Airplane Crash today and is Missing

gonna have to agree to disagree
 
LoveBlue said:
Some people deal with tragedy with humor. Nothing wrong with that if it's how they deal with tragedy. We each have our own way. Yes, I've been known to joke about bad situations, including after my husband's death.

Yes, those of us who do use humor to deal with tragedy should consider the feelings of others. But on a forum this size, you can't please everyone.
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That might apply to those directly involved--that doesn't apply to any posters here. No one here (as far as I know) had any loved ones on that flight.
 
Jiro said:
from what I've learned, (correct me if I'm wrong) ELF is pretty much one-way transmission and it is used to inform a sub to come up to surface for transmissions. the technology involved for this is very costly and the size of it is quite large. pinging is the only most effective and practical solution in this case to find a black box where a plane has sunk into ocean
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If you are referring to the black box pinging, yes. Not from an outside vessel.

I used to use a hand-held unit (we called a "pinger" unofficially) that I placed just over the side of a small boat and wore a headset. I could hear the pinging inside a "dummy mine" for a minesweeper and EOD divers to practice on. I could hear it easily the length of about 5 football fields on the bottom of the ocean.

Ships have a harder time than submarines to "hear" sounds underwater.
 
IF this plane disappearance turns out to be part of a well-planned terrorist plot, what are the implications? More plane hijackings? Then what?
 
TinCanSailor said:
If you are referring to the black box pinging, yes. Not from an outside vessel.

I used to use a hand-held unit (we called a "pinger" unofficially) that I placed just over the side of a small boat and wore a headset. I could hear the pinging inside a "dummy mine" for a minesweeper and EOD divers to practice on. I could hear it easily the length of about 5 football fields on the bottom of the ocean.

Ships have a harder time than submarines to "hear" sounds underwater.
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yes - only sub has to look for a black box like they did for Air France Flight 447
 
Reba said:
IF this plane disappearance turns out to be part of a well-planned terrorist plot, what are the implications? More plane hijackings? Then what?
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A revival of Keystome Kops shows?
 
Grummer said:
hijacked....is conclusive...not longer a theory...

Malaysia PM: Plane's disappearance deliberate - Story - World - 3 News
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no. it's not a conclusive statement. it's what they strongly believe and they're going to investigate based on that assumption.

it's very important to establish a specific parameter when investigating. The American government were operating on assumption that the plane may be hijacked while others were operating on assumption that the plane simply crashed due to mechanical/electrical/etc. failure. That "hijacking" parameter completely changed the whole course of S&R operation. The Malaysian government seems to be convinced with the American's analysis.

but at this point now... the Malaysian government is completely incompetent and unreliable with all these conflicting reports and it's pretty obvious that different government officials and generals are trying to avoid public embarrassment and blaming.
 
Reba said:
Why? Probably because they weren't all that valuable as assets as you seem to think. Also, they aren't the royal family, so they aren't the only scientists around. Companies do it all the time to save money.

High profile and valuable asset aren't interchangeable terms.
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They are when it is used by the enemy. I am sure they were not after any royal family, and I never even suggested they were the only scientists around. They work for a specific employer and that employer makes electronic weapons for the United States Government.

Each one of those technicians were considered experts in the field of EW.

that is considered a high profile target by the enemy.


So, split hairs all you want to .. but that was what I meant by my original question.

I had also "guessed" that this flight was hijacked when everyone else was claiming it crashed. I didn't "know" it was hijacked, I just read up on all the available data and it appeared obvious to me that it was a Hijack. Now, it is also my "guess" that the motivation for the hijacking was to kidnap those 20 EW specialists. I don't "know" that this is the motivation .. it is just a guess.

Why not kidnap them some other way? Because it would be harder to get them out of the country to a location where they could be interrogated maybe?

Just remember, it was a scientific discovery that led the US to a world power after WWII. It seems someone wants to shift the balance of power .. those "signs" to me, anyways, are obvious too.
 
While I will readily admit that my "guesses" are far-fetched .... why would stealing a 777 and kidnapping EW specialists be the most prominent thing on my mind?

A 777 can take off from any 3rd world country and have a fake flight itinerary and passenger manifest. Who would be capable of doing that? An EW specialist. A nuclear warhead could be placed on the plane and headed to Chicago, NYC, DC, LA, Atlanta ...

far fetched yes ...
 
Steinhauer said:
They are when it is used by the enemy. I am sure they were not after any royal family, and I never even suggested they were the only scientists around. They work for a specific employer and that employer makes electronic weapons for the United States Government.

Each one of those technicians were considered experts in the field of EW.

that is considered a high profile target by the enemy.


So, split hairs all you want to .. but that was what I meant by my original question.
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I'm not splitting hairs--I'm being accurate. Someone who is "high profile" is someone who is conspicuous, such as a celebrity. I don't believe any of those 20 were well-known conspicuous celebrities. That is, when they went thru the airport, I doubt people stared and pointed at them, bothered them for photos and autographs, or dodged paparazzi pursuing them.

They might be valuable within their own field but that doesn't make them high profile. Many valuable people purposely stay low profile.

If that group was the intended target, and this complicated plan of hijacking was the means, how did the hijackers know far enough in advance which flight they should attack? Just curious.

How do you know which technical projects these particular guys were working on? Wouldn't that be classified?

Also, if they were working on sensitive defense projects, why was the company sending them to work in China?

I had also "guessed" that this flight was hijacked when everyone else was claiming it crashed.
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"Everyone?" That's not what I observed. I saw the suspicions about hijacking and/or bombing or suicide pop up almost immediately.

I didn't "know" it was hijacked, I just read up on all the available data and it appeared obvious to me that it was a Hijack.
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The problem with that is there wasn't any reliable data available.

Now, it is also my "guess" that the motivation for the hijacking was to kidnap those 20 EW specialists. I don't "know" that this is the motivation .. it is just a guess.
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Fair enough. One guess is as good as another.
 
Steinhauer said:
While I will readily admit that my "guesses" are far-fetched .... why would stealing a 777 and kidnapping EW specialists be the most prominent thing on my mind?
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I don't know; because you thrive on conspiracies? :dunno:
 
Reba said:
I don't know; because you thrive on conspiracies? :dunno:
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maybe I like solving mysteries? :dunno:

there are people like that you know ...

And to be "accurate' a "high profile target" is not always a celebrity being followed by paparazzi.

"Everyone?" That's not what I observed. I saw the suspicions about hijacking and/or bombing or suicide pop up almost immediately.
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I specifically said it was hijacked and did not crash

I did not say aliens swallowed it up by using the mothership, nor did I say a bubblegum farting unicorn riding a rainbow caused the crash .. which would have accurately been called a "conspiracy theory"
 
whatdidyousay! said:
I was just going to post this link too. It's good to see someone feel the same way I do about this.
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There are a lot of family and friends in anguish right now. :(

I don't feel that they're getting enough support from authorities.
 
Reba said:
There are a lot of family and friends in anguish right now. :(

I don't feel that they're getting enough support from authorities.
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The Malaysia authorities finally checked out the pilots house. A whole week later they do this . I kept thinking when the HELL are is the crew houses going to checked out. The pilot had a flight simulator and that is being checked out to just what he was doing on it. The plane had to been preprogram to had made that left turn. Someone had to know to do that .
I know , I saw some of families on the news and it break your heart seeing the pain they're in.
 
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