Advice please: son doesn't want to wear HAs

rivenoak said:
Just a quick check-in...

Both HA are in working order. Oticon sent a new one, so I don't know if the right one had something wrong or not, but they kept it.

It's an FM+mic program.

Audi is leaving the practice; yesterday was her last day. :sad: Not sure if we'll be able to follow her or not. I know we would all like to keep working together; she seems to enjoy the challenge of DS. She's going to call me one night so we can talk about some of the other questions I had.

DS said yesterday he doesn't like wearing the right HA because it's too noisy. So, audi & I talked, then DH and I talked last night, and the kiddo can wear or not wear whatever he wants.

If he wants to wear one HA, great; if he wants to wear two, great; if he wants
to wear the FM, great; if he doesn't, great. His choice is fine by us. No bribes,
no force.
I'll be in contact w/ teacher & TOD today to advise.
More later...
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I'm glad you guys have figured out a solution. It's important to hear what our kids are saying, and accommodate their needs. It sounds like over time he will figure out what works best for him as an individual.
 
I'm glad Oticon sent another one! their people are very nice and repairs my Oticon Gaias a couple of times back when I was in 6-7th grade.
 
If he is going to wear one hearing aid, you might want to experiment with an FM in the classroom. I do know that kids with unilateral losses may like FM usage . But then again, I wonder if it's too early. FM seems to work best in a classroom sitution. Don't force it.....but experiment and see.
 
deafbajagal said:
Hearing kids, especially those with attention deficit disorders often benefit from soundfield systems. Personally, I rather have a soundfield system instead of personal FM systems if I were to use it.
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Yes, there was an article in the NY Times magazine awhile back about using soundfield with hearing kids, as well as FM with ADD kids.
 
Cloggy said:
Sure, a lot at school is learned outside the classroom. Interactions with peers, adults etc... but inside the classroom..
I cannot see how that number could be even close.. It would mean they learn close to nothing at school....

Can you explain where that number comes from.... I must be missing something....
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Even inside the classroom, the bulk of learning is incidental. Especially in younger children.
 
jillio said:
Even inside the classroom, the bulk of learning is incidental. Especially in younger children.
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Yes....and please cite this, so that Cloggy can read it, and can't go " Oh, it's just a thing deaf ed activists are yammering about and means nothing." I think he's truely interested and isn't ummmmm certain infamous posters...
 
Cloggy said:
I cannot see how that number could be even close.. It would mean they learn close to nothing at school....

Can you explain where that number comes from.... I must be missing something....
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you just answered your own question. Here's a hint - deaf kids can't hear. therefore in oral or mainstreamed classrooms, they are not hearing what the teacher or what the students are saying...so how do you think they learned?

Incidental learning.
 
Maybe your child needs stronger HA and keep it at lower volume so it won't
beep?

Fuzzy
 
DeafCaroline said:
Mic amplified teacher's voice only but not very practical in university classroom settings where group discussions are very common.

Mic + background does pick up students' voices but this setting picks up ALL noises and amplify them so the students' voices would be mixed in with pens clattering, books dropping on desks, students talking amongst themselves, sounds of shoes on hard floors, etc etc. Its very distracting and overall, really irritating and exhausting to try to constantly separate the voices from other noises.
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I used an fm system at uni and this is a very accurate description of how it was.
 
deafdyke said:
Yes....and please cite this, so that Cloggy can read it, and can't go " Oh, it's just a thing deaf ed activists are yammering about and means nothing." I think he's truely interested and isn't ummmmm certain infamous posters...
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He'd say that no matter how many citations I offered. He has done it in the past, and I see nothing that would indicate he has changed his approach in the least.
 
DeafCaroline said:
you just answered your own question. Here's a hint - deaf kids can't hear. therefore in oral or mainstreamed classrooms, they are not hearing what the teacher or what the students are saying...so how do you think they learned?

Incidental learning.
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And in addition, even just hoh kids are not getting 100% of what the teacher is saying. Heck, even unileral hoh kids may need accomodnations like FMs etc!
 
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DeafCaroline said:
Cloggy said:
I cannot see how that number could be even close.. It would mean they learn close to nothing at school....

Can you explain where that number comes from.... I must be missing something....
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you just answered your own question. Here's a hint - deaf kids can't hear. therefore in oral or mainstreamed classrooms, they are not hearing what the teacher or what the students are saying...so how do you think they learned?

Incidental learning.
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except that most deaf kids (especially those with CIs) can absolutely hear and understand their teachers and peers.
 
faire_jour said:
except that most deaf kids (especially those with CIs) can absolutely hear and understand their teachers and peers.
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I can imagine that 99% of deaf children without HA or CI will not understand a teacher that speaks without signing...
What % is that of "children in school"???... 0.001% ?
 
Cloggy said:
I can imagine that 99% of deaf children without HA or CI will not understand a teacher that speaks without signing...
What % is that of "children in school"???... 0.001% ?
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you think deaf kids who have hearing aids hear and understand their teachers and peers? I don't know much about CI kids in oral or mainstream but I can attest that this belief that deaf kids with HAs can follow in hearing classrooms is F.A.L.S.E.

Where are you getting your information from? Because i can tell it's not from us deaf people.
 
DeafCaroline said:
you think deaf kids who have hearing aids hear and understand their teachers and peers? I don't know much about CI kids in oral or mainstream but I can attest that this belief that deaf kids with HAs can follow in hearing classrooms is F.A.L.S.E.

Where are you getting your information from? Because i can tell it's not from us deaf people.
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If a child doesn't understand the teacher... and the parent knows about it... isn't it time to do something about it?
We made sure Lotte has all the means to understand the teacher.. And we instructed / recommended to the teacher that he/she tests if Lotte understood him/her...

"... Because i can tell it's not from us deaf people." I would love to get the info from you deaf people...
Show me the research where it says that 99% of deaf children do not learn from the teacher but learn incidental....

This article/research doesn't show that 99% of deaf children is learning incidental...
 
Cloggy said:
If a child doesn't understand the teacher... and the parent knows about it... isn't it time to do something about it?
We made sure Lotte has all the means to understand the teacher.. And we instructed / recommended to the teacher that he/she tests if Lotte understood him/her...

"... Because i can tell it's not from us deaf people." I would love to get the info from you deaf people...
Show me the research where it says that 99% of deaf children do not learn from the teacher but learn incidental....
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deafdyke said "90%" - not sure where you got 99% from.

You registered here at AD in 2005 - in six years you've never read any of the stories deaf people told of their growing up oral or mainstreamed?

I've looked at the pdf - it made no distinction on how mainstreamed deaf kids acquired their education exactly. I skipped a grade (grade 5) and excelled particularly in English, grammar and Math. Was exempted from spelling class for both grade 7 and 8. Was in advanced English classes in high school. My proficiency in Math pretty much leveled off around grade 10. Hadn't a single clue what any of the teachers were saying nor my classmates from kindergarten to grade 13. That's 14 years of being completely clueless within confines of classrooms. Learned it all from reading a ton of books and from reading textbooks. Incidental learning. I could have gotten the same education had I just stayed home and read.

According to your pdf, it would have said I excelled learning from teachers in mainstream settings. F.A.L.S.E.
 
DeafCaroline said:
deafdyke said "90%" - not sure where you got 99% from.
You registered here at AD in 2005 - in six years you've never read any of the stories deaf people told of their growing up oral or mainstreamed?
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Me neither.. Sorry.. 90%
Excellent info. Thanks... But it sounds as if it wasn't "incidental" but that you worked hard for it..

Yes, plenty of stories.... Also plenty of stories where people had no problem in school....


Time for some research I guess..
 
Cloggy said:
If a child doesn't understand the teacher... and the parent knows about it... isn't it time to do something about it?
We made sure Lotte has all the means to understand the teacher.. And we instructed / recommended to the teacher that he/she tests if Lotte understood him/her...

"... Because i can tell it's not from us deaf people." I would love to get the info from you deaf people...
Show me the research where it says that 99% of deaf children do not learn from the teacher but learn incidental....

This article/research doesn't show that 99% of deaf children is learning incidental...
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This makes me think back to my high school days. I was the only deafie in the whole school, and this was before interpreters were available. It was a miserable time and I know I still bear psychological scars from it. What could my parents or teachers do to change it? It turns out, upon reflection, not a hell of a lot. I had to learn on my own, since everyone may as well could have been speaking an unknown alien language, and I survived. That is all I can say, I survived. I sure hope it is far different today. :hmm:
 
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