building aren't busy, you will have time to do one load of laundry per day.

Health Insurance – How much do you pay here, how much do they pay there? I know a family here that pays $800 a month for insurance and they’re a family of three, with only one person bringing in the bucks.
I know German laundry machines are different. They’re top quality and take a very long time to do a load while being very efficient.

Wardrobes are not like "dressers" in the US. They are large and look sort of like a cupboard in which you can hang clothes. It's a bit of a hassle when you consider here in the States, you don't need to buy that bulky piece of furniture because you have a closet. And many stores do not deliver and you will have to hire a delivery van to bring your wardrobe. As for parking in Germany, good luck! I was at a party in Germany once and one of the main topics of conversation was how long it took to find a parking spot and how much it was going to end up costing. Best bet is to use public transport.

Oh these. I was thinking about that when I was writing. I’ve hired delivery trucks to bring my furniture in the past.
And that was what I meant by “finding ways around it” -- public transportation.

I was reading in a forum that someone in Berlin bought a health-club membership about 20 years ago. The person had an emergency and had to move out of the country back home. When he returned to Germany, he was faced with a lawsuit from the health club for over $1 million in back membership. Doesn't sound too fun to me. Also with subscriptions, you can't cancel them. You will be required to continue making payments until your contract is done. For example, phone service usually requires a two-year contract. If you happen to find a cheaper company, you will have to wait until your first contract is over before you can sign up for the cheaper company. Plus, you have to contact the first company within 30 days of the end of the contract and tell them to cancel it. If you don't you are locked into another 2 year contract.

Again, that is completely responsibility.

If you want to drive, you have to have a license. Once you have a German license, its forever. However, the Germans use a point system and you are only allowed so many points until your license is suspend. I don't remember how long a point is on your record.

So, which is it, I *have * to get a license, or I don’t? If I didn’t want to drive, do I need a license?

I am not sure how the German gov't would view this as a job. In order to obtain residency, you will have to prove to the gov't you are able to support yourself for a certain amount of time. Also, if you plan to play poker, you would have to do this at a casino. Are you aware that the areas for playing poker require formal attire? I believe you need to wear a tuxedo or at least a black suit and black tie to be admitted to the poker area. I had a friend who worked at a German casino and he told me they were very, very strict about the dress code there.

Not all of them require formal attire. If they do, I don’t mind at all. In fact I like it. Also, from what I read from several citizenship requirements of various countries – they say you need to prove that you are able to support yourself. They also accept a bank statement with a huge balance of cash in it, just a fyi.

Something else I forgot to mention, if you wish to live in Germany you will be required to take an integration course and German language courses. Not sure what they would do for the Deaf, but I know hearing people are required to pass a written, listening, and writing exam in order to be able to stay. Last I knew, the course would cost you two euros an hour with the gov't subidizing the rest of the cost.

I’ll check into that.

If you enjoy German culture and language, its the place to be . Public transportation is second to none. I remember the first time I took the U-bahn (subway) in Munich. Just as we were heading to the platform, the train left. Someone said, "Crap, we have to wait six minutes for the next train!" In one German city, buses will stop at one transportation hub every 60 seconds. Germany is also part of the Schenge agreement.

Yep, Public Transportation is one of the best there.

I would guess that the Swedish way of doing things is somewhat similiar to the German way. Just wanted you to realize it would not be like moving to another part of Colorado.

Gotcha. I already knew that it wasn’t the same as moving around here.

My motto, you can never be prepared enough!

Been there

 

[TWA]

Daft, have you ever even been to Europe? I mean, not just spent a week vacation, but actually lived there? Some of the things you've said are true, but a lot of them are are not, or are grossly generalized.