Advice please: son doesn't want to wear HAs

[deafdyke]

I know...
What you might not realize is that for deaf children who are implanted early in life this is not so much the case...
I apologize for the confusion.. You have in mind deaf people that have HA. I have in mind deaf children that have CI. Totally different group.. hearing wise..

WTF? Um no. CI kids are VERY much functionally HOH. Cloggy, we're NOT talking about the difference between a Clarke kid in the 50's who could hear something like 50% of speech with their body worn hearing aid, and a CI.
A lot of deaf kids can have really good speech perception with hearing aids...not to mention HOH kids....CIs make dhh kids functionally hoh.

 

[Cloggy]

WTF? Um no. CI kids are VERY much functionally HOH. Cloggy, we're NOT talking about the difference between a Clarke kid in the 50's who could hear something like 50% of speech with their body worn hearing aid, and a CI.
A lot of deaf kids can have really good speech perception with hearing aids...not to mention HOH kids....CIs make dhh kids functionally hoh.

Sure

 

[faire_jour]

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Hearing aids and CIs make deaf/HOH people hearing. You heard it here first.

LMAO!!!!

And yes... !!!

they are not hearing, they are deaf people who hear. Ask daredevil and lissa and alicia and bbaseballboy and so many others if it is really impossible for deaf people to hear. Just because you don't doesn't mean they can't.

 

[faire_jour]

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I know...
What you might not realize is that for deaf children who are implanted early in life this is not so much the case...
I apologize for the confusion.. You have in mind deaf people that have HA. I have in mind deaf children that have CI. Totally different group.. hearing wise..

WTF? Um no. CI kids are VERY much functionally HOH. Cloggy, we're NOT talking about the difference between a Clarke kid in the 50's who could hear something like 50% of speech with their body worn hearing aid, and a CI.
A lot of deaf kids can have really good speech perception with hearing aids...not to mention HOH kids....CIs make dhh kids functionally hoh.

but don't you see all the posts right here saying we are wrong? They are claiming we are crazy for saying that deaf kids can hear.

 

[Beowulf]

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they are not hearing, they are deaf people who hear. Ask daredevil and lissa and alicia and bbaseballboy and so many others if it is really impossible for deaf people to hear. Just because you don't doesn't mean they can't.

Dang! What a revelation! I can try to make my ass chew gum, so does that mean I can make it talk?

 

[deafskeptic]

How many of our stories have to be told before hearing people really fully understand the consequences of being in a very restrictive educational environment?

I'm having one of my more cynical moments and I'll say never. :P

 

[sallylou]

Beowulf, you made me spit diet soda.

 

[Bottesini]

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but don't you see all the posts right here saying we are wrong? They are claiming we are crazy for saying that deaf kids can hear.

I have to join all those posters. Wow!

 

[Beowulf]

Beowulf, you made me spit diet soda.

Anything to help you drink less of that stuff.

 

[deafbajagal]

How many of our stories have to be told before hearing people really fully understand the consequences of being in a very restrictive educational environment?

Some hearing people can hear but they are deaf.

 

[jillio]

I know...
What you might not realize is that for deaf children who are implanted early in life this is not so much the case...
I apologize for the confusion.. You have in mind deaf people that have HA. I have in mind deaf children that have CI. Totally different group.. hearing wise..

Age of implantation has nothing to do with achieved levels of hearing via the CI. Unless a child with a CI hears the same way a hearing child would, they are functionally HOH. I have yet to hear of an implantee, early childhood or otherwise, who has been provided with hearing in all of the same ranges as a hearing person.

That the CI will make the individual hear as a hearing person does is a myth that does more to complicate the deaf CI users ability to gain proper accommodation, particularly academically that it does to explain how a CI truly functions and the limitations that a child who uses a CI still faces.

Nor can we ignore the research on the social and psychological findings of school aged kids and adolescents who use a CI in the academic setting.

 

[jillio]

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they are not hearing, they are deaf people who hear. Ask daredevil and lissa and alicia and bbaseballboy and so many others if it is really impossible for deaf people to hear. Just because you don't doesn't mean they can't.

People who receive benefit from HAs are deaf people who hear...as long as their HAs are functioning and being used...same as a CI.

That type of phrasing is just as destructive as the myth that Cloggy was propogating in his post.

 

[jillio]

Some hearing people can hear but they are deaf.

They seem to be attracted to AD, too.

 

[Cloggy]

Age of implantation has nothing to do with achieved levels of hearing via the CI.

Really.. well.. I understand that you stay away from all the research that has proven the exact opposite you are saying...

Unless a child with a CI hears the same way a hearing child would, they are functionally HOH. I have yet to hear of an implantee, early childhood or otherwise, who has been provided with hearing in all of the same ranges as a hearing person.

And who ever said a deaf child with CI hears like a hearing person?? You keep saying that... Only you... no parent of a child with CI would say that... :roll:

That the CI will make the individual hear as a hearing person does is a myth that does more to complicate the deaf CI users ability to gain proper accommodation, particularly academically that it does to explain how a CI truly functions and the limitations that a child who uses a CI still faces.

Again.... you spreading myths.... you can stop now...
And explainng how CI works.. Wasn't it you that said that it bypasses the cochlea... I hope you know by now that it is inserted in the cochlea and bypasses the haircells.....it activates the nerve directly...

Nor can we ignore the research on the social and psychological findings of school aged kids and adolescents who use a CI in the academic setting.

Who's ignoring that..?? I would love to present it, but I fear the thread would be removed....
Just like the interesting thread regarding Deaf parents that choose Ci for their deaf children...

 

[Cloggy]

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but don't you see all the posts right here saying we are wrong? They are claiming we are crazy for saying that deaf kids can hear.

A lie is a lie, even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if no-one believes it...

“In messageboards, a lie unanswered becomes truth within 24 hours.”


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Norman O. Brown (1913-2002)

 

[Beowulf]

Again.... you spreading myths.... you can stop now...
And explainng how CI works.. Wasn't it you that said that it bypasses the cochlea... I hope you know by now that it is inserted in the cochlea and bypasses the haircells.....it activates the nerve directly...

Interesting. And..? Are you saying the CI person hears exactly as a hearing person does? How in the world would they know, anyway?

 

[Daredevel7]

Why don't we agree that some deaf people CAN hear SOME things and maybe even understand SOME things?

But why even bother saying that deaf people can hear? What is the purpose of this? So that people can talk to us behind our backs? "I've been told that some kids, especially with a CI, CAN hear, so why don't we just treat them like a hearing person"?

Kinda like saying "She can add and subtract, so she can do math. Let's tell everyone that she can do math, so that everyone can treat her like a mathematician."

See my point?

 

[Cloggy]

Interesting. And..? Are you saying the CI person hears exactly as a hearing person does? How in the world would they know, anyway?

No..:roll:
First Jillio, now you. Where do you guys get that nonsense... Or better said, why do you guys keep up the myth that people think that..??

 

[Bottesini]

No..:roll:
First Jillio, now you. Where do you guys get that nonsense... Or better said, why do you guys keep up the myth that people think that..??

See post #284. Then read what people like Daredevel are saying.

 

[Cloggy]

Why don't we agree that some deaf people CAN hear SOME things and maybe even understand SOME things?

But why even bother saying that deaf people can hear? What is the purpose of this? So that people can talk to us behind our backs? "I've been told that some kids, especially with a CI, CAN hear, so why don't we just treat them like a hearing person"?

Kinda like saying "She can add and subtract, so she can do math. Let's tell everyone that she can do math, so that everyone can treat her like a mathematician."

See my point?

Excellent point, and great example...
It's just that parents don't say this... I only hear it on the message board.