Airplane Crash today and is Missing

This has got to be a major embarrassment for the Chinese. I hope everyone landed somewhere, if it was terrorist related, and are at least safe...but it's not looking good.
 
Reba said:
Yes, but they usually want technical stuff (documents, devices, equipment), not people. They have their own scientists and engineers. They use the spies to get the stuff.
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Perhaps they couldn't pass up an opportunity to kidnap 20 electronic warfare specialists who just so happened to be on the same plane which just so happened to be headed to China?

Sounds far fetched, I know. But knowledge is "stuff".

What were they doing heading to China? Why weren't they simply questioned when the plane landed?

Anyways, my initial question has been answered. There were high profile passengers on board.
 
Steinhauer said:
. . . Anyways, my initial question has been answered. There were high profile passengers on board.
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Who? "High profile" means someone who is conspicuous and well-known. I haven't heard of any passengers being described that way.
 
Steinhauer said:
Perhaps they couldn't pass up an opportunity to kidnap 20 electronic warfare specialists who just so happened to be on the same plane which just so happened to be headed to China?

Sounds far fetched, I know. But knowledge is "stuff".

What were they doing heading to China? Why weren't they simply questioned when the plane landed?

Anyways, my initial question has been answered. There were high profile passengers on board.
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would China even risk an act of war from several nations? I find it quite comical that you're all worked up and you believe it that much.
 
Steinhauer said:
Perhaps they couldn't pass up an opportunity to kidnap 20 electronic warfare specialists who just so happened to be on the same plane which just so happened to be headed to China?

Sounds far fetched, I know. But knowledge is "stuff".

What were they doing heading to China? Why weren't they simply questioned when the plane landed?

Anyways, my initial question has been answered. There were high profile passengers on board.
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Source for there being "20 electronic warfare specialists" on the flight?
 
Jiro said:
would China even risk an act of war from several nations? I find it quite comical that you're all worked up and you believe it that much.
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Oh yes, he's silly.

I don't follow Stein's post, thorough.
 
whatdidyousay! said:
I agree, is been a week now and the poor families are no closer in knowing what happen to their loves one. This so horrible , I hope they'll get some answers soon. You're really have to feel for them :(
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Yes, those poor families. :( They don't know if their loved ones are alive (and suffering) or dead. It's a horrible experience for them. I can't imagine it.
 
Jiro said:
wireless/radio transmission is pretty much useless in underwater. that's why it pings instead. heck.... look at whales and dolphins... even used sonar method... as the result of probably 250,000,000 years of evolution....

no amount of money can come up with wireless/radio technology that would work in underwater at this moment unless an alien has shared its technology with us....
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Submarines have had "Gertrude" for many, many years. A submarine can talk to another submarine or submarine to ships nearby. A submarine can also talk to divers. The ships I was on could communicate with a submarine. It is wireless.

The US Navy developed ELF (U.S. Navy's Seafarer program). Their wireless signals come from two places, one in WI and the other in MI. They can communicate with U.S. submarines anywhere (submerged).

Lastly, pay me for revealing the "technology". :)

Submarines use passive sonar to "listen" for sounds like a pinging box, whales, dolphins, ship noises, other submarines. They rarely use active (pinging) sonar unless they are about to do you in.
 
Jiro said:
would China even risk an act of war from several nations? I find it quite comical that you're all worked up and you believe it that much.
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They certainly did in the Aries III incident
 
Reba said:
Yes, those poor families. :( They don't know if their loved ones are alive (and suffering) or dead. It's a horrible experience for them. I can't imagine it.
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Me either , I can't began to imagine what they're going through. Think of the poor children not knowing where their parents are.
 
Jiro/Stein, remember the mods said bicker outside of this forum. Nothing new, this thread as other threads will shut down because of you both. Chill down, man.
 
CrazyPaul said:
Jiro/Stein, remember the mods said bicker outside of this forum. Nothing new, this thread as other threads will shut down because of you both. Chill down, man.
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I haven't been bickering, what are you on about?
 
TinCanSailor said:
Submarines have had "Gertrude" for many, many years. A submarine can talk to another submarine or submarine to ships nearby. A submarine can also talk to divers. The ships I was on could communicate with a submarine. It is wireless.
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yea I know there is a radio/wireless frequency to communicate underwater but it only works at short distance which is pretty much useless in this case.

TinCanSailor said:
The US Navy developed ELF (U.S. Navy's Seafarer program). Their wireless signals come from two places, one in WI and the other in MI. They can communicate with U.S. submarines anywhere (submerged).

Lastly, pay me for revealing the "technology". :)
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there's no radio/wireless communication technology that would work underwater far enough for rescuers to detect it from above.... unless DARPA or military have already made a prototype...

from what I've learned, (correct me if I'm wrong) ELF is pretty much one-way transmission and it is used to inform a sub to come up to surface for transmissions. the technology involved for this is very costly and the size of it is quite large.

TinCanSailor said:
Submarines use passive sonar to "listen" for sounds like a pinging box, whales, dolphins, ship noises, other submarines. They rarely use active (pinging) sonar unless they are about to do you in.
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pinging is the only most effective and practical solution in this case to find a black box where a plane has sunk into ocean
 
Steinhauer said:
I haven't been bickering, what are you on about?
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Oh really? What's up with other threads that were closed after the mods had enough of you both? I saw them with my own eyes and you don't know what I am talking about. :hmm: Everybody knows. Anyway, move on.
 
Steinhauer said:
They certainly did in the Aries III incident
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I was having a trouble trying to find what you're talking about. At first, I thought you were talking about a rocket. found nothing.

but you said something about Chinese dismantling it so that reminds me of a reconnaissance plane that collided with Chinese fighter jet and had to land in China.

and yep... here it is - Lockheed EP-3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

it's Aries II, not III
 
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