America's biggest teacher and principal cheating scandal unfolds in Atlanta

deafskeptic said:
I also will have to ask my little sister what she has to say about this. She used to be a second grade teacher but currently works in the adminstrative dept of the Educational dept.
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I can absolutely guarantee you that administration has a very different perspective than does the teacher in the trenches. But regarding NCLB, it is administration that puts the pressure on the teachers because of funding issues.
 
saywhatkid said:
Well, I am fixated on the cheating aspect. I am also looking at the students involved. K-12 students are far more impressionable in regards to this than college students. I still cannot endorse what was done here as anything other than criminal activities. If a janitor at this school used profanity around the students, he would be fired. They would consider it a conduct issue. Are you implying that this "we need to cheat to stay afloat" agenda is a better thing? Sorry, I don't see it that way.
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I'm implying, or rather, stating outright, that the cheating was borne of the ramifications of NCLB. Cussing is not.
 
jillio said:
Nice attempt at backpedaling. Too bad it doesn't work.
Obstruction of justice? Again, you really are out on a limb.:laugh2:
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What am I backpedaling on?

jillio said:
And your interpretation is so totally off the wall that it does not even deserve a response.:laugh2:
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So did they or did they not commit those crimes? Should those crimes be punished or not? Am I not worthy of a response to those simple questions?
 
jillio said:
No, if you fail to see all the areas in between black and white you're dichotomous.
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All the areas? What if I only see some of the grey areas but miss others? Then am I still absolutely dichotomous? Or just a little dichotomous?
 
darkdog said:
What am I backpedaling on?


So did they or did they not commit those crimes? Should those crimes be punished or not? Am I not worthy of a response to those simple questions?
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"I meant to say..." is a sure sign of backpedaling after you have been busted.:laugh2:

I don't know whether they committed them or not. Nor do I presume to determine the punishment if they are guilty. I do not know their employment records or the accomplishments they have had as educators. I have only a small bit of the story that was posted in here.
 
darkdog said:
All the areas? What if I only see some of the grey areas but miss others? Then am I still absolutely dichotomous? Or just a little dichotomous?
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No, you are dichotomous.:laugh2: Through and through. Maybe it's developmental. Have you hit 25-26 yet?
 
jillio said:
I'm implying, or rather, stating outright, that the cheating was borne of the ramifications of NCLB. Cussing is not.
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I got that, but I am looking at who cheated. You find justification based on job pressures, and I find the people involved in this need to be held more accountable than a regular citizen. They are teachers and school administrators. It is their JOB to teach kids NOT to cheat.

I certainly see things in regards to school closings and urban problems are magnified under these types of things. I just cannot give these people, and others that might follow, a green light. It is apparent that something needs to be changed. It is also apparent that these teachers and administrators are exhibiting a bad example of where our education system is at. They made a big mistake. They hoped to get away with it. What part of that is different from a student that cheats? Cheating success = short term reward.
 
deafskeptic said:
I keep forgetting the meaning of that word.
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Means black and white, right and wrong, good and bad judgement made about everything with a failure to consider the mitigating circumstances. Life just doesn't work out in a dichotomous way.
 
saywhatkid said:
I got that, but I am looking at who cheated. You find justification based on job pressures, and I find the people involved in this need to be held more accountable than a regular citizen. They are teachers and school administrators. It is their JOB to teach kids NOT to cheat.

I certainly see things in regards to school closings and urban problems are magnified under these types of things. I just cannot give these people, and others that might follow, a green light. It is apparent that something needs to be changed. It is also apparent that these teachers and administrators are exhibiting a bad example of where our education system is at. They made a big mistake. They hoped to get away with it. What part of that is different from a student that cheats? Cheating success = short term reward.
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It is their job to educate children. Thanks to NCLB, the fundamental nature of their job can be taken away.
 
jillio said:
Means black and white, right and wrong, good and bad judgement made about everything with a failure to consider the mitigating circumstances. Life just doesn't work out in a dichotomous way.
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:ty:
 
jillio said:
It is their job to educate children. Thanks to NCLB, the fundamental nature of their job can be taken away.
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What did everyone involved (teachers, students, parents, administrators, citizens, taxpayers) learn from this? :hmm:
 
jillio said:
"I meant to say..." is a sure sign of backpedaling after you have been busted.:laugh2:
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Are you saying I'm lying? I clarified what I meant because I didn't communicate it clearly the first time. That's pretty low.

jillio said:
No, you are dichotomous.:laugh2: Through and through. Maybe it's developmental. Have you hit 25-26 yet?
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This is just too low. I'm going to keep this one private. Check your PM in a few minutes.
 
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